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Celebrity kickstarters might actually increase traffic to the site as a whole (and by extension funding to smaller projects) by drawing in an entirely new audience. If someone goes to the site for Veronica mars they have a non zero chance of seeing the blurbs for other projects that might interest them or simply getting interested in the site and browsing around
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People also forget that celebrity kickstarters are not a new thing. Amanda Palmer's kickstarter was a year ago and Kickstarter was a much smaller site at that point.
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Rosalind posted:People also forget that celebrity kickstarters are not a new thing. Amanda Palmer's kickstarter was a year ago and Kickstarter was a much smaller site at that point. To be fair Amanda Palmer is fair bit lower down the celebrity scale than Zach Braff, as is Melissa Joan Hart really.
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May 22, 2013 13:17
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Rosalind posted:People also forget that celebrity kickstarters are not a new thing. Amanda Palmer's kickstarter was a year ago and Kickstarter was a much smaller site at that point. Pretty much nobody in the music business is actually rich, most of the time you see some rock star living an extravagant lifestyle it's a record label giving them free poo poo to keep up appearances. I doubt Amanda Palmer had a million dollars lying around to fund an album without the backing of a record label.
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rodbeard posted:Pretty much nobody in the music business is actually rich, most of the time you see some rock star living an extravagant lifestyle it's a record label giving them free poo poo to keep up appearances. I doubt Amanda Palmer had a million dollars lying around to fund an album without the backing of a record label. Well she does now since she took her million dollars and then told all the bands to play for free.
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May 22, 2013 15:12
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Ever felt the need to store a hip flask in your underwear? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2113693754/speakeasy-briefs-underwear-with-a-secret?ref=category
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May 22, 2013 15:23
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I was ready to poo poo on this, but it's actually legit and a pretty good idea: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/no-more-hurting-people Basically the city of Halifax (sort of a sister city to Boston after the explosion way back in 1917) decided to print a bunch of t-shirts based on Martin Richard's "No more hurting people - peace" poster in that one famous photo and are donating 70% to the One Fund and 30% directly to the Richard family. 35 days to go and it's already at 25grand.
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May 22, 2013 17:46
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pathetic little tramp posted:I was ready to poo poo on this, but it's actually legit and a pretty good idea: That's touching.
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May 22, 2013 18:53
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StorrowS posted:Ever felt the need to store a hip flask in your underwear? Good way to get a flask into stadiums/concerts that do pat-downs but don't have metal detectors. Probably also be better than the "hidden" travel pouches that tie around your waist and can easily be cut loose from the back.
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May 22, 2013 20:50
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Sigma-X posted:Well she does now since she took her million dollars and then told all the bands to play for free. No she didn't, she paid all of those bands. She also had to put a sizable chunk of that money into paying off the debt she accrued recording the album, funding the tour, funding the art show, funding the making of the art book, and funding the pressing of the CDs and records. This is a stupid loving derail every time it gets brought up. Also Double Fine aren't exactly a no name indy developer and there Kickstarter pre-dates even Palmer's.
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May 22, 2013 20:58
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pathetic little tramp posted:I was ready to poo poo on this, but it's actually legit and a pretty good idea: I'm from Halifax, the city blocked those "God probably isn't real" posters from appearing on buses when I was in University but yeah this is pretty nice. 
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May 22, 2013 21:17
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TheJoker138 posted:No she didn't, she paid all of those bands. She also had to put a sizable chunk of that money into paying off the debt she accrued recording the album, funding the tour, funding the art show, funding the making of the art book, and funding the pressing of the CDs and records. This is a stupid loving derail every time it gets brought up. I'm not entirely sure what's going on here, but she had to use the Kickstarter money to pay for the things the Kickstarter was for? Okay.
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May 22, 2013 21:24
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Wendell posted:I'm not entirely sure what's going on here, but she had to use the Kickstarter money to pay for the things the Kickstarter was for? Okay. Yeah, that's the point. People act like she just took the million dollars and ran away with it, which is...not what happened at all.
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May 22, 2013 21:55
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StorrowS posted:Ever felt the need to store a hip flask in your underwear? I could see people being interested in these for hiding drugs on their person.
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TheJoker138 posted:No she didn't, she paid all of those bands. After the Internet lost their collective poo poo.
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May 22, 2013 23:01
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TheJoker138 posted:No she didn't, she paid all of those bands. Yes, after the backlash that resulted from her asking them to play for beer, hugs and merchandise. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/10/amanda-palmers-kickstarter-scandal.html
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TheJoker138 posted:Yeah, that's the point. People act like she just took the million dollars and ran away with it, which is...not what happened at all. quote:Amanda Palmer, the rock musician known for using social media to build financial and fan support, has reversed course in the face of fierce criticism and decided to pay volunteer musicians who were invited to join her band city by city on a tour. edit: beeeeeaaaaaten
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May 22, 2013 23:06
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Jedit posted:Yes, after the backlash that resulted from her asking them to play for beer, hugs and merchandise. Doesn't matter, she still did pay them. So she didn't "run off with the money."
