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It's OK to not like some cartoonists. Independent catch-up: Monday:  Tuesday:  Today:   Daily Mail: Tuesday: "The Queen is due to read the annual speech on Wednesday."  quote:“Do I detect a tiny hint of protest planned for tomorrow’s speech, dear?” Today: "The Queen’s speech will be given today."  quote:“I’m sure that’s Helen Mirren.” Express:  Classic.
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Walkin' past my own house, what's in the newz today? I'd actually like to see a roundup of other cartoons in the smaller/'other' papers, just for a snapshot. This is about the only place I really see them, are there any unsung geniuses in the wider press?
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May 8, 2013 00:41
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Cloud Potato posted:Express: William Hague looks like he's growing a third eye.
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May 8, 2013 01:02
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Guardian:  Two Whole Oiks!!  Steve Bell on Lord Lawson's intervention over Europe. Lawson has become the most senior figure in the Conservative party to call for Britain to leave the EU. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/07/cameron-defends-eu-plans-nigel-lawson quote:Cameron defends EU plans after Nigel Lawson calls for UK to leave baka kaba posted:Walkin' past my own house, what's in the newz today? Zegnar posted:The FT's editorial cartoons - pretty good! No labels here. And also stuff like Nick Hayes (from the past):  Iain Green for the Scotsman (today):  and one from the past to give an idea.  I'll get more indepth when I got abit more spare time (birthday today, need sleep got to get up early) also thanks Cloud Potato for keeping it going! 
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May 8, 2013 03:05
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Forums Terrorist posted:I'm amused that the two people bitching about Collins are American. Maybe they don't think it's political because it isn't smothered in labels and cross-hatching? I never said it wasn't political, though it often isn't, I said it was boring and unfunny. Cliff Racer fucked around with this message at 03:30 on May 8, 2013 |
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May 8, 2013 03:23
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Fluo posted:I'll get more indepth when I got abit more spare time (birthday today, need sleep got to get up early) also thanks Cloud Potato for keeping it going! Happy birthday Fluo, and thanks for keeping the thread going. 
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May 8, 2013 03:48
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GorfZaplen posted:William Hague looks like he's growing a third eye. That's William Hague!? I thought it was Yoda...
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May 8, 2013 07:29
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It's totally William Hague. It's such a competent William Hague that for the life of me I cannot understand why he draws Cameron as a cross between the Duke of Windsor and Prince Harry.
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May 8, 2013 07:53
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Why is Cameron always hanging out with William Hague anyway? Also bloody Americans coming in here, saying poo poo about our cartoons. Go back to your own thread and look at your own cartoons.
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May 8, 2013 09:53
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Bell, that's a reasonably unfortunate thing to be calling him 
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May 8, 2013 10:05
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Urban Dictionary? Really? And even giving UD the credit it does not deserve, Nigel's as white as anything and drawn as a small pig, I'm sure people can figure it out.
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May 8, 2013 10:06
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Mr. Squishy posted:Urban Dictionary? Really? It's not exactly a source you'd use in a paper admittedly but you'd do well not to handwave away reasonable evidence that it's a used slur - it just reflects poorly on you. It's obviously not the intention but by now Bell has a little bit of a record of accidentally being somewhat racist. It's unlikely ever to be malicious, he's just a bit of a careless idiot.
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May 8, 2013 10:19
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what the gently caress, mate Are we expecting him to be fully fluent in obscure racist yank slang? This is about as racist as his caricature of Gideon, ffs
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May 8, 2013 11:19
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V. Illych L. posted:what the gently caress, mate I'm not exactly "down with the US kids" but I'd heard of it so I guess it isn't that obscure?  Again, I'll point out that I'm not ascribing malice to him. I'm not sure the guy is capable of it.
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May 8, 2013 11:23
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He should've written it Nigelet since Nigel is pronounced /ˈnaɪdʒəl/ and the joke is easier to get if you're trying to write /ˈnaɪdʒlɛt/ rather than /'nɪglɛt/ which is close enough to the N word that people wonder if it's a slur (and therefore distract them from the cartoon) if they're not sure.
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May 8, 2013 13:42
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Lord of the Llamas posted:He should've written it Nigelet since Nigel is pronounced /ˈnaɪdʒəl/ and the joke is easier to get if you're trying to write /ˈnaɪdʒlɛt/ rather than /'nɪglɛt/ which is close enough to the N word that people wonder if it's a slur (and therefore distract them from the cartoon) even if they're not sure.
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May 8, 2013 13:43
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Kegluneq posted:'Nigelet' doesn't really read or scan nearly as well for 'Piglet' though, which would be the source of the pun. Nigel-let is to Pig-let as Nigel is to Pig? No one would call a bloke called Nigel "Nig" (as in rhymes with pig) as a nickname so I don't see how you can conclude Niglet makes more sense as a pun.
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May 8, 2013 13:48
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Nigel-let is to Pig-let as Nigel is to Pig?
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May 8, 2013 14:15
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It's a pretty weak-rear end pun.
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May 8, 2013 14:27
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mfcrocker posted:I'm not exactly "down with the US kids" but I'd heard of it so I guess it isn't that obscure? I used to listen to the Howard Stern radio show, and he had a guy from the KKK on pretty frequently. That's the only place I've heard the term, and I'd like to think it's not very widely known in the US. (I am a foolish optimist in some ways.) Also, I am an American in favor of Stephen Collins. 
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May 8, 2013 14:31
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Kegluneq posted:Agreed in principle, but "Niglet" is more clearly derivative of Piglet than 'Nigelet" is. At the expense that it's less clearly a derivative of Nigel, and idiots like us with nothing better to do are arguing about it on the internet. If he had written Nigelet I doubt this would've gone past "yeah we can see why he didn't write Niglet".
