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Clearly, this whole issue could have been cleared up by hiring Yaphet Kotto to play Depp's role.
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Wubbles posted:No, dude, it's totally cool - I'm a 1/64th Cherokee. Isn't he like 1/4 or something though? He's certainly a shitload more than 1/64.
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WickedIcon posted:Isn't he like 1/4 or something though? He's certainly a shitload more than 1/64. Well, he guesses, http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/w0012381.html posted:He tells EW.com, "I guess I have some Native American (in me) somewhere down the line. My great grandmother was quite a bit of Native American, she grew up Cherokee or maybe Creek Indian. Makes sense in terms of coming from Kentucky, which is rife with Cherokee and Creek." Deep.
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# ? May 15, 2013 07:55 |
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WickedIcon posted:Isn't he like 1/4 or something though? He's certainly a shitload more than 1/64. Per the innernette, Depp claims that his great-grandmother was a legit Cherokee indian. It doesn't say anything about his other relatives, however. E: f,b
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# ? May 15, 2013 07:56 |
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At any rate, they could get an actual Native American to play the role and it would still be racist.
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# ? May 15, 2013 07:59 |
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:Disney went to a great deal of work showing the film to Cherokee tribes and ensuring they approved it as NOT RACIST. I think if you reach the point where you have to reassure everyone that you showed it to real native americans and they said no it totally wasn't racist you guys, its time for a re-think. I watched the most recent trailer and at least Depp isn't speaking in broken english anymore! I mean he's still a white guy playing a magical ethnic stereotype but still.
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# ? May 15, 2013 09:08 |
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If the Cherokee who watched the movie were fine with it, I wonder if the movie will have that Green Hornet thing going on where Tonto ends up being the super awesome Native guy who does all the cool stuff who the Ranger have to depend on to get things done.
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# ? May 15, 2013 09:23 |
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:So it was like Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder? Are you really this loving dense? You couldn't have picked a worse example than RDJ in Tropic Thunder considering that his whole character was about why it's stupid and offensive to do the thing that you're saying is OK. This isn't about characters being played by people of different races than whatever race the character is traditionally portrayed as. It's about a person literally painting their face and unironically playing the character as a horrible stereotype that is rooted in centuries of bigotry and outright hatred. And the fact that they had to show it to some Cherokee tribe members doesn't actually mean it's fine. It instantly acknowledges that the portrayal is a troubling one that raises issues. And on top of that just because a bunch of guys in one room weren't all that offended doesn't instantly make it acceptable. CPL593H fucked around with this message at 09:44 on May 15, 2013 |
# ? May 15, 2013 09:32 |
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I'm pretty sure this has come up before but since the topic is being discussed again, I don't think they just stuck a random bird on Johnny Depp's head. http://www.manataka.org/page1027.html Probably a terrible link but first I could quickly google and hopefully a starting point if you want to read more about it. edited in a better link.
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# ? May 15, 2013 10:14 |
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The most offensive thing about this movie is that they called it The Lone Ranger but clearly the Lone Ranger himself is taking a back seat to Depp. Just cut the poo poo and call it Tonto.
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# ? May 15, 2013 11:49 |
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Ez posted:The most offensive thing about this movie is that they called it The Lone Ranger but clearly the Lone Ranger himself is taking a back seat to Depp. Just cut the poo poo and call it Tonto. "Come, lets away my native chum! Hi-yo, Silvver!!" "Stupid loving white man"
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# ? May 15, 2013 11:56 |
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mind the walrus posted:Not that it makes it any better but it is obvious by the teaser that he's mimicking the speech patterns of the old Lone Ranger TV show which also seems pretty racist. I guess it's neither here nor there since it hasn't aged very well, but the Lone Ranger series was one of the most progressive programs on TV and radio in its era. From Wikipedia: quote:In every incarnation of the character to date, the Lone Ranger conducts himself by a strict moral code put in place by Striker at the inception of the character. Actors Clayton Moore and Jay Silverheels both took their positions as role models to children very seriously and tried their best to live by this creed. It reads as follows:
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# ? May 15, 2013 12:10 |
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If you can't see anything wrong with Johnny Depp playing the role of a native american, I would like to know your opinion of Mickey Rooney on Breakfast at Tiffany's. I also found it odd that Tonto's name in spanish is "Dumb". That's why on the spanish translations his name is Toro.
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# ? May 15, 2013 12:43 |
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Vincent posted:
Yeah,it makes me feel uncomfortable that they named the Native American "sidekick" with that sort of word. And even more that they didn't decide to at least change it a little. A poster comparition so we don't derail too much:
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# ? May 15, 2013 13:23 |
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CPL593H posted:And on top of that just because a bunch of guys in one room weren't all that offended doesn't instantly make it acceptable. Completely unsubstantiated, but according to my Westerns prof, most Native groups (allegedly), in regards to the Lone Ranger, say they're just happy to be portrayed prominently and positively at all. Approval is not exactly a ringing endorsement because there isn't exactly a high bar for Hollywood to clear.
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# ? May 15, 2013 13:26 |
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I kinda like the remake's poster, but it still doesn't compare to the vampire face from the original one. Actually, the remake's poster reminds me a bit of No Country For Old Men, except more saturated.
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# ? May 15, 2013 13:27 |
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MikeJF posted:None of these bother me, but oddly, (Star Trek Into Darkness spoiler) Benedict Cumberbatch playing Khan after Ricardo Montalbán does bother me. I suppose because ostensibly due to the premise of how the new films relate to the old he's a recast of the same Khan Montalbán played rather than a reboot. Am I missing something here? He's playing an entirely different character.
