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Some more stuff I've tried to match with Jackson Square Superimposing the inner clock circle over jackson square fits quite well, looking at an old image from the 1900s the bushes stuck up like ramparts at intervals simlar to can be seen with the dark parts of the clock circle. http://imgur.com/CWywLBt Bloke fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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quote:As for aces high? Thems cardgame terms. Well, Armstrong park has the municipal auditorium, which up until the opening of the Harrah Casino in 1999 was itself a Casino. Maybe you could say that Armstrong, which appears on the entrance arch in large letters, sounds as if he's from the sky (Neil Armstrong). Interesting about the casino.
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Regarding the object of Twain's Attention - has anyone looked into a possible connection regarding his wife?
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General This may have been brought up at this point. The thread has exploded in the last two days and I'm trying to catch up. Just a nit picky thing, there are twelve casks, twelve birthstones, and twelve hours on a timepiece in every illustration. Shouldn't 1 o'clock be considered cask #1 ... Noon/Midnight #12? Also, has anyone thought of looking at a Rand-McNally Road Atlas circa 81, rather than Google maps?
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StinkyMeat posted:I found his son on Facebook but it seems a tad invasive to bother him with any of this. I'll just keep staring at Google Maps and hope for the best. (I've tried contacting just about anyone with any connection to this book at one time or another. Exchanged a couple of messages with Kit...seems like a friendly dude but he's not giving anything away and neither is his dad. I think BP told practically no-one and swore the rest of them to secrecy. The artist who made the casques, Jo-Ellen Trilling, was also quite friendly...knows nothing, but I think she might still have a couple of the original dolls from the book's illustrations for sale if anyone wants a souvenir.)
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BJG posted:Re: high-resolution scans of the images, there's a set here... You're probably stretching it with the bending branches and the palm given that it's in Florida, particularly in an area where there's either a set of bent branches (in a row) or a palm in just about every park and town. The hydrant also seems a bit of a stretch.
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Tjadeth posted:Let me add it into the thing I worked out earlier with the flowers/jewels/times/months; it might shake a few thoughts loose for others in the thread. I'm interested in the possibility that the zodiac is in there as well, though I haven't been able to do anything with it. Possible Zodiac correspondences with image months. 1. June - Gemini 2. April - Aries 3. Jan - Capricorn 4. Mar - Pisces 5. May - Taurus (Chicago bulls) 6. Sept - Virgo 7. Dec - Sagittarius 8. July - Cancer (96 suggested as a coordinate) 9. Oct - Libra 10. Feb - Aquarius 11. Aug - Leo 12. Nov - Scorpio BJG fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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What the hell does that mean?
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Delthalaz posted:What the hell does that mean? You're right, I've ditched that bit.
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ZombieLenin posted:Here's a question regarding the Montreal/St. Louis puzzle. Is, or was, there any indication from the author that he was placing any of these caches outside the United States? I'm still catching up with this thread so apologies if I repeat stuff, but Byron apparently confirmed this. ******************************************* From : <BPreiss@aol.com> Sent : Monday, April 7, 2003 2:08 PM Subject : Re: "The Secret" thanks! yes, there is a treasure in Canada. ********************************************* Mind you, in a different email he also said: "Very impressive work esp since the book is 20 years old. I think you deserve to know that you are correct about st. Louid,but not correct about the location.thanks for all your excellent work." IMHO the only candidate for either of these locations is Image 9, and Montreal seems more likely because of the "legeater" discovery... Personally I therefore regard the "St Louis" reference as an oblique hint about New Orleans; St Louis Cathedral or Louis Armstrong Park or something. Apropos of nothing, here's another old newspaper article about the puzzle...I only mention it because it's pretty obscure and I only recently came across it. http://kspot.org/trove/ct_111682a.jpg http://kspot.org/trove/ct_111682b1.jpg http://kspot.org/trove/ct_111682b2.jpg (Nothing to do with me, but also a bunch of other stuff in there like albums from Forest Park and Lake Park.) BJG fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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Bea Nanner posted:NO Could that be a Griffon's head? As in a heraldic griffon? I don't know anything about the meaning of heraldry though, It's gotta be a clue. Edit: wasn't there a goon who did an Ask/Tell about Heraldry? Kiss Kiss Bang Bang fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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MontrealMassaShowtime posted:Montreal The Montreal Grand Prix is hosted on Île Notre-Dame, which is also a park. MassaShowtime posted:
It could stand for Pius IX. I think there's a street in Montreal called Pie IX. Random guess for the stair pattern, maybe it represents the Citcadel?
