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Arglebargle III posted:Did anything new actually happen with Benghazi in the last year or has it just become some sort of rote chant that gets included in the list of scandals that Obama has going on so that it can be a list of more than two? Yeah, a lot, but mainly because that second part of your sentence. Three weeks ago a whistlerblower came forward and revealed that after the attack, the State Department stepped in to change the official talking points, leading to Susan Rice saying untrue things to reporters (the video caused the attack). Then the Republicans started a Congressional hearing, during which they got the White House to send them 100 emails related to this. Then a few days ago, it came out the Republicans who had early access to those emails altered the statements in those emails to look like they showed a coverup or failed intelligence. Now that the White House has released the emails to the press, comparisons are being drawn between the versions provided by Republicans like Sen. Tom Coburn, who had full access to them due to his position on the Senate Intelligence Committee, and the official unaltered version. The unaltered emails show that the State Department wasn't covering up a botch and there was no failed intelligence--they were removing data from the talking points that would've compromised a source still deployed in the field at the time. If we had come out and said "We know it's a terrorist attack, and who's behind it," the suspects we were then still pursuing would've gone to ground and endangered our source. As of today, the Republicans are saying "100 emails is nice, now how about the other 2,500 emails that were sent with Benghazi in the subject header."
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XyloJW posted:As of today, the Republicans are saying "100 emails is nice, now how about the other 2,500 emails that were sent with Benghazi in the subject header." Where's the long-form Benghazi emails?
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Enjoy posted:This is a terrible attitude to take. "White trash" is extremely classist. You are literally saying that they are bad people because they are poor - exactly the attitude the conservative Southerners hold towards the Middle East. These "white trash" are inundated with propaganda which puts them in another kind of unfortunate position that they need educating out of, not berating or glassing. I'll be sure to check my non-white trash privilege next time my cousin posts an image macro advocating lynchings and gently remind him he's like that because he's poor even though he isn't.
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Enjoy posted:
I live in Jackson MS. There are plenty of racist white trash assholes here that are rich as gently caress. And politically powerful.
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May 20, 2013 15:11
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I'll be sure to check my non-white trash privilege next time my cousin posts an image macro advocating lynchings and gently remind him he's like that because he's poor even though he isn't. So call him a racist. "White trash" is a slur on poor Southerners who have been misled by the ruling class in order to divide races against one another.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:I live in Jackson MS. Yes, but they live in Madison, and have you seen their mall? E: I actually agree with Enjoy. The rich Mississippians imitate the poor to differentiate themselves from the "elitist" rich. It's just an extra layer of classism. XyloJW fucked around with this message at 15:20 on May 20, 2013 |
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Enjoy posted:So call him a racist. "White trash" is a slur on poor Southerners who have been misled by the ruling class in order to divide races against one another. What if he self-identifies as white trash?
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:What if he self-identifies as white trash? He's trolling you.
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example: the owner of John Deere (makers of tractors, lawnmowers, etc.) has a very expensive house that's painted entirely "John Deere" green.
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If you wanna see how funny and off the cuff conservatives are, #WhenISeeAObamaBumperSticker is trending hard on twitter right now. Yes, A, not An. My favorite one so far: I hide the crucifix on my mirror, I can't afford an audit!!! Rororororo, why you lovable tax cheat!
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:What if he self-identifies as white trash? Well good for him. He's empowering himself and trying to turn an insulting term into a something good among his fellow "white trash".
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Enjoy posted:He's trolling you. I wish this could be the case. Anyone who's ever lived in a small town/rural area in the South has heard at least one person unironically self-identify as "white trash."
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HiroProtagonist posted:I wish this could be the case. Anyone who's ever lived in a small town/rural area in the South has heard at least one person unironically self-identify as "white trash." Yep. Putting a huge white trash and proud decal in the back window of his truck is a lot of effort to troll someone he sees maybe once every few years.
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Enjoy posted:He's trolling you. Yeah, no, lots of people unironically self-identify as white trash. Just like lots of people are proud to be "rednecks".
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HiroProtagonist posted:I wish this could be the case. Anyone who's ever lived in a small town/rural area in the South has heard at least one person unironically self-identify as "white trash."
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Sharkie posted:example: the owner of John Deere (makers of tractors, lawnmowers, etc.) has a very expensive house that's painted entirely "John Deere" green. What's wrong with that?
