der juicen posted:

Reading the comments on that review, I guess I don't "GET" Trek, and by god am I glad. Movie starts in five minutes and I know I'll enjoy it after reading spoilers in this thread.

Alchenar posted:

That scene is the pinnacle of a whole film of actors doing magnificent things with scenes that simply shouldn't exist. Nimoy's reaction is fantastic. Doesn't change how stupid it is that rather than work things out for themselves they stop and skype old-Spock to ask for the answer. Old-Spock having all the future knowledge is easily escapable - have a line at the start of the film about how he's vowed never to speak of the future, have the Enterprise lose communications (also explaining why they aren't screaming for help on all frequencies over Earth), they chose to have the stupid cameo that detracts entirely from the tension of the new cast trying to work things out for themselves.

Ensign_Ricky posted:

I called the whole calling Old Spock "Trek Support".

Chewbacca posted:

Oh, I'm definitely stealing that one. Along with the Wrath of Ret-Kahn line I read somewhere else.

Ensign_Ricky posted:

Help yourself, I was doing the math on that one for about 20 minutes.

edit: I also debated a line like "There's a weird probe headed for Earth!" "TO THE SPOCK-PHONE!"

Also, I hope when Into Darkness is on DVD or whatever someone makes a mashup of Shatner and Quinto screaming. That would be amazing.

pyrotek posted:

So what is Khan's motivation for deciding to transwarp to Qo'noS in particular? I know they said he wanted to go to the one place they couldn't go but in what way does that benefit him? He wasn't trying to start a war with the Klingons, was he? Wasn't he just trying to get his crew back? Why not just transwarp to an uninhabited planet or some other place? Wouldn't him being on Qo'noS really make it less likely for them to go after him when he really wants them to so he can get his people back?

BIG HEADLINE posted:

"You need to execute a time warp...but trust me on this, leave Chekov behind. Don't let any Arabs go on away missions, either."

Avynte posted:

"The Search for Kirk."

Hewlett posted:

It's a good point, but I think Khan didn't know that Admiral Robocop wasn't going to be actually using the torpedoes against him and/or that they would be on the ship chasing him - might have been a temporary reprieve to gather his strength since Kirk destroyed his ship. It's flimsy, but that's how I justified it.

monster on a stick posted:

The "brought down by single-minded purpose" would have helped if that is what brought Khan down. They get him in ST2 because he lacks "three dimensional thinking" for the space battle; this movie just had an action set piece. All the Spock-Spock talk gives us is Old Spock reacting to Khan's name with

Avynte posted:

I can see why longtime Trek fans would hate it though. The focus on slick effects, frantic pacing, and action-adventure over exposition into the nature of Humanity and it's place among the galaxy is pretty much the antithesis of traditional Trek.

DFu4ever posted:

If that was the case, Trek fans wouldn't really like any of the movies. Trek series and Trek movies have always been distinctly different in the stories they tell, mostly because movies are expected to have bigger and flashier stories. You'd never in a million years get a Trek movie like The Inner Light, even though that is one of the best Trek stories around. Because with a series you can mix the slower stories in with the more action oriented stuff throughout a season. With a movie you have one chance every few years to get a story out there with as broad of an appeal as possible.

Avynte posted:

I just got back from seeing this and thought it was pretty awesome. I loved the little call backs from Section 31, Mudd, Nurse Chapel, and Sulu in the Captain's seat . I can see why longtime Trek fans would hate it though. The focus on slick effects, frantic pacing, and action-adventure over exposition into the nature of Humanity and it's place among the galaxy is pretty much the antithesis of traditional Trek. Although I guess the heavy handed allegory to drone strikes is sticking to the formula.

Reading spoilers ahead of time, I was relieved that they resurrected Kirk right away. I was dreading having to sit through a godawful "The Search for Kirk." The KHAAAAN line was downright cheesy, but I loved cut to Khan just missing the Enterprise with the dreadnought and crashing it into San Fran. Here was a dude that was supposed to have the ~master plan~ and instead he was outsmarted, thought his entire crew just got blown up, and finally snapped. The fight with Spock on top of the hovercar was great too. After taunting Spock that he didn't have it in him to crush the bones of another person, seeing his arm get snapped got a little fist pump from me.

monster on a stick posted:

I think the scream echoing in space, with the moon (and volume of the scream) slowly receding worked really well. It wasn't JUST the scream.

I don't think Spock yelling "KHAAAANNN!" works because we just had a very emotional moment with Kirk dying that is supposed to echo the mirror scene in TWOK. The audience is supposed to feel sadness, especially if they saw TWOK. Then Spock yells the comeback line and at least to me, it didn't feel right. The original line was pretty cheesy, and having a cheesy scream after a sad scene ruins the impact of both. If this was done differently - say, showing a clearly distraught Spock leaving Engineering, then increasing angry (losing control of his Vulcan side) as he finds Khan on Earth and orders himself beamed down. He turns, sees a figure running - and yells a battlecry of "KHAAAAAAAAAN!" Cheesy but now it's the start of an action sequence, and there would have been more of a buildup.

Danger posted:

Could it be that some examination of the nature of humanity and it's place in the galaxy (and the ideological basis of that 'placing') is found in the "slick effects and frenetic pacing"?

PeterWeller posted:

As for this movie, I felt it was a great capstone to the scene. Quinto delivered a great yell; Spock has just realized how much Kirk means to him and is once again feeling those emotions he vowed not to feel. It's the second best delivery behind Pine's "Spock, I'm frightened," and the two bookend and solidify the great pathos of that scene, which I felt was just as resonant as the original.