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McIneri posted:In reference to CASK 2 in Charleston. I have some excellent fuel to add to the fire. While at work today my girlfriend (who works for the Ft. Sumter National Monument) took one of the Ft. Sumter brochures and drew the same clock dial seeming lines onto the map. Fricken sweet! However how do you get her to take us there for free!? I don't wanna spend another 15 bucks to go see the fort! Last time I was there i didn't see any trees really. I'm still tolling over which verse is in regards to charleston.
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Can we go dig up the cask in Ft. Sumter on July 13th? I'll be there that weekend!
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CHARLESTON A few more thoughts, some of which may be repetitious: Presuming we're on verse six: quote:Between two arms extended Those three lines seem like they're the "x marks the spot" for this verse. "Between two arms extended" seems like it probably means the two arms of a statue. There are two separate statues in Charleston's White Point Gardens that have extended arms. The first is the Confederate Memorial out on the point. Two statues each waving an arm around. If that's it, the "Bar that Binds" could be the dike wall of Charleston, which bars the ocean from flooding the city and binds the city together as well. "Beside the long palm's shadow" could be a palmetto tree or the palm of a statue (perhaps at the time of day/month noted on the clock?). One interesting point with this theory is that inset into the dike wall, directly opposite and in front of the Confederate Memorial statue, is a marker pointing out Fort Sumter dead ahead in the harbor and Fort Moultrie off to the side. There's another statue with an extended arm in the park, though -- the Sergeant Jasper memorial. If we draw a line between that and the Confederate memorial, that would be "between two arms extended" also. If we really want to get crazy "arms" could refer to the cannons.
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NO Sounds from the sky is almost certainly Calliope music (imo). Steamboats do it and it echos for miles. It's a very New Orleans thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calliope_(music)
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McStabby posted:Montreal Pie IX is a street that pretty much cross Montreal completely from South to North. It's also a metro station on the green line that is neat the Olympic Park. It's nowhere near the legeater statue though.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:CHARLESTON I really like your interpretation of the "between two arms extended" bit. I've been spending all this time trying to think of statues with both arms out and how you could start between/below those arms, but it makes a lot more sense to actually be looking at a line going between two different statues with extended arms. If you think of stuff like this, please Update the Spreadsheet!
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San Francisco I just want to point out that nobody has made a good match on this barred window yet: Speculation in the OP said it represented Alcatraz, but the problem is I don't think anything on Alcatraz looks like this. I did some google image searching for 'Alcatraz Window' and the like, nothing comes up like this. The Coit tower has windows with this shape, but no bars. I would expect the casque to be in the immediate vicinity of this window, if we can find it.
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McStabby posted:Montreal Don't know anything about Montreal but Saint Louis was Louis IX of France and I know St. Louis has been bandied about as a place in Montreal.
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Milwaukee Looked up the etymology of the word story. It's suggested that its meaning as a floor of a building is possibly derived from historia, "perhaps so called because the front of buildings in the Middle Ages often were decorated with rows of painted windows" (from the Chambers Dictionary of Etymology). I've also found that it could refer to a row of sculptures. So we may be looking for a row of paintings or sculptures related to Mitchell, or tangentially related.
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NO Nothing jumped out at me, but if you're familiar with the area, it can't hurt to go over this list and see if something for Ace makes sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_(disambiguation) fanpantstic posted:Aren't those runes of some sort? I don't know about the flag. BJG posted:I was interested in the idea that the white rock would represent this shape in the coastline... Dr. Benway posted:Also, has anyone thought of looking at a Rand-McNally Road Atlas circa 81, rather than Google maps?
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BJG posted:Possible Zodiac correspondences with image months. It's worth noting that the armor's head on Cask 3 totally looks like a goat head (Capricorn). If nothing else, I hope this kind of thing narrows the picture hints down for the rest of you, so that you're not wasting time on dead ends like "Wait, but why does the armor have horns? It must be there for a reason. I bet it has to do with this obscure statue about forty miles away from the area in question..."
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justsomedude posted:Are the other supposedly "established" links between verses and illustrations less half-baked and lame than this one, or do we need to reexamine all of them? Don't be so mad when someone disagrees with your theory unless you've dug that cask up already.
