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Vernii posted:Are you people even capable of reading? The article written by the journalist who was at the event, which is still only a page back so you should be able to find it easily, and which I have [i]already quoted once on this page. Thanks. Usually when the posting devolves into this level of vitriol and people start breaking out  , I skip over it for BM posts, assuming that nobody is going to say anything remotely insightful or relevant in favor of calling each other Nazis etc.
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Muscle Tracer posted:Thanks. Usually when the posting devolves into this level of vitriol and people start breaking out That's understandable. A lot of posters seem to have not read the page and are operating under the mistaken assumption that demonstrations in war zones should be handled like delicate china.
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Bashar Assad posted:That's understandable. A lot of posters seem to have not read the page and are operating under the mistaken assumption that demonstrations in war zones should be handled like delicate china.
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Vernii posted:That's understandable. A lot of posters seem to have not read the page and are operating under the mistaken assumption that demonstrations in war zones should be handled like delicate china.
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Muscle Tracer posted:Still, you and the guy responding to you got the last word. I'm amazed that so many people earlier in the program seemed convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the regime is using sarin, despite there being very little evidence to support that theory and many obvious holes in the reasoning, like your point about the grenades. That's why I really wanted to get on earlier, it would have turned the whole conversation on it's head, and been a lot more interesting then people debating the same "facts" again. There were some really good guests who would have said a lot of interesting things on it, instead I get 45 seconds of replies.
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^^^ Sorry man. At least you got to bring up the canisters. They were really juggling a hell of a lot of guests, so I'm sure you're not the only one who is disappointed. Zeroisanumber posted:Not a soldier, but I doubt that it's as safe and simple as you're making it out to be. I was an infantryman, and it's exactly how we were taught, and that never contradicted my values. Keep in mind this wasn't a demonstration organized by like-minded people to send a message to the opposition fighters. It was organized by the regime to send unarmed people into the line of fire to stir the pot, while lacing the crowd with gunmen to draw a response. They wanted to get the opposition to commit a massacre so they could use it as propaganda against the rebels. From the opposition figures perspective, they were absolutely screwed. You either do nothing, and get overran, which is NOT an option. You fire warning shots, in which case the gunmen in the crowd will return fire, and you've got a firefight with a crowd of unarmed people in the middle, or you just open up on everyone which is not an option. The middle option is the only choice. You can't leave because you're massively outnumbered, and moving through the streets is an easy way to find yourself surrounded at close proximity, which leaves your life in the hands of a mob. Your best bet is to hunker down, maintain security on all fields of fire and tell people to stay the gently caress back. Then you pray they listen. Muscle Tracer posted:Thanks. Usually when the posting devolves into this level of vitriol and people start breaking out Yeah vernii. As someone making the same point as you, the douchiness your posts are dripping in is undermining what you're saying. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 21:03 on May 16, 2013 |
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The thing about the demonstration is we see one guy who was wounded (maybe?), and a report of the Syrian Army guy wounded as well. Maybe I missed the report where it was a massacre, but opening fire on a crowd doesn't always mean aiming at them and mowing them down. From that video it looked like most of the shots were warning shots fired overhead. During the initial phase of the Iraq War I remember a demonstration that was attempted to be broken up by warning shots, but then someone fired on American forces and they let loose with everything and killed a whole bunch of people. That doesn't seem to be the case here, and with automatic weapons fire it really should have been if the rebels intended to do such a thing. I think both sides in this thread are massively overblowing the incident.
