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Personally I took the "World Destroyers are Heroes" comment more along the lines of something like "They won the war and the winners write history. Naturally they would write themselves as the heroes." It didn't really sound like he was actually calling anyone heroes but it could be I just interpreted it wrong. Catsworth fucked around with this message at 11:39 on May 16, 2013 |
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Chewbot posted:I know he just said his sister would be happy to take over without him, but why even mention his sister if she's not relevant to the story? Apart from this one bit, it's a sound theory. Remember, though, that Naegi's sister never became relevant in DR1, and that the sibling relationship between Mukuro and Junko only became apparent at the end.
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Hey oren, I've been reading and enjoying DR 1 & 2 for the past couple weeks, and I really love it. Thanks for all you hard work! <3 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 16, 2013 16:32
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Getting Nagito to SHSL Good Luck the door open was pretty much my first thought, and I reckon that he would be totally okay with doing that given his motives, but the game is such an utter tease about this sort of thing that we'll never see it happen :C and then to cap it off I didn't post about it nearly quickly enough. Not sure if we're up to a free day yet, but if we are I am all for Mikan. Intriguingly moe, potentially psycho. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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lodoubt posted:Getting Nagito to SHSL Good Luck the door open was pretty much my first thought, and I reckon that he would be totally okay with doing that given his motives, but the game is such an utter tease about this sort of thing that we'll never see it happen :C and then to cap it off I didn't post about it nearly quickly enough.
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May 16, 2013 18:08
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EdgeryWorthy posted:Her page says it's fine to link her art as long as it's credited and linked back to her page, so here it is: Oh my god that's loving awesome. Is their tumblr safe to follow, as in no spoilers abound? Because if she has more fanart I'd love to poke through it, but I don't want to bumble into spoilers for DR:0 or DR:2
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May 16, 2013 19:11
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The "World Destroyers are heroes" bit make me think of something else: Monobear insists there is a traitor among them while Monomi says there is not. Though exactly what would each of them consider a "traitor"? Recall that Sakura was a traitor...but was working FOR Monobear. Here Monobear claims he has no idea who sent this "traitor". So either there is some group who is opposed to Monobear AND the students (which seems unlikely) or maybe the "traitor" is on the STUDENTS side...which would explain why Monomi says there is no traitor, since she's apparently on the students' side and thus the traitor might work for her controllers).
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May 16, 2013 19:39
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death .cab for qt posted:Is their tumblr safe to follow, as in no spoilers abound? Because if she has more fanart I'd love to poke through it, but I don't want to bumble into spoilers for DR:0 or DR:2
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May 16, 2013 20:43
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Catsworth posted:Personally I took the "World Destroyers are Heroes" comment more along the lines of something like "They won the war and the winners write history. Naturally they would write themselves as the heroes." quote:
Also is anyone else growing slowly more suspicious of Monomi, considering how hard she seems to be trying to keep Monobear from saying things concerning a possible traitor, and her reaction to Monobear bringing up that they need to find the traitor and kill them. It certainly seems like Monobear is divulging more information than Monomi wants and it's not exactly certain if that's because Monobear wants them to despair or Monomi doesn't want secrets getting out at this point.
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But, "terrorists" is the title given to the losers. Once they win, they become known as "heroes".
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psychoticBacofoil posted:I'd say it's one of those "winners write history" lines for sure. Yeah. I'm sure that Monomi and Monobear are working against each other, but can't or won't take direct action against one and another. Or maybe I am mistaken and the whole thing is an act. But regardless, it is getting very obvious that both are keeping secrets from the SHSL students.
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death .cab for qt posted:Oh my god that's loving awesome. There's something that MIGHT be a spoiler or it might just be a dumb homestuck reference so look at your own risk.
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psychoticBacofoil posted:I'd say it's one of those "winners write history" lines for sure. I don't think it's possible for me to be "more" suspicious of Monomi, shes been the most suspicious "person" on the island since minute one.