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He's right though, some of the leaps that people are making in this thread are absolutely ridiculous. Look at the solved riddles again, these are pictures and verses that will make sense once you know what you're looking at. It doesn't seem like he was counting on people to have arcane knowledge of 80 year old forgotten speeches or of long-dead Brazilian mineralogists. It's great that people are trying to dig deep and find some solid leads but it just seems like some theories would benefit from a little more time in the cooker.
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CronoGamer posted:He's right though, some of the leaps that people are making in this thread are absolutely ridiculous. Look at the solved riddles again, these are pictures and verses that will make sense once you know what you're looking at. It doesn't seem like he was counting on people to have arcane knowledge of 80 year old forgotten speeches or of long-dead Brazilian mineralogists. The solved riddles were really easy in comparison to the unsolved ones. The chicago one in particular. Don't get mad son, that's all I'm sayin.
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Strongylocentrotus posted:Roanoke We all agree that the verse leads you to the Elizabethan garden itself (though another theory of mine is that it doesn't take you into the garden, and instead you follow the path by the 1896 marker stone). It is then possible that it is leading you down the path to where you can see the wright memorial (I think the path by the marker stone ends at the beach where you can see the memorial from as well, though neither I nor my wife remember for sure and no one has confirmed that to me yet). So one way or another we get to the point where we can see the wright memorial from across the water. A Path beckons To mica and driftwood Under that Which may be last touched Or first seen standing The memorial is made out of granite, which has a lot of mica in it, and it looks like a wing. Also, earlier someone pointed out that the bit of armor sticking up on the right arm looks like the wing from across the water. The driftwood could be a reference to going across the water, ending up at the memorial. "Under that which may last be touched or first seen standing" is a complete mystery to me. As for the memorial itself, if you have crossed the water already then when we look at the following lines... Look north at the wing And dig To achieve By dauntless and inconquerable Determination Your goal. ..."look north at the wing" does not mean stand at the Elizabethan gardens and look north towards the wing, it then mean go to the wing and look north. In other words, The line could correctly be read to be saying "Look north [while standing] at the wing" I think it might be at the landing spot of the first flight because that is north of the wing itself, and that would be the goal that the wright brothers were shooting for; a successful flight. So "By dauntless and inconquerable Determination" they reached their goal of successful flight and landing. The verse says that is our goal as well. A few other things that may indicate this are that the armor in the image itself looks a bit like the wright brothers plane with its arms extended and the wooden supports and wires around them. I think the field that the brothers flew from was grazing land for cattle, which might explain the helmet looking so bovine like. Plus, the part about the wing and the Wright brothers at the end of the verse is 6 lines long. That is fully 30% of the verse which are dedicated to it (not including the first 2 lines of the entire verse); it seems as if this might be more important than just telling you that you should be able to see the memorial from the spot where the sugar bowl is buried. And now that I think about it, you could look at the verse as a whole as a clue for the hunt; it starts by talking about the memorial and then after a bunch of twists and turns it ends by talking about the memorial again. Maybe that is what we should be doing, starting at the memorial, following the twists and turning clues, and then ending up back at the memorial, which is our "goal". I wish I could go to the wright brothers museum and memorial to see if anything in the illustration matches up with it.
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I feel like of all the unfound casks the Roanoke one seems the closest to being found, especially since we can't even agree on which picture or verse is for New York yet.
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BJG posted:I'm interested in the possibility that the zodiac is in there as well, though I haven't been able to do anything with it. Is this the Capricorn in 3? Capricorn: Capricorn Rotated: JG_Plissken fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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SheepNameKiller posted:I feel like of all the unfound casks the Roanoke one seems the closest to being found, especially since we can't even agree on which picture or verse is for New York yet. The picture is definitely NYC greater area imo, since it's got the latitude/longitude in it. I agree that the verse is not definitively linked to the picture though. The Edwin/Edwina verse has some weight to it being NYC I think, especially since the citadel verse is almost definitely Charleston which would rule out Edwin/Edwina as a Charleston candidate based solely on the SC connection.
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NoSoup4U posted:San Francisco I assumed that was there more to give the impression of a prison on a rock island, not to mirror an actual landmark.
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Milwaukee I think I figured out the blue hood, though I don't think it helps us much. Earlier, it was suggested that it might be the Domes, but it's a little too oddly shaped for that: BJG posted:The domes are an interesting possibility... It looks a lot more like Milwaukee Bay, and it's suspiciously blue, suggesting water: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=milwa...waukee+Bay&z=11 I think it's a general indication of where to start, and it matches up with the (very definite) "Wi" in the lady's hair, indicating Wisconsin, and the sort-of "M" right above that for Milwaukee. It doesn't really narrow anything down, because Milwaukee Bay covers pretty much everywhere we've been looking.
