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pumpinglemma posted:It sounds like this wasn't hatedrafting in the usual sense, it was hatedrafting to stop the card from being used in subsequent constructed games. Which is why incestuous metas are hilarious when it's the same 3 or 4 dudes who get together and bicker for 5 hours. If you live in a town with the same 7 magic players, recruit more players. It is not only absurdly achievable with a little energy put into it but it makes for a much more interesting, diverse FNM/local scene.
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Crosswell posted:Which is why incestuous metas are hilarious when it's the same 3 or 4 dudes who get together and bicker for 5 hours. If you live in a town with the same 7 magic players, recruit more players. It is not only absurdly achievable with a little energy put into it but it makes for a much more interesting, diverse FNM/local scene. Or, play Hex instead!
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Jun 13, 2013 19:06
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Some Numbers posted:Raredrafting is a thing that happens and it's hard to stop. Who actually wants to open a pack with a $30 card and pass that card to someone else? The best ways to stop raredrafting are to either redraft all the rares at the end of the draft or to draft with someone else's packs who is keeping all the cards. I'm actually kinda curious what the top end price for chase legendary cards will be. Between boosters that are half the price of magic boosters, primal packs, and all the free packs the free drafters will be opening, it should be way easier to buy into a top tier deck.
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I'm going to go ahead and say this. I will rare draft if I consider the cost-benefit analysis to be in my favor. IE if the rare is worth 3 boosters, winning the tournament will get me 4 boosters, and there is less than a 75% chance in my mind that I will win, then yes I will draft that rare. I would expect most people at my skill level to do the same.
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signalnoise posted:I'm going to go ahead and say this. I will rare draft if I consider the cost-benefit analysis to be in my favor. IE if the rare is worth 3 boosters, winning the tournament will get me 4 boosters, and there is less than a 75% chance in my mind that I will win, then yes I will draft that rare. I would expect most people at my skill level to do the same. Yeah, this is precisely how I draft Magic. I want to win, but I'm realistic about my chances and I'll take a chase rare if it nets me a good turnaround. That said, I'll try to build a deck around that rare or leave it out if I need to.
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Jun 13, 2013 19:33
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I don't think anyone is saying not to take the big money cards if you open a pack with one. You crack a Tarmogoyf, you take the Tarmogoyf. 
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Jun 13, 2013 19:48
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Besides some of those big money cards are probably worth splashing for anyway even if it doesn't fit your deck. Can't imagine I'd leave goyf out of any deck I draft.
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Jun 13, 2013 19:58
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Crosswell posted:Which is why incestuous metas are hilarious when it's the same 3 or 4 dudes who get together and bicker for 5 hours. If you live in a town with the same 7 magic players, recruit more players. It is not only absurdly achievable with a little energy put into it but it makes for a much more interesting, diverse FNM/local scene. Even if you have fifty guys you're still going to have rivalries. Two people of relatively equal skill playing similar decks for example are always going to be rivals because they're always going to try to come out over the other. Yes, those two I mentioned were the lovely kind, but rivalry doesn't necessarily mean bitter or bad. Rivalries are always going to be a good thing, as it pushes both players to be better and helps drive interest. I don't know what kinds of players we're going to have in the goon guild, but I would be outright shocked if we don't have similar situations crop up as people start playing constructed matches against each other.
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Rhaegar posted:Besides some of those big money cards are probably worth splashing for anyway even if it doesn't fit your deck. Why? Goyf would be rather underwhelming in most limited formats.
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Vincent Valentine posted:Even if you have fifty guys you're still going to have rivalries. Two people of relatively equal skill playing similar decks for example are always going to be rivals because they're always going to try to come out over the other. Yes, those two I mentioned were the lovely kind, but rivalry doesn't necessarily mean bitter or bad. Rivalries are always going to be a good thing, as it pushes both players to be better and helps drive interest. I don't know what kinds of players we're going to have in the goon guild, but I would be outright shocked if we don't have similar situations crop up as people start playing constructed matches against each other. Friendly rivalries are great. Two assholes sabotaging themselves and each other for no good reason are not great. signalnoise posted:I'm going to go ahead and say this. I will rare draft if I consider the cost-benefit analysis to be in my favor. IE if the rare is worth 3 boosters, winning the tournament will get me 4 boosters, and there is less than a 75% chance in my mind that I will win, then yes I will draft that rare. I would expect most people at my skill level to do the same. Many people much much much better than you do the same, don't worry about it. 