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May 23, 2013 00:23
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 http://offbeatr.com/project/pocket-pussies-rpg-adventure-for-ios-android-mobile-pc-50090199835 Oh hey, somebody decided to literally make Pokegirls: The Video Game
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genesplicer posted:Sometimes, if they are specialists and want specialized products, it's easier to pay for exactly what you want than to search through hours and hours of tangentially-related adult material. ...I would assume. It seems like most of the successful projects on Offbeatr are intended for unconventional sexual desires.
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death .cab for qt posted:
whooo! in for $1000 Did anyone notice that the art isnt his? He is just grabbing stuff off DA with "Used as a concept drawing reference"
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Fauxtool posted:whooo! in for $1000 Edit: quote:Some of the artwork for this pitch is currently being used as examples and inspiration for what the eventual artwork created by our artists will be. As the team finishes the final pieces, we will replace and show you exactly what we have and this should be on a regular basis in the coming days and weeks. I was close. Edit: Actually, I am pretty surprised that somebody who draws this stuff isn't interested in being in the project. Probably has been in failed project before 
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death .cab for qt posted:
12 paragraphs for the plot of a porn game. It's not even that good a plot. I wasn't really enthused about this project, but that concept art by Slugbox sure won me over! And by 'won me over' I mean "no thanks, that anatomy is completely unappealing as gently caress and often looks like two halves of two separate bodies were stitched together, also the glossy-as-gently caress rendering is terrible but people eat that poo poo up because it's superficially kawaii, ECKS DEE". Also, you know, the whole "dudes literally owning women/female monsters as attack dogs/sex slaves and they level up to become sexier sex slaves" thing. Also also, that girl on the cover(?) of the game looks like the girl from that Anonymous Agony abortion of a Kickstarter project. EDIT - I have to say that pixelart is the tits.
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Jedit posted:Yes, after the backlash that resulted from her asking them to play for beer, hugs and merchandise. From what I understood, the backlash didn't come from the people who volunteered. It came from third parties who were pissed that these volunteers weren't paid. Excuse my ignorance but isn't the point of volunteering is to do something because you want to, not to get paid? It seems to me the real jerks in this situation are the guys who started bitching about it.
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Tazzillekki posted:From what I understood, the backlash didn't come from the people who volunteered. It came from third parties who were pissed that these volunteers weren't paid. Excuse my ignorance but isn't the point of volunteering is to do something because you want to, not to get paid? It seems to me the real jerks in this situation are the guys who started bitching about it. Well she's still asking people to do work, essentially the same work she's getting paid for, for free. It's not like they're volunteering for charity or something. Being a working musician isn't the easiest thing and telling people that they'll get exposure if they play for you is bullshit when you're not willing to pay them.
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Xandu posted:Being a working musician isn't the easiest thing and telling people that they'll get exposure if they play for you is bullshit when you're not willing to pay them. "But if you really enjoy doing it then you shouldn't NEED to get paid! And anyway it's work experience that will look good on your resume! Stop being so spoiled, if you wanted money you'd get a REAL job!" 
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StevenM posted:"But if you really enjoy doing it then you shouldn't NEED to get paid! And anyway it's work experience that will look good on your resume! Stop being so spoiled, if you wanted money you'd get a REAL job!" If the idea of doing unpaid volunteer work sucks, then don't volunteer to it.
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How is asking for financial support with no direct profit to the financier perfectly okay but asking for musical support while offering nothing but exposure and beer is unbelievably evil? Don't coddle them, they're adults and know what's in their best interest. Also, nice strawman, StevenM.
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Hbomberguy posted:If the idea of doing unpaid volunteer work sucks, then don't volunteer to it. If the idea of being called an rear end in a top hat sucks, then don't be an rear end in a top hat.
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Jedit posted:Yes, after the backlash that resulted from her asking them to play for beer, hugs and merchandise. Can't we all just agree that Amanda Palmer is a loving terrible person and a lovely musician?
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Well, this is special. Portland as a tarot deck. I mean, look at this. And I have no idea what this is. Not a single clue.
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StevenM posted:I wasn't really enthused about this project, but that concept art by Slugbox sure won me over! And by 'won me over' I mean "no thanks, that anatomy is completely unappealing as gently caress and often looks like two halves of two separate bodies were stitched together, also the glossy-as-gently caress rendering is terrible but people eat that poo poo up because it's superficially kawaii, ECKS DEE". Hey guess what, fetish art is really hosed because it's geared towards getting people off by exaggeration, both in the body proportions and posing. If you wanted to show off how weird a pokemon porn game would be just link to the original artist's profile on deviantart, that's more than enough to convince people what a horrifying idea it is. Also, I hope you aren't the person who made that blog because that's a really sad way to waste time.