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So I tired a proper, written summary, but because we're running off a blot of speculations it really just turned into a big confusing "what if" for each of the casks, and would have confused more people than it would have helped! So instead you get plan b, everything that's been posted so far about each cask, I hope this suffices! Also, because I'm more than certain we will need the space, I'm making each cask a separate post, the Boston one alone is only slightly under the post limit. Also, general gets a category here: Absolute Lithops posted:General Absolute Lithops posted:General Pilot to Gunner posted:It's really easy to make things match if you want them to. Me and a friend jokingly decided to pick a random city to assign to cask 12 and went with Detroit. Within a few minutes we had a lot of "evidence" that it was Detroit. Cars do abound in Detroit! Isle of B is Belle Isle! The lion face on her dress is the lion from the Scott Memorial Fountain! Native to indies might mean Alexander Hamilton and there is the Alexander Hamilton Middle School! Whoa, and a nearby sign dedicated to native americans! 3 vols= the big 3 carmakers but if they are referring to Dante's three volumes, there is also that statue of Dante on Belle Isle and he was rhapsodic! The largest skyscraper in Detroit is grey and rectangular! Tjadeth posted:I had no idea we were this close to this one. Someone needs to get out there and start looking for fairies and gnomes/fates & earths and poo poo. Also poking holes in the ground. BJG posted:This book does have some really obscure things in it. Like, "Edwin and Edwina named after him" is borrowed from P164 of a book called "Abroad in America". Emacs Headroom posted:What if we work backwards, and assume that the author would 1) have to be burying these things, and 2) would have to assume that they wouldn't get dug up or destroyed accidentally for the forseeable future (say 50-100 years). BJG posted:Each image has a well-established month with corresponding birth flower and birthstone. These are used with a verse in the book called the "litany" to find the country. BJG posted:I'm interested in the possibility that the zodiac is in there as well, though I haven't been able to do anything with it. CronoGamer posted:He's right though, some of the leaps that people are making in this thread are absolutely ridiculous. Look at the solved riddles again, these are pictures and verses that will make sense once you know what you're looking at. It doesn't seem like he was counting on people to have arcane knowledge of 80 year old forgotten speeches or of long-dead Brazilian mineralogists.
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Cask 1//San FranVelvet Sparrow posted:Verse #7 may go with San Francisco. It mentions 'Twain's attention' with 'Twain' capitalized (Mark Twain spent time in San Francisco), that may refer to Calaveras County from his story, 'The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County'. The 'giant pole' may refer to Coit Tower. Number_6 posted:I can't add anything to the interpretation of Verse #7, but as a mere tourist to San Francisco several times, something about the image for Cask 1 just shouts "Coit Tower" or "Alcatraz" to me. gogobunny posted:Anyway, I got really fixated on that "sweet smell" clue, and the first things that came to mind were either the rose garden in Golden Gate Park, or Ghirardelli Square. Ghirardelli Square has the added bonus of being right across the water from Alcatraz, since I do think that's supposed to be Alcatraz in the background there, plus it's close to several parks. Golden Gate park kinda fits with the Asian motif of the illustration, though, since it's got a Japanese garden and a Chinese style gazebo. Most of the other clues in the verse I have no idea about. old dog child posted:Alcatraz Gardens on Angel Island maybe? I have no idea if that was a park back then but it fits the picture. Dragon (immigration), rose (garden), big rear end island (Angel Island), towers (missile batteries, watch towers, etc). Rocks in the back over the horizon could be the SF skyline as seen from across the bay. auPHE posted:As far as this goes, I think that Ghirardelli Square makes a huge amount of sense--in addition to having a view of Alcatraz (which many were reminded of by the window in the picture), there's an urban legend (that even I heard about on a short trip there) saying that inmates of Alcatraz could, on particularly windy days, smell chocolate across the water from the square. So I would say it's likely that #1 is buried in either Fort Mason Green or SF Maritime National Historic Park, both located nearby Ghirardelli Square and with a view of Alcatraz. Howard The Dork posted:For SF: Running north but first across. Occams taser posted:Verse 6 is for the one in San Francisco. shoemonkey posted:Edit: This goes with what occam's taser said above. John Dough posted:I live on the wrong continent to add any local knowledge, but I know that the US has a lot of geographic information publicly available