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I am not sure but I think Monomi, besides being a Doraemon pun/reference, is a word and if we were Japanese it would have historical or allegorical meaning for us. You can type it into google translate to get an ominous translation and also it's the name of a specialist unit from shogun 2's expansion pack. On the other hand Monomi has always been extremely suspicious with even a naked surface reading and requires absolutely nothing to underscore this.
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Krinkle posted:I am not sure but I think Monomi, besides being a Doraemon pun/reference, is a word and if we were Japanese it would have historical or allegorical meaning for us. You can type it into google translate to get an ominous translation and also it's the name of a specialist unit from shogun 2's expansion pack. On the other hand Monomi has always been extremely suspicious with even a naked surface reading and requires absolutely nothing to underscore this. Are the characters for Monomi "モノミ" ?
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I put in hiragana but yeah they both shake out the same word that might or might not mean anything.
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It's name is "Usami" or a cutesy way of saying rabbit. "Monomi" is what monobear renamed her (I think) and it's just Usami but with Mono instead of Usa. There you go. Lance Streetman fucked around with this message at 01:18 on May 17, 2013 |
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I honestly do not see Monomi as a threat or even working with Monobear, I think her unwillingness to say things about a traitor and believe info that Monobear spouts is a legitimate case of denial.
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Suzuki Method posted:I honestly do not see Monomi as a threat or even working with Monobear, I think her unwillingness to say things about a traitor and believe info that Monobear spouts is a legitimate case of denial. That's actually an interesting idea there, since it would explain why some of her actions would have legitimately gotten all but one of the cast killed if they hadn't suspected anyone of Togami-stabbin'. But what then are her motivations? If she's dead set on making sure everyone stays all happy-wappy and friendly, it'd lend credence to the "DR2 Cast = Mind Wiped Badguys" theory. Monomi is their jailer/rehabilitationist determined to set them on the right path, meaning she'd pretty much have to disavow anything MB says or does out of a fear that the kids are returning to their old ways, or however you want to describe it. If this is the case that she's the Jailer, then I feel Monobear's controller is someone who's out for revenge over something...
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Miulei posted:Who else thinks that Komaeda is gonna be the traitor and that's why he acts like a deranged psychopath? Because it seems probable to me. Just saying. Actually, I think Komaeda's more of a sociopath than a psychopath. The way he keeps referring to the rest of the students as "SHSL talents" and "beacons of Hope"... it's like he has trouble grasping the fact that they're people. He doesn't seem to understand that they don't want to die for his little Hope crusade.
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psychoticBacofoil posted:Also is anyone else growing slowly more suspicious of Monomi, considering how hard she seems to be trying to keep Monobear from saying things concerning a possible traitor, and her reaction to Monobear bringing up that they need to find the traitor and kill them. It certainly seems like Monobear is divulging more information than Monomi wants and it's not exactly certain if that's because Monobear wants them to despair or Monomi doesn't want secrets getting out at this point. I am, which bums me out because I really like her and feel really bad for her... Goddamn Monomi why are you so cute and pitiful and depressing but also so incredibly suspicious  And on the subject of Monomi, I do think that her erasure of their memories, especially Hinata's considering he's had more erased, makes it seem pretty likely that he could be the traitor.
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Retter posted:I am, which bums me out because I really like her and feel really bad for her... Goddamn Monomi why are you so cute and pitiful and depressing but also so incredibly suspicious I kinda want this to be true, if only because that way we get to basically turn the video game into every Philip K. Dick movie at once -- or at least the Paycheck 'memory wipe inventory/evidence puzzle' meeting Minority Report's 'There is something wrong here with the memory wipes and I have to prove my innocence/justify my actions,' while in the meantime Komaeda tries to demonstrate that Hinata is untrustworthy and incapable of serving as a leader, and we must all rally around him instead. Lead this into an final act in which Hinata, after losing credibility among his peers, gets them to realize that the hope being peddled by Komaeda is false and disregards their own human nature, in a recapitulation of the final scene from the first game. This makes so much sense (especially given that it's not like Japan's games culture doesn't adore Philip K. Dick movie adaptations) for the structure of the last two acts that it has to be completely and totally wrong, of course.