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# ? May 15, 2013 13:40 |
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Am I missing something here? He's playing an entirely different character. Into Darkness spoilers: Nope, same character. Both Khan, frozen back after the Eugenics wars, well before the split in the timeline between JJTrek and TOS. In Into Darkness he's been awoken earlier than he was in TOS because of a Starfleet Section 31 (black ops) deep space operation to explore and find potential new weapons after Vulcan was destroyed. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:53 on May 15, 2013 |
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Jefferoo posted:For Into Darkness, while not perfect, they changed the story around enough to make Cumberbatch's Khan represent something that makes his casting work thematically, that it arguably would have been more problematic to cast a non-white actor. Khan is a fascist, warmongering foil to Kirk's bravado and thirst for exploration, and is ultimately defeated by Spock and Uhura. Hey hey, unmarked spoiler. Better edit. That said I agree. There are also two more reasons why I don't mind Cumberbatch as Khan so much - one is that specifically casting an Indian as the villain in a Star Trek film may have made the twist easier to figure out, and another is that Cumberbatch's performance is loving brilliant. Still wouldn't have minded a line or two about his appearance having been altered though.
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# ? May 15, 2013 14:09 |
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Jefferoo posted:No, if he plays it not like a minstrel show, it's even more valid. Because then it's even more insulting they didn't cast a non-white actor, and somehow could only trust an established white actor with it. Your concerns are perfectly valid, and I felt the same way for a while, but it looks like Johnny's aware of these issues and is going for a respectful portrayal of Tonto: http://filmtrailers.net/2013/03/johnny-depp
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Jefferoo posted:GIANT loving UNTAGGED STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS SPOILER Thanks for ruining that on release day, you son of a bitch. Aatrek fucked around with this message at 15:30 on May 15, 2013 |
# ? May 15, 2013 14:58 |
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I wished I never hovered over that now. Jesus gently caress.
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# ? May 15, 2013 15:26 |
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Is it too late to rewrite the movie so Tonto actually is a white guy pretending to be Native? I would watch that.
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# ? May 15, 2013 15:40 |
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Desperado Bones posted:A poster comparition so we don't derail too much: It's too late for that, but: Everything about the original poster is better in every way, except the dual taglines. That's never necessary. I like that the logo is more prominent in the remake, but the fact that it's just in a black rectangle tacked onto the bottom of an image is super loving lazy.
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# ? May 15, 2013 16:19 |
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I love me some Mockbusters
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# ? May 15, 2013 16:43 |
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Canned Panda posted:I love me some Mockbusters Oh, wait, the aliens got mechs as well?
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# ? May 15, 2013 16:47 |
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Canned Panda posted:I love me some Mockbusters The title doesn't even make SENSE because there's no such thing as the Atlantic Rim.
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# ? May 15, 2013 16:49 |
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ATLANTIC R.I.M.: REALLY IMPRESSIVE MONSTERS
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# ? May 15, 2013 16:51 |
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Atlantic R.I.M.: Should have bought Androids
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Cpt. Spring Types posted:It's too late for that, but: Everything about the original poster is better in every way, except the dual taglines. That's never necessary. I like that the logo is more prominent in the remake, but the fact that it's just in a black rectangle tacked onto the bottom of an image is super loving lazy. Yeah so it's a good representation of the movie then.
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# ? May 15, 2013 17:02 |
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Shoehead posted:Yeah so it's a good representation of the movie then. I haven't seen either of them, but I assume so.
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# ? May 15, 2013 17:10 |
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Canned Panda posted:I love me some Mockbusters Did they just render half the robot and mirror it over?
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# ? May 15, 2013 18:00 |
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Irish Taxi Driver posted:Did they just render half the robot and mirror it over? Come on, this is (I presume) Asylum Films. They will cut literally every corner so they can pump out their lovely movies to sell to confused moms at Walmart who think they're getting the real deal.
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# ? May 15, 2013 18:32 |
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Nikaer Drekin posted:Come on, this is (I presume) Asylum Films. They will cut literally every corner so they can pump out their lovely movies to sell to confused moms at Walmart who think they're getting the real deal. Hey, I bought Almighty Thor completely aware of what I was getting into and I got more than my worth of unintentional comedy. Ez fucked around with this message at 19:09 on May 15, 2013 |
# ? May 15, 2013 19:06 |
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Which one plays Thor? The credits would seem to indicate Patricia Velasquez does.
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# ? May 15, 2013 19:08 |
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Aphrodite posted:Which one plays Thor? None of the people listed on the poster.
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# ? May 15, 2013 19:10 |
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Ez posted:Hey, I bought Almighty Thor completely aware of what I was getting into and I got more than my worth of unintentional comedy. Okay, yeah, I did watch most of this gem when it was on Netflix Instant. Thinking about it, I enjoyed it more than the actual Transformers 2, so I guess that's a point for you, Asylum!
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# ? May 15, 2013 19:21 |
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The Asylum films are way too self-aware to be funny anymore. That said, I am looking forward to seeing their Avengers knockoff
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# ? May 15, 2013 19:58 |
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Nikaer Drekin posted:Okay, yeah, I did watch most of this gem when it was on Netflix Instant. Oh Bruce Boxleitner, no
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# ? May 15, 2013 21:23 |
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Aatrek posted:Oh Bruce Boxleitner, no At least he's still getting work. Do you want him to subsist on cameo roles and uncredited commercial appearances?
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# ? May 15, 2013 21:35 |