online. Some quick searching led me to The National Map of the US Geological Survey. They have historical maps available of all major cities, dating back to the 19th century. Obviously, it's no Google Maps, but it does allow you to see, for example, that that park in San Francisco did use to be a military base. This map is from 1976: 12_String posted:Then there is this, another "object Of Twain's attention": 12_String posted:Then there is this, another "object Of Twain's attention": Absolute Lithops posted:Cask 1, San Francisco Obdicut posted:Verse 7 really feels like San Francisco to me. allta posted:Some more things from that forum about San Francisco(cask 1). You know when you have a picture but instead of looking at it straight on you hold if infront of you looking the long way? Pawn 17 posted:Some history of the Lincoln Highway in SF: Absolute Lithops posted:General Absolute Lithops posted:San Francisco Cask 1, San Francisco I think the possible torii clue in (see the annotated pics on the first page) may give a hint about the cask's specific location. Even though torii are Japanese, not Chinese. M2tt posted:San Francisco ChickenOfTomorrow posted:CASK 1/SAN FRANCISCO Comstar posted:I mean if you look from where this picture was taken towards the hills - does it match? The other fourm seemed to indicate it was at the base of the light pole at the top of the stairs. ChickenOfTomorrow posted:SAN FRANCISCO/CASK 1 Essential posted:I've been researching the San Francisco one and assuming that verse 6 (with the 1913 Lincoln reference) is for SF here's what I've discovered: Nendil posted:Welp, I had thought about responding to ChickenOfTomorrow's plea yesterday to meet up and search for clues because SO and I were going to SF, but we went to the Legion of Honor instead as we had originally planned I like your thought process in matching up the verse, but just based on intuition and recollection, the location doesn't feel like it fits the specific-sounding instructions in the verse (nothing like "Below the bar that binds/Beside the long palm's shadow/Embedded in the sand"), nor is it a particularly inconspicuous place to dig (though I suppose you could get there after dark probably?). Anyway, I don't have any direct evidence to contradict this theory, just reporting the on-scene vibe Essential posted:San Francisco NoSoup4U posted:Here's another possibility pointing to the Legion Honor. I rode through there on a bike tour in 2010 and managed a grand total of three photos, including this one: Rydalia posted:SAN FRANCISCO Saganaut posted:San Francisco Essential posted:I'm with you on the Ghirardelli thoughts. Plus, anything that I've been able to find (official website/huge sign/etc. all spell it GHIRARDELLI, so capital H. Nendil posted:SAN FRANCISCO NoSoup4U posted:San Francisco
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Cask 2//CharlestonAdiabatic posted:Charleston Ixiggle posted:Looks like it, the old wiki suggests that too. I live in Charleston and its going to be very hard to resist the temptation to go looking for the cask now. No idea where to start on the riddle or the picture though. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, this one is pretty clearly Charleston. The pattern on the masks' forehead is the Charleston peninsula from the air, and the shape of the little mask is the shape of Fort Sumter from the air. Mr.Trifecta posted:I would say that the totem by the lion, if you look on its head, looks like water ways. Might be worth looking for something similar on the map for a similar waterway with a stretch of land, peninsula like. fishtobaskets posted:For Cask 12, I'm not a New Yorker, but the first thing I thought of looking at the picture & reading the verse was Liberty Island. allta posted:So, I was playing around with various image filters, to see if anything happened, and I noticed when on invtert the colours everything(at least in this case) gets a lot easier to see(caution nightmares): The Monkey Man posted:Cask 2 bonestructure posted:Cask 2 - Charleston SC clockworx posted:The colors on the mask are also representative of African culture: Orange_Lazarus posted:I guess this has already been noticed? TotalHell posted:Charleston, SC TotalHell posted:Charleston, SC Hieronymous Alloy posted:CHARLESTON McIneri posted:This morning I took a bit of time before work to take some pictures. This is in reference to CASK 2 and what I believe applies to Charleston VERSE 5. TotalHell posted:This post got me thinking, why not White Point Gardens? It may seem too obvious, but wasn't the whole idea that he suspected these things would be found? This is clearly very speculative, but I'd just like to add a case for White Point Gardens into the mix: Chadula posted:Charleston goon checking in. I agree with many things i've seen since i've been here. The crack to this i suspect is making sure we have the right verse. The citadel is an obvious thing. The thing that has me bothered (if it is verse two) is "Lane Two twenty two" and "Get permission to dig out". The first thing seems like it'd help with location in terms of