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Captain Capitalism posted:Speaking of resources, I'm sure we'll see some nonbasic ones. I'm thinking the most likely is a 0/1 resource that gives two types of threshold, since it acts like a land coming into play tapped. Other things that would be neat is an 0/2 resource that doesn't give threshold or a resource that charges twice. If you check the Auction House image on their Kickstarter page, you can see about half of a non-basic resource. So, yes, it's pretty much confirmed that they will exist. It looks like it's a 1/1 resource that doesn't give thresholds but does give extra charges, but the important parts of the text are obscured so it's hard to tell for sure. Zurai fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jun 13, 2013 |
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Jun 13, 2013 20:42
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I know for PvE, you can build your own champion or use a Mercenary, but has there been any info yet about how champions work in PvP?
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Some Numbers posted:Why? Goyf would be rather underwhelming in most limited formats.
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Some Numbers posted:I know for PvE, you can build your own champion or use a Mercenary, but has there been any info yet about how champions work in PvP? I'm sure somewhere they said that everybody will have access to the full set of PvP champions, so you wont need to level them or grind for a rare champion to jump in to PvP.
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Spiderdrake posted:People tend to overrate cards against their dollar value. They'll probably do it in Hex too, although Hex is going to be pretty weird without a real life system influencing pricing at the start. I guess, but no card is worth a lot because of how powerful it is in limited. X_ThePerfect posted:I'm sure somewhere they said that everybody will have access to the full set of PvP champions, so you wont need to level them or grind for a rare champion to jump in to PvP. Awesome. I'm really interested to see what charge abilities we're going to get access to.
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Some Numbers posted:Awesome. I'm really interested to see what charge abilities we're going to get access to. Charge abilities are going to be way toned down for PvP. I'd expect them to be pretty equivalent to the ones we've already seen in videos, which IIRC were [3/3] for a 3/1 haste that dies at end of turn or [3/3] for a 1/1 bunny. So it will dull the pain of getting flooded a little bit, but you're not likely going to want to cast them very often when you have cards in hand that you can cast instead.
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Some Numbers posted:I know for PvE, you can build your own champion or use a Mercenary, but has there been any info yet about how champions work in PvP? I think you just choose a basic champion with one charge power, that's it. No talents or equipment. I think we've only seen different charge powers (such as "create a Battle Hopper"), but I guess starting life could vary, too. Everyone will start with every PvP champion, so it's just a matter of choosing one that supports your deck.
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Jun 13, 2013 20:54
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OBi posted:Charge abilities are going to be way toned down for PvP. I'd expect them to be pretty equivalent to the ones we've already seen in videos, which IIRC were [3/3] for a 3/1 haste that dies at end of turn or [3/3] for a 1/1 bunny. So it will dull the pain of getting flooded a little bit, but you're not likely going to want to cast them very often when you have cards in hand that you can cast instead. As I recall, charge powers don't use resources at all. I'm pretty sure we've seen players use a charge power and all their resources in the same turn. Lone Goat posted:We also saw {2}: Draw a card, lose 2 life. This is the one I'm the most interested in.
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Some Numbers posted:As I recall, charge powers don't use resources at all. I'm pretty sure we've seen players use a charge power and all their resources in the same turn. I went back and checked and you're right, they don't.
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Some Numbers posted:I know for PvE, you can build your own champion or use a Mercenary, but has there been any info yet about how champions work in PvP? I don't believe you can use custom champions in any PvP format aside from Wild West.
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Lone Goat posted:We also saw {2}: Draw a card, lose 2 life. I thought that one was that you have to get four charges to use it, but given that it's a charge ability, it only costs the 2 life, not 2 life and 2 mana. "{2}: Draw a card, lose 2 life" is Pact of Pain's ability. There's also one where, for every two charges you get, you can drain 1 life from an opponent. I think that's pretty cool, myself, and it would be nice to have a good ability that can be used with relative frequency, but I suppose that's not as plainly good as the draw one since the draw only costs life.