Chewbacca posted:

Sort of? But that's the problem. This movie has "Themes," like Kirk acknowledging and getting over his own egotism, bit it doesn't have much in the way of "Ideas," despite having plenty of opportunity. It's not that its stupid (at least in my opinion) it's just that its not smart. Take the 9/11 imagery, for example. It's recognizably in there, but the movie doesn't rally use it to say anything.

Chewbacca posted:

Sort of? But that's the problem. This movie has "Themes," like Kirk acknowledging and getting over his own egotism, bit it doesn't have much in the way of "Ideas," despite having plenty of opportunity. It's not that its stupid (at least in my opinion) it's just that its not smart. Take the 9/11 imagery, for example. It's recognizably in there, but the movie doesn't rally use it to say anything.

Daric posted:

We're all forgetting the most important issue here.

Who was the girl with the white hair on the bridge of the Enterprise because I think I'm in love.

Dirk Digglet posted:

You and me both, man

Snak posted:

It rather explicitly states that revenge and war are not good answers to terrorism.

der juicen posted:

Also, was that an android on the bridge. There was a guy with some electrical thing on the back of his head and he spoke in a strange way. Really enjoy how they portray the aliens in the movies, too.

Dodecalypse posted:

I'm not a star trek fan and the most I've ever seen of the Star Trek universe is one of the older episodes, 2-3 segments of TNG at like 4 am on Spike, and those TNG blooper reels. Basically I know enough to get the dumb rear end ham-handed references they interjected into it like spock screaming khaaan.

Everything about this movie bored me to tears. I haven't seen the first one (of the modern set) but I suspect even if I had I still wouldn't care about the characters. The acting was flat, the action was flatter, I found the most interesting part the beginning up until the title card came up. (And even then the scenes with Kirk and that doctor guy were just cgi flashing across the scene faster than my eyes could keep up).

The characterization and dialogue were the worst parts for me. This movie seems to think you're a big Star Trek fan and know the characters intimately, and I do not. So I just really don't give a poo poo about any of the characters and I'd just often wander off when there was most of the dialogue. For example, the scene near the end where kirk dies kind of I zoned out and came back to Spock squeezing Khan's neck. It was clear I missed absolutely nothing at all and I just didn't care.

This is overall one of the most boring movies I've seen in recent years to be honest.

Although goddamn, the previews preceding this movie were probably the worst set I have ever seen in my life.

E: Additional complaint I just remembered: If I ever hear Simon Pegg use that god awful scottish accent again I will physically remove my ears. It's truly awful

Snak posted:

It rather explicitly states that revenge and war are not good answers to terrorism.
It's interesting because this movie is very strongly about morality. Kirk and Co. realize that breaking the rules can be okay when it's the morally right thing to do, but that breaking the rules for revenge is the morally wrong thing to do. It's not a particularly deep or intellectual movie, but the ideas are there.

MadScientistWorking posted:

Honestly, I'm not entirely sure what to make of it beyond part of it Kirk's egotism stemmed from him considering his crew an actual family and that I don't think he could deal with loosing them at the start of the movie.

Daric posted:

Yeah dude, the second movie in the series is going to presume you've seen the first one. You know, the one where they introduced the characters you're supposed to know intimately.

Dodecalypse posted:

der juicen posted:

I don't think Star Trek is for you if you jump into the sequel to the reboot. Also, Man of Steel trailer more than makes up for the terrible other trailers. And Anchorman 2 blurb.

Daric posted:

Yeah I got man of steel (awesome), pacific rim (even more awesome), and Fast6 which I am really excited for.

bobkatt013 posted:

I got Man of Steel, Thor, Anchorman, Elysium ( which looks insane). The only one that looked absolutely horrible was World War Z.

der juicen posted:

I got those with exception of Thor, but add Ender's Game and Despicable Me 2. I was hoping for a full Anchorman 2 trailer though.

Chewbacca posted:

Sort of? But that's the problem. This movie has "Themes," like Kirk acknowledging and getting over his own egotism, bit it doesn't have much in the way of "Ideas," despite having plenty of opportunity. It's not that its stupid (at least in my opinion) it's just that its not smart. Take the 9/11 imagery, for example. It's recognizably in there, but the movie doesn't rally use it to say anything.


Just gonna have to agree to disagree with you on that one, it was easily my least favorite moment of the whole film. I found it so immersion shattering that I think I actually inadvertently yelled "seriously?!" at the screen as it happened. And I'd be inclined to agree with your read of the scene proceeding it for the most part, which really did get to me. But hey, to each their own.

Chewbacca posted:

I love how at the beginning Kirk brought up the fact that he hadn't lost one person under his command to Pike. Then later, when the splodey spaceship on spaceship action happens, we have extended shots of little crew members getting blown up and sucked into space. Not like it ruined the movie or anything but shouldn't that moment have been a bigger deal for Kirk? I guess his whole "crew as family" biz is more "bridge-crew as family."

DrNutt posted:

I thought this was handled pretty expertly, when Kirk was trying to get to the engine room and he glimpses two crew members fall to their deaths. It's a blink and you'll miss it moment but the look on Kirk's face says it all. Honestly there's a lot I don't like about Pine's portrayal of Kirk but he nailed some pretty emotional stuff. "I'm frightened, Spock."

Oh and the Anchorman blurb was dumb as hell. I realize it wasn't from the movie proper but it was so forced and unfunny that it doesn't give me much hope. Remaining cautiously optimistic about Ender's Game, though.