an address, and the lader would seem to be that it WOULDN"T be in a public place. As you'd have to ask to dig. Also, assuming this guy had lots of time on his hands, he probably wouldn't have buried it in plain public sight/view. It takes time to dig 3 feet in the ground..... bonestructure posted:I'm still convinced that Cask 2 - Charleston goes with Verse 6, and a lot of it could fit White Point Gardens. Maybe the parts that didn't make it into the image are in the verse instead. Hieronymous Alloy posted:I think that's just a reference to diamond == africa = slave fairy in the picture, Charleston's history of slavery, etc. The midnight rock is presumably coal. bonestructure posted:The Battery and that little spit of sand down in the corner by Water St are continually pounded by the waves in the harbor. The "beach" changes in size and shape from month to month and sometimes from day to day if there are storms. Anything buried there would almost certainly be washed away. TotalHell posted:Plus that spit of sand is a far enough away from the battery that it seems to me like it would be an odd place to point to if the Garden was your starting location. BJG posted:The central theme of this book is the migration of elven races to America. In most cases the connection between a country and the location is probably just that it's connected with the influx of a certain people; eg Charleston's general African-American heritage. McIneri posted:In reference to CASK 2 in Charleston. I have some excellent fuel to add to the fire. While at work today my girlfriend (who works for the Ft. Sumter National Monument) took one of the Ft. Sumter brochures and drew the same clock dial seeming lines onto the map. TotalHell posted:This is an excellent idea. I am 100% copying you for the Charleston treasure. It'll make keeping our thoughts organized and sharing ideas much easier: Hieronymous Alloy posted:CHARLESTON
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Cask 3//Roanoke IslandStrongylocentrotus posted:Cask 3 clarification question: the map you posted at the top indicates Kill Devil Hills as the supposed site, but in your second post you say it is thought to be on Roanoke Island. There's a pretty significant difference between the two places, and it would help to know which one people think it is and why. Strongylocentrotus posted:Well, here's how I just (as in minutes ago) reached my conclusion about Roanoke being the locale of #3: Premeditated Toast posted:I grew up on the Outer Banks, and I think they may in fact be referring to it STARTING at Roanoke Island: Sham I Am posted:That the first line could be referring to Octave Chanute, who was friends with and helped out the Wright brothers. That would start you at kill devil hills. If that is the case I think you'd be going across the Baum bridge the opposite way than you are saying here, right? If you take The Window in "the land near The Window" to mean the Lost Colony Amphitheater, then it could still be the Elizabethan gardens. Sham I Am posted:That is where the Elizabethan gardens that we have been talking about are located. Strongylocentrotus posted:^^ Interesting interpretation of the wing bit. I think you can look toward the Wright Bros. Memorial from that trail... Mnemosyne posted:Sorry it's so sloppy, I'm using the touchpad of a laptop (and it's 3am). Mnemosyne posted:I'm not from the area, but the history I read said they built the gardens in the 50's, and placed that gazebo at the top of the circle loop in April of 1981, which is probably very close to when he buried the casks. Premeditated Toast posted:Cask 3/Roanoke Premeditated Toast posted:Cask 3/Roanoke Strongylocentrotus posted:Any idea how much storm surge exposure the northern soundside stretch of Roanoke's coast gets? I hope it hasn't been washed over too badly in the last two decade's storms. A sandy shore isn't the most stable of all places. Mnemosyne posted:Cask 3 / North Carolina Concept Theory posted:After showing the poem for the Sullivans Island location to one of my coworkers, he suggested reading the poem in reverse. It actually kinda makes sense that way. Any thoughts? Photos coming when I get off work. Sham I Am posted:Roanoke Comstar posted:The thread mentions there was a lot of brambles(?) at the place they thought it might be, and too many people around to do it without attracting attention. Edgecrush_td posted:Cask 3: Roanoke Island NC Strongylocentrotus posted:One of those (upper right) is St. George's Cross, which flies on flags above the entrance to the Elizabethan Gardens. Sham I Am posted:Roanoke BJG posted:Hi all - Sham I Am posted:This sounds plausible, but it bothers me that it is so out of line with the rest of the verse. the entire verse is linear, it leads you from the wright museum, to the bridge, to the gardens, but then in order for the above picture to be accurate you have to think he randomly inserted a line that tells you the final destination, and then followed it up by going back to a linear description of where to go. BJG posted:It's thought to mean the map of Roanoke which appears next to the window in the image. JG_Plissken posted:Cask 3 is at the Memorial Tower atop Kevin Devil Hill not far from Roanoke (drive across the bridge into Nags Head and turn north). The tower is a memorial to the Wright brothers who are friends with Octave Chanute. Strongylocentrotus posted:Roanoke Sham I Am posted:Roanoke