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Tazzillekki posted:From what I understood, the backlash didn't come from the people who volunteered. It came from third parties who were pissed that these volunteers weren't paid. Excuse my ignorance but isn't the point of volunteering is to do something because you want to, not to get paid? It seems to me the real jerks in this situation are the guys who started bitching about it. Yeah, I never understood the fuzz. The people knew in advance if or if they aren't getting paid, nobody forced them at gunpoint to work or play on the tour. It's not really something outrageous or uncommon for lesser known band to tour with well-known bands for basically free, because they know the exposure can be worth it thousand times more than a few thousand bucks. Anyway, I got her album for 3 Dollar or so thanks to her Kickstarter, I'm satisfied. Decius has a new favorite as of 06:45 on May 23, 2013 |
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Tazzillekki posted:How is asking for financial support with no direct profit to the financier perfectly okay but asking for musical support while offering nothing but exposure and beer is unbelievably evil? Don't coddle them, they're adults and know what's in their best interest. Unpaid internships should be illegal for a reason. I have no problem with non profit organisations seeking volunteers, but entities that are in business for profit are taking advantage of their power and clout to get poo poo for free, and that isn't right.
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Fatkraken posted:Celebrity kickstarters might actually increase traffic to the site as a whole (and by extension funding to smaller projects) by drawing in an entirely new audience. If someone goes to the site for Veronica mars they have a non zero chance of seeing the blurbs for other projects that might interest them or simply getting interested in the site and browsing around Ah yes: "raising awareness".
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Tazzillekki posted:How is asking for financial support with no direct profit to the financier perfectly okay but asking for musical support while offering nothing but exposure and beer is unbelievably evil? Don't coddle them, they're adults and know what's in their best interest. Because in the former case, the person asking didn't have $1.1m in their pocket. You may also want to look at Kickstarter's staff recruitment page, where they tell you all about how Palmer invited them to a VIP party after the funding drive. How strange that she had enough money to throw a party for strangers, but not enough to pay people she needed to tour her album.
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Maluco Marinero posted:Unpaid internships should be illegal for a reason. I have no problem with non profit organisations seeking volunteers, but entities that are in business for profit are taking advantage of their power and clout to get poo poo for free, and that isn't right. Exactly. Even if the people who are involved are happy to be exploited, it's really bad for everyone ELSE and for struggling musicians as a group. It sets a precedent, lets people who can afford to pay get away with not paying and makes life harder for people who actually need to get paid to survive. Bands that were living hand to mouth off their performances could not get onto this tour as initially planned because of income they would lose out on by doing it. This is a huge reason unpaid internships are really bad, because the kids from working class backgrounds simply can't afford to live in New York or LA or whatever for six months with no income, so it closes off a bunch of industries from entire socioeconomic groups. Imagine if you wanted a job as a whatever and were told great, you can totally do that but we're not paying you for the first two years, and some rich gently caress got the job instead because he had the savings to live with no income for that time. The rich guy is acting in his best interest, the company is acting in their best interest, but it really sucks to be you in that situation If you're making money off of peoples work, you pay them a fair portion of that money, whether they ask to be paid or not. quote:Don't coddle them, they're adults and know what's in their best interest. So are Scabs. Scabbing is good for the scab and good for the boss and bad for workers as a whole. That's why it's bad.
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The way I see it, money isn't the only thing you can gain from these kinds of volunteering work. The fact that for any reason you cannot afford to take advantage of this internship is not the company's problem. It's not the rich guy's problem. It's not a problem at all. You just lack the resources. I took an internship last summer out of town and it was hard as gently caress on my bank account. I had to borrow money, crash on a acquaintance's couch and all that jazz. I still came out with a net gain from the experience even if I was overall poorer for it. Cash doesn't rule everything around me.
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Haha, screw you dude. Lack the resources? Try telling someone who's lived hand to mouth their entire god drat life, stuck in genuine poverty, that the only way to get a solid job is to work FOR FREE, for years and we MIGHT give you a job. Cash doesn't rule everything to you because your basic needs are met by what you have access to. For those whose definition of making sacrifices is in losing genuine necessities, skipping meals, and so on, cash is important. This is non-negotiable, without cashflow they will be homeless and/or starving, and that's an awfully difficult situation to bootstraps yourself out of. Supporting the bottom line of companies with free labour may serve you in the short term, but you're selling out everyone around you in the process. But, uhhh... Awful Kickstarters... yep.
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Tazzillekki posted:The way I see it, money isn't the only thing you can gain from these kinds of volunteering work. The fact that for any reason you cannot afford to take advantage of this internship is not the company's problem. It's not the rich guy's problem. It's not a problem at all. You just lack the resources. I took an internship last summer out of town and it was hard as gently caress on my bank account. I had to borrow money, crash on a acquaintance's couch and all that jazz. I still came out with a net gain from the experience even if I was overall poorer for it. Scab.
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