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Though I don't see it as making her likable, I think Saionji's bullying of Mikan is part of her childlike demeanor. Children are the cruelest people after all; it's not uncommon for little kids to harass others who they perceive as weak and/or unwilling to fight back. I'm rather curious about why Saionji acts so much younger than the rest of the cast, and given how active she's been this chapter, I've got a feeling we'll get into that more soon.
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 How could anyone hate a face this cute/evil? I'm keen to the thought of Nagito being the traitor. If we assume that Monobear (and the person operating him?) is some sort of agent / associate of SHSL Despair, traitor gets put into a different light. SHSL Despair infiltrated Hope's Peak once, and it seems this island might be part of the plan (if the ruin they found really is Hope's Peak). Nagito might have worked for SHSL Despair, but went rouge. We know he is working towards hope, be it through despair. Nagito is obviously trying to counteract the despair that SHSL Despair has made. I wouldn't be surprised if hope and despair turned out to be some weird universal forces that have some important value (like spiral power vs the anti spiral in Gurren Lagann).
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I think I am gonna just go with the Mikan-Monomi connection. They are both kinda similar in personality, in that they let people walk all over them, and I don't feel that the connection is that obvious; so by this game's trend of subverting expectations, I think it is kinda plausible. But really who the gently caress knows anything. Aside from the people what already know because they played it/stumbled onto spoilers
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i300 posted:
Looking closer at that picture, I'm reminded of someone.  I can't help but note a lot of eerie similarities between the two of them now that I think about it. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 15:36 on May 17, 2013 |
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Well, I imagine for the Mono-sibs, there are basically two generalized scenarios: Ether one/both is/are a true AI, OR, they are being controlled by somebody(s) already on the island. The third scenario of an as of yet not introduced villain shouldn't be considered for now. (This is admittedly meta-logic but it stands to reason that having a hitherto unseen character be behind everything is a big cheat for this type of mystery, even if the character is someone we've seen or haven't seen yet from DR0.) You can even mix these two theories (one's an AI, one's being controlled, or even that the robots have partial AIs who get orders programmed into them by members of the cast) but the bottom line is that we need to look for evidence supporting either of these before we can figure out if someone's controlling them, or who.
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TKMobile posted:Well, I imagine for the Mono-sibs, there are basically two generalized scenarios: Ether one/both is/are a true AI, OR, they are being controlled by somebody(s) already on the island. The third scenario of an as of yet not introduced villain shouldn't be considered for now. (This is admittedly meta-logic but it stands to reason that having a hitherto unseen character be behind everything is a big cheat for this type of mystery, even if the character is someone we've seen or haven't seen yet from DR0.) Id say that's only really a cheat if the unseen character remains unseen throughout. We're only at the beginning of chapter 2 after all, if a new character is introduced next update, them being the overall bad-dude would be fair, I think. Not that I think this is particularly likely, but still.
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Granted, we're not even a third of the way through so it's possible? But unless Naegi and co burst through the door of the school ruins, anyone else who gets introduced from here out is going to be very suspicious and would either have to be the villain or a red herring.