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Interlude posted:Maybe you've heard of this trend where black people call each other 'friend of the family'? It's actually a completely different set of circumstances, so this example kind of misses the point.
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ponzicar posted:What's wrong with that? It should be New Holland blue. 
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XyloJW posted:Yes, but they live in Madison, and have you seen their mall? Why is it every Madison county is economically depressed, white as a republican, and filled with signs expressing bad opinions. JoshTheStampede posted:"rednecks". Redneck is especially pernicious because it was originally leveled against unionized miners. So calling someone a redneck manages to make you both a classist AND anti-union.
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EBT posted:Redneck is especially pernicious because it was originally leveled against unionized miners. So calling someone a redneck manages to make you both a classist AND anti-union. The poor rural farmer definition actually pre-dates the union miner meaning.
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"If I can't indulge in classist fantasy of ethnic cleansing then what can I do, vote for a real party?" - Most goddamned Democrats
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XyloJW posted:Yes, but they live in Madison, and have you seen their mall? My office is in that mall. I usually take a walk around it on my lunch. %50 of the stores have signs out front about how they only "look expensive". Funny enough, though, they're really really pumping up Ridgeland to be Madison Jr. To be 100% honest I live in Ridgeland, not Jackson. So it's kinda nice. Jackson itself, as far as city planning goes, is beyond BEYOND hosed. They're really trying hard with Ridgeland. Making a somewhat fluid residential/commercial layout. quote:So call him a racist. "White trash" is a slur on poor Southerners who have been misled by the ruling class in order to divide races against one another. Trust me. The rich here are still trashy as poo poo. Jersey Shore/Kardashian/Lohan kinda trashy. For those who've never been, if it all sounds convoluted and confusing, that's because it is. MS is a mish mash of rich as gently caress people trying to pull a "salt of the Earth" persona. They can complain about minorities while blasting hip hop in their 40k F250s that they refuse to wash because it's a fashion statement.
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Why we march? Why we talk like this? Why head hurt?
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Enjoy posted:Why we march? Why we talk like this? Why head hurt? Their brains have already been hurt by GMOs! The effects of them include
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I sure wish there was place to grab poo poo like the Ron Paul info bomb when I need it.
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ultimateforce posted:I sure wish there was place to grab poo poo like the Ron Paul info bomb when I need it. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=paulbomb First result. Or is that part of  ?
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ultimateforce posted:I sure wish there was place to grab poo poo like the Ron Paul info bomb when I need it. Snopes is pretty good. And I believe there's a few websites devoted to breaking down political lies.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Snopes is pretty good. And I believe there's a few websites devoted to breaking down political lies. Snopes is a liberal plant, you will be surprised how far you won't get with snopes.
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darthbob88 posted:http://lmgtfy.com/?q=paulbomb First result. I didn't search it with as word. drat it.
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So my very nice cousin posted this very racist link on Facebook. http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/05/19/wrong-color-in-the-wrong-place-white-family-stopping-to-refuel-attacked-beaten-unconscious/ I don't even know where to begin, I am just so sad.
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Brennanite posted:So my very nice cousin posted this very racist link on Facebook. http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/05/19/wrong-color-in-the-wrong-place-white-family-stopping-to-refuel-attacked-beaten-unconscious/ I looked at the comments and there was literally a man threatening to burn a cross in some lady's yard.
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I live in the part of Oklahoma hit by the monster death tornado today (my house is fine - it hit a little less than a mile south of me). The local Fox affiliate has some wonderful comments on their list about President Obama declaring the area a disaster area. I'm on my phone so can't really post screenshots, but you have people asking why it took so long (I guess four hours isn't fast enough?), umbrella jokes, Sandy Hook conspiracy theories, and OMG FEMA. Oklahomans loving suck. https://m.facebook.com/foxokc/posts/10151623811950861
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What is the explanation these chem trail tards have for where the chemicals are loaded? Plane fueling and loading are done by minimum wage workers with no super top secret clearance. No work force of that size and kind would be quiet. Everyone is quite aware of what everyone is doing around a plane. Have any of these people flown? You can see the jet stream start to form around the wing. I can't wrap my head around the stupidity.
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Obsolete posted:I live in the part of Oklahoma hit by the monster death tornado today (my house is fine - it hit a little less than a mile south of me). The local Fox affiliate has some wonderful comments on their list about President Obama declaring the area a disaster area. Are the usual suspects crowing about needing to find offsets in the budget before we can send aid to those affected?
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