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May 8, 2013 15:27
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Gotta admit, it is pretty unfortunate. I thought of that as well but it's obviously not intended.
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May 8, 2013 15:29
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Shades of that Final Fantasy LP where the LPer named one of the characters after a term in Hawaiian that turned out to be 'Paki' without knowing the other context.
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May 8, 2013 16:04
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He named the black mage Paki.
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May 8, 2013 16:10
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Illuyankas posted:Shades of that Final Fantasy LP where the LPer named one of the characters after a term in Hawaiian that turned out to be 'Paki' without knowing the other context. Yeah except, you know, being in English rather than Hawaiian and being very similar to the biggest racial slur going. 
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May 8, 2013 16:16
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Outside of Britain that is far from the biggest slur. Hell, its more obscure than niglet I'd bet.
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May 8, 2013 16:24
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Cliff Racer posted:Outside of Britain that is far from the biggest slur. Hell, its more obscure than niglet I'd bet. Yes hello welcome to the UK Political Cartoons thread where we discuss political cartoons from the UK. You may have to forgive me being a bit UK-centric in this thread about cartoons from the UK.
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May 8, 2013 16:32
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mfcrocker posted:Yes hello welcome to the UK Political Cartoons thread where we discuss political cartoons from the UK. You may have to forgive me being a bit UK-centric in this thread about cartoons from the UK. Except we are discussing a person's (assumably not from the UK) decision in another thread. Unless you were discussing Bell's decision to call him Niglet instead of that LPer's discison to call whoever that was Paki.
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May 8, 2013 16:35
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Cliff Racer posted:Except we are discussing a person's (assumably not from the UK) decision in another thread. Unless you were discussing Bell's decision to call him Niglet instead of that LPer's discison to call whoever that was Paki. Yes, I was saying that it's daft as gently caress to compare a Hawaiian slur to a homophonic English slur. You were rather unspecific as to which slur you were on about so I fairly reasonably presumed you meant Bell's as the more relevant to the subject at hand. E: I probably missed a comma too 
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May 8, 2013 16:39
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mfcrocker posted:Yes hello welcome to the UK Political Cartoons thread where we discuss political cartoons from the UK. You may have to forgive me being a bit UK-centric in this thread about cartoons from the UK.
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May 8, 2013 16:42
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mfcrocker posted:Yes, I was saying that it's daft as gently caress to compare a Hawaiian slur to a homophonic English slur. Paki is not a Hawaiian slur, its an English one. In Hawaiian it probably just means "fire" or something.
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May 8, 2013 16:45
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R. Mute posted:Yet somehow you're dragging American slurs into this...? Kinda messed up, if you ask me. It's not even a very good pun. :-/
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May 8, 2013 16:46
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Kegluneq posted:Although the specific racist term is obscure, the word it is derived from is absolutely part of British racist culture as well.  ' thing, but he wasn't. He was making a pun on piglet. He - and in fact the majority of people - wouldn't know about the obscure American slur and without knowledge of that slur, you wouldn't make the connection with 'friend of the family' either.
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May 8, 2013 16:51
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Seriously, even if you hadn't heard the slur you can work it the gently caress out: -let suffix = young Niglet = young nig. Jesus loving christ I'm surrounded by liberal assholes. Bell is not above criticism because he's nominally on our side. I'm not being unfair here, I've attributed no malice but handwaving it away as "obscure" is bullshit.
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May 8, 2013 16:57
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mfcrocker perhaps we are the racists for thinking it was a bit close to the mark. Makes you think.
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May 8, 2013 17:11
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I'm not saying Bell's above criticism, I'm saying you're an idiot because you seem to be unable to imagine that a 62 year old man and in fact most of his audience won't make the same mental connections that you would make - especially since everything in the cartoon and everything anyone knows about Bell points in an entirely different direction. In fact, I took a look at the normally horrible (and in this case horrible for other reasons) comment section under that cartoon and it was only mentioned by an American. You're bending over backwards to be offended at something that's not offensive at all. Or are you? I honestly have no idea what you're saying anymore. e: I mean, it's not intended to be used that way. It's not directed at a black person. Everything surrounding it makes it clear that it's a pun on Nigel and piglet. So... what? What's the problem here?
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May 8, 2013 17:15
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mfcrocker posted:Bell is not above criticism because he's nominally on our side. I'm not being unfair here Yes you are, and people who have called you out on this are not doing so because Bell is a sacred cow. The Piglet/Niglet thing sounds/looks like an honest choice and until people pointed it out I for one did not see its link to an obscure US slur. In fact, as you yourself pointed out with the use of the Paki slur, people in the UK would immediately pick up on that one in a UK context. As people have said if you are not cognizant of certain more obscure variants of N* from an American context you might miss it. It is not a wide-spread slur outside of that context. Storm in a tea-cup.
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May 8, 2013 17:15
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I nearly pointed out the niglet thing, but I knew nobody could handle it. It was the same when Bell drew Wendi Deng as an inscrutable Asian swordswoman with buck teeth.
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May 8, 2013 17:18
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mfcrocker posted:Seriously, even if you hadn't heard the slur you can work it the gently caress out: Sorry but the cartoon isn't open to your interpretation of "niglet" at all. Firstly, there are no mentions of Black people, racism, race, whatever and secondly there is a piglet bearing the face of a white man named Nigel. That doesn't mean there is no unfortunate lexical coincidence but it's pretty hard to see considering the context of the cartoon.
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SedanChair posted:I nearly pointed out the niglet thing, but I knew nobody could handle it. It was the same when Bell drew Wendi Deng as an inscrutable Asian swordswoman with buck teeth.
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