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W.T. Fits posted:Actually, I think Komaeda's more of a sociopath than a psychopath. The way he keeps referring to the rest of the students as "SHSL talents" and "beacons of Hope"... it's like he has trouble grasping the fact that they're people. He doesn't seem to understand that they don't want to die for his little Hope crusade. Sociopathy is actually just another name applied to psychopathy by those who believe it has a social/nurture root rather than a chemical/nature one. Pop culture's really let us down on this one. It's unlikely that Komaeda is psychopathic anyways, or if he is it's a more minor case. Dr. Cleckley, who basically invented the modern definition and treatment of psychopathy, said that a lack of any remorse or guilt, and an absence of delusional or irrational thinking, were both crucially symptomatic of psychopathy. EDIT: In fact, an overinflated sense of self-worth pops up in most diagnostic lists for psychopathy, to the point that many psychopaths cross-indicate with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Looking closer at that picture, I'm reminded of someone. To me she's got a lot more of the attitude of Dasterdly.~ Monomi, you snickering, floppy eared hound. When courage is needed, you're never around. Those hope shards you wear on your moth-eaten chest Should be there for bungling at which you are best. So, Stop that Monobear Stop that Monobear (x6) Nab him Jab him Tab him Grab him Stop that Monobear now! You, Gundam, stop snickering, it's not worth the chance. For you'll be returned by the seat of your pants. And Souda, you invent me a thingamabob That catches that Monobear or I lose my Hope. (Second chorus)
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TKMobile posted:Well, I imagine for the Mono-sibs, there are basically two generalized scenarios: Ether one/both is/are a true AI, OR, they are being controlled by somebody(s) already on the island. It's not a definite clue, but the fact that neither Monobear or Monomi can get inside the building plus the "That means that just like me..." line suggest that whatever they are, they're both the same. More speculatively, it could possibly be their AI programming that is intentionally preventing them from getting inside.
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tiistai posted:It's not a definite clue, but the fact that neither Monobear or Monomi can get inside the building plus the "That means that just like me..." line suggest that whatever they are, they're both the same. More speculatively, it could possibly be their AI programming that is intentionally preventing them from getting inside. You know, now that you bring it up, given that MB has Rambo-sized guns and (most of) an army of death robots, he could probably access the school if he wanted to or was free to do so. And I bet there's a bunch of poo poo in there that could gently caress around with the class. Monomi... maybe not so much, but this means that if they can't get into it, then something important is in there. I doubt, again, that it's whoever controls or programs the two robots, but something must come of this.
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So this school looks old but apparently it's just made to look that way. Does that mean everything still functions? Are... all the windows bolted shut by any chance?
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EDIT: Irrelevant post, sorry.
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Hold on.... Nanami told everyone to dust the door off to see what she was talking about. But since it's dust, and it had to have accumulated over time, Nanami would have to have known that the door would've been high tech blue-laser-light embedded beforehand. I have a strange feeling that Nanami knows way more than she lets on. Especially when coupled with the fact that she shooed us away from the ruins, but she only ended up discovering something strange about the door without touching it at all.
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Dingzhu posted:Hold on.... I think she is just very genre aware - that giant, out of place metal door, OF COURSE it'll have blue-glowy future tech gizmos on it. Thats what vault doors HAVE. Have you never played Gears of Fallout X?
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Dingzhu posted:Hold on.... Or maybe she saw the general design of the door, the huge honking gun and the input panel and deduced that this place wasn't as ancient as it looked like. She didn't necessarily have to know that the door had some futuristic pattern to it, maybe she just guessed as much. Besides, the door would have to be absolutely caked with dust to hide grooves perfectly. Maybe she could see the general outlines.
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JimmyT64 posted:I think she is just very genre aware - that giant, out of place metal door, OF COURSE it'll have blue-glowy future tech gizmos on it. Thats what vault doors HAVE. Have you never played Gears of Fallout X? Well, that would make a lot more sense; SHSL Gamer, after all. Still, I think there would've been better, more obvious things to point everyone to. The giga-gun in the corner, for instance.
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Falls Down Stairs posted:That's why I put things as "eugenics/human enhancement". Maybe I should've left out 'eugenics', I dunno. I think it's unlikely that Hope's Peak is hiding an actual breeding program to raise Übermenschen, since that'd require control over their subjects' whole lives, not just the 3 years of Japanese high school. Sorry for sort of necro-quoting, but i just had to point this out. They might very well need control over their lives to have a eugenics program, however.... What if they already knew that their subjects were destined to have children!!!  I mean they have someone who can predict the future with 100% accuracy* who we've already seen make predictions about having people having kids... Ya never know  *sometimes
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