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Cask 6//St. AugustineWay Strong Pimphand posted:So this thread has officially eaten up a majority of my night, but I think I may have finally gotten somewhere with Cask #6. The Adama posted:I don't know about the turtle, but I definitely get a very dolphin/shark feel off of the upper right part of the rock. Maybe it's an indication that the site will have a view of the ocean? lnhostetler posted:I have a tenuous hypothesis regarding the Florida image. One line in Verse 9 reads, "At the base of a tall tree". What if that's referring to the tall tree pictured and the base of it, like 'X', marks the spot? Also, a Royal Palm (in the picture) Boulevard and a Rock Island (also pictured) Road, intersect in Margate, Florida--which is close to the base of the tree on the map. I might be reaching on this, I'm not sure. allta posted:I did some playing around with cask 6/St. Augustine,Fl and when you set the image to a high transparency(effictivly ignoring everything but the outlines of objects) you get left with a something a tad different: allta posted:This is the clearest I can get it before the face starts getting distorted. Rondette posted:ah yes, that also to my mind shows 2 others. The one circled in white looks upside-down to me. Kaiser Soze posted:When I saw the image for cask 6 on page one I immediately thought it looked like a face wearing a helmet, like a WW2 military style or a baseball helmet. The verse uses the words "base" and "limestone" (the lines on baseball fields are made with powdered limestone) and a green fence. So baseball field was my first impression combined with the helmet and face, but I often have baseball on the brain so I'm biased. allta posted:Cask 6/St.Augustine,FL KennyMan666 posted:Okay, there's one thing about the cask 6 picture that I keep seeing. I see it easier when the image is zoomed out, so this is not clickable: Mescal posted:More thoughts on verse 9. It almost feels like this poem was written by a different person than the others. The cadence is different. The rhythm seems to serve another purpose: maybe the syllables make up numbers. Syllable count by line: Fistgrrl posted:It's not been getting much play, but St. Augustine seems like the park is confirmed. It's marketed as an "archaelogist" park. I wonder if anyone's called the park and asked about digging for this treasure. Seems like it would be good PR for the park. Hot Dog Day #98 posted:Does anyone else see this or am I seeing what I want to see? SheepNameKiller posted:Cask 6 BJG posted:
sublyme posted:Finding more links to stone mountain being verse #7 with cask 6 picture: BJG posted:Re: high-resolution scans of the images, there's a set here...
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# ? Jun 5, 2013 16:56 |
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I've got to run now but the rest will be up periodically in a less spammy fashion, I'll also link them in the op. The main reason for all of this is the constant circles from someone missing a post on page 5 or 6 and then bringing up idea's we've already covered. It will also help with people who only care about 1 cask in particular!
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# ? Jun 5, 2013 16:58 |
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Cask 3 Roanoke Due to scheduling conflicts I couldn't make it down. My friend and I are trying to get in touch with people living there right now to see if they can scope things out, otherwise I can't make it until next week. Sham I Am posted:Roanoke
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SheepNameKiller posted:Don't be so mad when someone disagrees with your theory unless you've dug that cask up already. I'm not mad that someone disagrees with my theory. My theory is probably bullshit. I'm just surprised that some of the ideas we've been led to believe are fairly established are built on premises that seem so flimsy. I mean, if you can Google to find out that a random N.C. Supreme Court judge gave a speech to a ladies' club in a random town in North Carolina on 5/8/1913, you can also Google that zero monuments or landmarks were built for the judge or the event. Isn't that a hint that maybe your connection is a bit tenuous, at least? And then the "Edwin and Edwina named after him" is supposedly from a book that, when Googled, reveals the book in Google Books, and the book on Amazon with zero reviews, and that's it. No one talks about it or references it anywhere. Isn't that a hint that Preiss probably wouldn't use it as a clue? It makes me wonder if any of the illustration/verse pairings are trustworthy. Chilled Cactus fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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