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jivjov posted:Local and interstellar communications are rather different beasts, I imagine. Fair point. Though I'd just assumed they always used subspace for all ship to ship communication.
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Na'at posted:Except that everyone meeting in that room who got shot up were captains of, ya know star ships. So where the hell did all their ships go? "Somebody dies and we all move up in rank."
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May 29, 2013 05:49
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SMG, you are by far my favorite poster ever. Even more than Broken Loose during his 40k days.
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May 29, 2013 06:03
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Na'at posted:If their communicators were out then how were they communicating with the Admiral? If their communicators were out then how did Spock have a chat with himself on New Vulcan?
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Alchenar posted:If their communicators were out then how did Spock have a chat with himself on New Vulcan? That's enough of your filthy verisimilitude, sir. Let your imagination free. Now enjoy all the obsessive attention to CG rendering and detailed green boobs.
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I can't imagine killing a room full of commanding officers would impede Starfleet operations in any way. 
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Standard Star Fleet protocol states that when a room full of captains is murdered their ships must be scattered to the four corners of the galaxy immediately. Also, how lucky is Kirk that hermaphrodite alien tribbles and genetically engineered super humans have compatible blood?
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sean10mm posted:I can't imagine killing a room full of commanding officers would impede Starfleet operations in any way. If anything that would imply that their ships would still be in Earth orbit. e: it might have broken from the hamfisted 9/11 metaphor that doesn't really make any sense but perhaps it would have been better for the battle to have happened with Starbase One visible in the background and Khan crashing the Vengeance into it and the Starships scrambling to undock.
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Non-smartass observation: The villain-in-chief was also the admiral in charge of all the ships around Earth (he chaired the meeting of all their captains that got shot up), and the one who selected the Enterprise for the mission (for the logical reason that Kirk wanted personal revenge for Pike's killing and thus would be more easily manipulated.) So... Won't the rest of the fleet be where he drat well wants it to be? Which I'm guessing would be way the heck away from wherever he's staging a tense confrontation with the Enterprise using a top-secret warship nobody is supposed to know about? And Kirk told him would be headed back to Earth with Harrison/Khan, so wouldn't the admiral would have a pretty good idea where that might end up if he has to chase them? sean10mm fucked around with this message at 14:07 on May 29, 2013 |
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May 29, 2013 14:04
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Alchenar posted:If their communicators were out then how did Spock have a chat with himself on New Vulcan? That's the first person he calls after comms gets restored. This is said in the film.
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sean10mm posted:Won't the rest of the fleet be where he drat well wants it to be? Yeah, wouldn't the fleet be positioned for war to break out with the Klingons?
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Lord Krangdar posted:Yeah, wouldn't the fleet be positioned for war to break out with the Klingons? Yep. Admiral Robocop would have assumed all was going according to plan right up until Scotty disabled his ship. Having whatever elements of the fleet positioned to take maximum advantage of their pre-emptive strike, with the Vengeance as flagship/tying up loose ends. Of course his plan then goes all to poo poo, and maybe the fleet was right behind (but traveling slower or w/e) at the speed of plot, and arrive just in time to see the ship crash.
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I recall something way before release about Abrams saying he would use less lense flare in this movie. I felt like there was less. This was a good decision.
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Na'at posted:Also, how lucky is Kirk that hermaphrodite alien tribbles and genetically engineered super humans have compatible blood? It all ties in with Prometheus.
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May 29, 2013 20:27
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The point of the Tribble scene(s) is to jokingly compare Kirk to the lowliest piece-of-poo poo creature in the universe.
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But Tribbles aren't Bajorans 
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The point of the Tribble scene(s) is to jokingly compare Kirk to the lowliest piece-of-poo poo creature in the universe.
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May 29, 2013 22:42
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It's unforgivable that Bones didn't discover the tribble was alive by opening a compartment and having dozens spill out.
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Lord Krangdar posted:Internal conflict within the Federation has been part of the series for some time. For example, the Maquis. Signaling the precise moment Star Trek lost its mass appeal.
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Supercar Gautier posted:It's unforgivable that Bones didn't discover the tribble was alive by opening a compartment and having dozens spill out. Well now I'm really mad.
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One thing that made me chuckle is that the Dreadnaught made "big scary spaceship noises" that were totally unnecessary. Some sort of klaxon/submarine alarm when they jump out of warp, and the electric buzz sound in warp space.
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Supercar Gautier posted:It's unforgivable that Bones didn't discover the tribble was alive by opening a compartment and having dozens spill out. I wanted this to be the stinger
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mr. stefan posted:Speaking as someone who thought STID was a pretty average film at best with a lot of problems, I don't really understood the criticism of how the Enterprise is always the only ship in the sector. I mean, this isn't TNG where they have magic factory boxes that can poo poo out fully built spaceships with the press of a button, interstellar starships are probably a pretty big investment of time and resources best used for, you know, interstellar exploration rather than chilling in orbit around Earth waiting for some invasion fleet or giant black space dildo or unsubtle communist metaphor to roll in. Usually "the sector" is just some random place in the middle of the nowhere. I tend to think of it as akin to how it's easy to call for backup in New York City, but if you're facing down gangster buffalo in Wyoming, yeah, you're probably on your own. I didn't think this was much of an issue in '09, since the implication seemed to be that Nero had already destroyed every ship within spitting distance of Earth save for the Enterprise during the fight near Vulcan. When Nemesis did the same thing, I had the exact same complaint that the posters here are expressing about Into Darkness.