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VikingSkull posted:The thing about the demonstration is we see one guy who was wounded (maybe?), and a report of the Syrian Army guy wounded as well. Maybe I missed the report where it was a massacre, but opening fire on a crowd doesn't always mean aiming at them and mowing them down. From that video it looked like most of the shots were warning shots fired overhead. During the initial phase of the Iraq War I remember a demonstration that was attempted to be broken up by warning shots, but then someone fired on American forces and they let loose with everything and killed a whole bunch of people. That doesn't seem to be the case here, and with automatic weapons fire it really should have been if the rebels intended to do such a thing. The Syrian Army reported that they killed 10 opposition fighters, suffered 3 casualties, and 5 civilians were injured. It would appear that the demonstration was halted almost immediately by shots being fired, with the protesters retreating back across the no-man's land. Certainly there could have been more casualties, and it is impossible to say how many injuries occurred during the protest, and how many during the Syrian Army attack that began moments later. edit: Now that I've watched the video myself, I have no issue with the opposition forces refusing to permit the protest. They have no obligation to accept the obvious risks to their lives entailed by allowing an unknown group of civilian and military forces into their secure areas. Particularly when those risks then became apparent when the Syrian Army used the protest as a pretext for an immediate attack. The rebels clearly communicated that they would not allow the protest ahead of time, and they used a reasonable amount of force in dispersing the crowd that invaded their territory (as opposed to detonating IEDs or emptying a machine-gun into the crowd etc.) Kaal fucked around with this message at 01:29 on May 17, 2013 |
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Heart munching lunatic Abu Sakkar has put out a statementquote:He is praying at first. Making supplications for different things (health, people, etc). From the outskirts of Homs we have Abu Sukkar:
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Brown Moses posted:Heart munching lunatic Abu Sakkar has put out a statement Can you insert the sad, walking-away music from the Incredible Hulk at the end of that? Thanks in advance.
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BIG HORNY COW posted:Can you insert the sad, walking-away music from the Incredible Hulk at the end of that?
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Hey look at that, dreams do come true!
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Brown Moses posted:Heart munching lunatic Abu Sakkar has put out a statement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQMf6RgOGpk
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R. Mute posted:Tell us again about how eating a human heart is Totally Okay.
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One day I will edit war footage from Syria into that video, it's my dream. Here's a good piece looking about Jabhat al-Nusra having a bit of trouble with Al-Qaeda, as JaN splits into one side that wants to stay as Jabhat al-Nusra, and another that wants to be Al Qaeda. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 16:00 on May 17, 2013 |
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Brown Moses posted:Heart munching lunatic Abu Sakkar has put out a statement It does seem to me, as a naive western observer, that this civil war has passed the point of no return. Assad and his forces can't step down without facing the slaughter of their families and supporters, and the rebels can't step down without facing the same fate. Maybe that's what was going to happen from the beginning but, now that so much of the country has been forced to choose a side, the slaughter will surely be worse.
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Brown Moses posted:One day I will edit war footage from Syria into that video, it's my dream. Is there some benefit to them putting a giant target on their heads and driving Western governments away from the rebels en masse? Or is calling your group "Al Qaeda" just some machismo bullshit?
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NathanScottPhillips posted:No one ate a human heart. There was a video that cuts out right as a man puts his teeth on a heart probably because he immediately jerked back in disgust. It's a propaganda video designed to intimidate their enemies, if you really want to talk about cannibals eating their enemies where's the thread on Africa? Stop and look at what you've come to. Minimizing atrocities is never the right decision, or even a smart one honestly. It's OK to maintain standards of humanity, even in a war, and especially when watching war from an armchair.
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radical meme posted:It does seem to me, as a naive western observer, that this civil war has passed the point of no return. Assad and his forces can't step down without facing the slaughter of their families and supporters, and the rebels can't step down without facing the same fate. Maybe that's what was going to happen from the beginning but, now that so much of the country has been forced to choose a side, the slaughter will surely be worse. I agree. How difficult is it for civilians to leave the country?
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SedanChair posted:Stop and look at what you've come to. Minimizing atrocities is never the right decision, or even a smart one honestly. It's OK to maintain standards of humanity, even in a war, and especially when watching war from an armchair.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:No one ate a human heart. There was a video that cuts out right as a man puts his teeth on a heart probably because he immediately jerked back in disgust. It's a propaganda video designed to intimidate their enemies, if you really want to talk about cannibals eating their enemies where's the thread on Africa? Also, I know what you're referring to (situations like in the Liberian civil war), but I'd advise you to be more careful when phrasing that in the future - Western perception of Africa is warped enough, you don't need to fuel it by inadvertently implying the entire continent is full of cannibals.