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pumpinglemma posted:It's been confirmed that Primal packs are visibly Primal from the moment they're generated (and they can't be used in drafts). I'm a bit bummed there will be no such thing as a ~*Primal Draft  *~
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The Moon Monster posted:I'm a bit bummed there will be no such thing as a ~*Primal Draft Can you imagine building a deck with nothing but rares/legendaries? I mean if they're designed right, rares should be the specialist cards, not the bread and butter of your deck. Last time I played MTG, Slivers were a big thing, and I cannot imagine building a deck around nothing but rares for that. I'll honestly be really irritated if rares and legendaries contain poo poo you'd want 4 of just to be low cost blockers.
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All Nines posted:I thought that one was that you have to get four charges to use it, but given that it's a charge ability, it only costs the 2 life, not 2 life and 2 mana. "{2}: Draw a card, lose 2 life" is Pact of Pain's ability. I might have mixed up the two. It's hard to keep all of this information straight!
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signalnoise posted:Can you imagine building a deck with nothing but rares/legendaries? I mean if they're designed right, rares should be the specialist cards, not the bread and butter of your deck. Last time I played MTG, Slivers were a big thing, and I cannot imagine building a deck around nothing but rares for that. I'll honestly be really irritated if rares and legendaries contain poo poo you'd want 4 of just to be low cost blockers. I just think it would be a fun format to try out. I mean, you'd be playing against other people who are equally limited. I could be completely wrong though.
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Drafting two boosters of regular product and then a primal could be pretty fun.
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Personally, I'd love the ability to Team Draft even though it may not be the wisest thing in an online format.
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Vincent Valentine posted:If you plan on opening all of them, would it make a difference if you open them all at once or not?
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But I don't buy boosters to play with the cards. I just want that sweet, sweet new cardboard smell. In other news, CZE is releasing an update tomorrow. 
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Blazing Zero posted:But I don't buy boosters to play with the cards. I just want that sweet, sweet new cardboard smell. In other news, CZE is releasing an update tomorrow. While Hex is great and all, I think it's asking a bit too much of them to replicate the "new cardboard smell" in a digital medium. 
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Finally, a use for my Olly.
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Konstantin posted:While Hex is great and all, I think it's asking a bit too much of them to replicate the "new cardboard smell" in a digital medium. When you set magic cards on fire they actually exploded as the front of the card was glued onto the back of the card so gasses built up between them and they popped like popcorn. How will Hex replicate this phenomenon? If they want to keep pace with their leading competitor, these are the things they will have to plan for. Cardboard Smell is only the beginning.
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The biggest thing I'm going to miss is actually manipulating my deck, feeling it get thinner when I shuffle/tutor, drawing cards, shuffling sleeved cards, and so on.
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Vincent Valentine posted:When you set magic cards on fire they actually exploded as the front of the card was glued onto the back of the card so gasses built up between them and they popped like popcorn. It's not like they can really beat Wizards anyway. MtG has Hexproof.
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Sacrificial Toast posted:It's not like they can really beat Wizards anyway. MtG has Hexproof. Unfortunately, because it's Hexproof instead of Shroud, they can cast their own bad design/business decisions on it.
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signalnoise posted:Can you imagine building a deck with nothing but rares/legendaries? I mean if they're designed right, rares should be the specialist cards, not the bread and butter of your deck. Last time I played MTG, Slivers were a big thing, and I cannot imagine building a deck around nothing but rares for that. I'll honestly be really irritated if rares and legendaries contain poo poo you'd want 4 of just to be low cost blockers. Looking through the database there are only a few legendaries I could see being 4-of's in a deck, many are unique which makes playing 4 of them a dicey choice. There are, however, a good number of rares that I could see being generic 4-of's in decks built around them, or in some cases any deck of their color. If you're going to play constructed, I wouldn't be surprised to find ~30% of a competitive deck being comprised of rares. That ratio will go up drastically if they follow Magic's example and make their good multi-color resources rare. Right now in competitive magic one of the most expensive parts of acquiring a competitive deck is the mana base, especially in the eternal formats, so while I'm hoping they make them uncommon in Hex, I wouldn't be surprised if they followed Magic's example.
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Bobbin Threadbear posted:If Cryptozoic is genuine in their fan-first stance, it seems like they would opt to make it common. Buying expensive mana cards doesn't seem fun. Fixing at common can mess with limited environments too much.
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