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Some Guy TT posted:Usually "the sector" is just some random place in the middle of the nowhere. I tend to think of it as akin to how it's easy to call for backup in New York City, but if you're facing down gangster buffalo in Wyoming, yeah, you're probably on your own. I didn't think this was much of an issue in '09, since the implication seemed to be that Nero had already destroyed every ship within spitting distance of Earth save for the Enterprise during the fight near Vulcan. When Nemesis did the same thing, I had the exact same complaint that the posters here are expressing about Into Darkness.
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Still surprised they didn't name the Dreadnought Starship as Reliant. That's the only thing that surprised me, given all the other references.
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I was talking about Into Darkness with some coworkers today and I realized what one of my main problems with this series has been. All of the TOS/WoK/TUC references are delivered by someone elbowing me in the ribs and saying, "Get it?!" and the reason I hate this so much is because it reminds me of that really, really lovely scene in like season 1 of Enterprise where Captain Archer is talking about interfering with alien cultures and says something like "There needs to be some kind of....directive  " and I just wanted to smash my television set out of rage.And now JJ Abrams has given me two separate 2 hour long versions of that scene.
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Locutus of Bald posted:And now JJ Abrams has given me two separate 2 hour long versions of that scene. Well, at least in a few years we'll have Chris Pine using the bridge set to sell IT software. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWMrMmrE_es
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I think, by far, the best thing to come out of this film is John Cho taking the piss and passive-aggressively giving JJ Abrams and the casting director poo poo in interviews.
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Blistex posted:I think, by far, the best thing to come out of this film is John Cho taking the piss and passive-aggressively giving JJ Abrams and the casting director poo poo in interviews.
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John Cho is 40. What the gently caress? The dude is like in his late 20s or 30s to me. Still, seems like a cool dude.
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Lord Krangdar posted:Yeah, wouldn't the fleet be positioned for war to break out with the Klingons? Don't have anything guarding your capital that's just been attacked? Twice?
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yronic heroism posted:Don't have anything guarding your capital that's just been attacked? Twice? Strategic tactical realism strikes again.
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Lord Krangdar posted:Yeah, wouldn't the fleet be positioned for war to break out with the Klingons? Cingulate fucked around with this message at 16:26 on May 30, 2013 |
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Supercar Gautier posted:It's unforgivable that Bones didn't discover the tribble was alive by opening a compartment and having dozens spill out. Having Kirk's corpse get covered in tribbles that fall from an overhead compartment prompt Bones to have a eureka moment would have been the best possible call back.
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Cingulate posted:"A ship under my direct command was destroyed on a secret mission in Klingon space under unclear circumstances. Clearly, an act of unilateral, unprovoked aggression! Conveniently, we already had the fleet parked in a perfect position for retaliation." I assume to avoid that the actual plan would have to involve the Klingons either formally declaring war or just launching a massive offensive. Or so my limited movie-text-ignoring, fun-hater brain speculates, but then why leave Earth of all places undefended? Klingons can just warp in, pound it to rubble, and win straight up. api call girl posted:Strategic tactical realism strikes again. You've been reminding me of a favorite quote: Wag the Movie posted:If we believe (incorrectly) that our tastes in entertainment define us as people, then a negative review of a movie becomes more than just an opinion of a film. It becomes a personal attack. That’s what these people are going through. They have put so much of themselves into their media that critiquing a work in their brain is the equivalent of deliberately accosting them and all they hold dear. As someone who writes about film all the time, I can easily see where this can occur. This is, after all, the internet, which is a place where thoughtful discussion can happen, but seldom does. Instead, we’re hesitant to listen to others’ points, and happier with a never-ending backlog of “NO YOU’RE WRONG.”
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That's a fantastic Bulverism. Seriously, I'm in awe. Totally speechless. I'm floundering here.
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I'm sure both of you have valuable things to say about, for or against movie. No need to make it personal, and no enjoyment to read it, either.Na'at posted:Having Kirk's corpse get covered in tribbles that fall from an overhead compartment prompt Bones to have a eureka moment would have been the best possible call back. Cingulate fucked around with this message at 17:27 on May 30, 2013 |
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quote:I'm sure both of you have valuable things to say about for or against movie. No need to make it personal, and no enjoyment to read it, either. e: sounds about right Going off that, I thought it would have been cooler if an angry Spock starts out losing the fight to Khan and then regains his composure to unleash really logical Vulcan fight moves. Instead they went with the reverse. The "get a lot tougher when you're angry" bit is more of a Star Wars motif. I freely admit this is nitpicking. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 17:31 on May 30, 2013 |
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Gatts posted:John Cho is 40. What the gently caress? The dude is like in his late 20s or 30s to me. Still, seems like a cool dude. Holy poo poo! I would have guessed early thirties at most. Na'at posted:Having Kirk's corpse get covered in tribbles that fall from an overhead compartment prompt Bones to have a eureka moment would have been the best possible call back. Oh my god now I too am quite mad about this. 
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