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I've reached my £6000 total for my Indiegogo fundraiser, I can now blog for the next 6 months without having to worry about getting a real job, hurrah!
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To dampen the mood here's a video showing parachute bombs doing what they do best, killing a bunch of people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1iiM4u23lU
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Worthleast posted:I agree. Well the refugee camp in Jordan is on pace to become the largest of its type by the end of the year, so the steady flow indicates people can still find ways out. For anyone curious, the largest currently is in the Sudan. And congrats BM!
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Volkerball posted:Well the refugee camp in Jordan is on pace to become the largest of its type by the end of the year, so the steady flow indicates people can still find ways out. For anyone curious, the largest currently is in the Sudan. poo poo would really be hosed if the violence spread to Jordan (Black September 1970, anyone?). After the Turkey bomb attacks there were reports of some Syrian refugees returning to Syria because they felt it is safer there...
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Gnawing on a corpse is small potatoes as war atrocities go, especially in a war like this one where at least one side is routinely torturing people to death. It seems like people only care because it's a novel kind of savagery, instead of the routine savagery we've become accustomed to.
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hepatizon posted:Gnawing on a corpse is small potatoes as war atrocities go, especially in a war like this one where at least one side is routinely torturing people to death. It seems like people only care because it's a novel kind of savagery, instead of the routine savagery we've become accustomed to. Or some people realize that putting Al Qaeda in power will be even worse.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:Or some people realize that putting Al Qaeda in power will be even worse. 
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hepatizon posted:Gnawing on a corpse is small potatoes as war atrocities go, especially in a war like this one where at least one side is routinely torturing people to death. It seems like people only care because it's a novel kind of savagery, instead of the routine savagery we've become accustomed to. Imagine if a video surfaced where a US soldier was taking a bite out of a Taliban fighter's heart. Small potatoes!
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Speaking of which, there is a long piece on Reuters today about Al-Nursa Front's effective disintegration and replacement by AQI. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/17/us-syria-crisis-nusra-idUSBRE94G0FY20130517
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Brown Moses posted:To dampen the mood here's a video showing parachute bombs doing what they do best, killing a bunch of people This is the second video of those things I've seen, what is the advantage of using those instead of the classic "free fall until explode" kind of bombs? I'm guessing a wider dispersal as they drift?
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Chard posted:This is the second video of those things I've seen, what is the advantage of using those instead of the classic "free fall until explode" kind of bombs? I'm guessing a wider dispersal as they drift? More time for the plane to get out of the blast radius in low altitude bombing, among other things. Not only does the parachute slow the descent but it also takes out all forward momentum.
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Miruvor posted:Speaking of which, there is a long piece on Reuters today about Al-Nursa Front's effective disintegration and replacement by AQI. I had a guest post on my blog on that very subject, well worth a read to understand the new dynamic, Jabhat al-Nusra and The Islamic State of Iraq and ash-Sham.
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Brown Moses posted:I've reached my £6000 total for my Indiegogo fundraiser, I can now blog for the next 6 months without having to worry about getting a real job, hurrah! Hooray! Did you solve the paypal issue?
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Cocoa Ninja posted:Hooray! Did you solve the paypal issue? Yeah, I got a bunch of my journalists pals started directly Tweeting the president of Paypal who dealt with it directly, got it fixed in under 6 hours. This video shows an illumination round deployed during the day, which I suspect has been done to make anyone who sees it think it's some sort of chemical weapon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ4qXRy9kdo
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Brown Moses posted:To dampen the mood here's a video showing parachute bombs doing what they do best, killing a bunch of people
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Kurt_Cobain posted:Wow, what purpose does attaching these to a parachute serve? Seems like incredibly effective psychological warfare when you can see what will kill people slowly raining down. If you shoot it, great, you ruined the parachute and now die even quicker. Nenonen posted:More time for the plane to get out of the blast radius in low altitude bombing, among other things. Not only does the parachute slow the descent but it also takes out all forward momentum.
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Kurt_Cobain posted:So psychological warfare is not involved at all with those? Just blowing people to poo poo while avoiding air defences.
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