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HOUSTON HOUSTON, WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT HERE OK, something I just noticed, looking back through the thread. Someone mentioned that "cold as glass" in the verse that's supposed to be for Houston refers to a line in Anthem that mentions train tracks. At one point, Preiss was pressed as to where the cask was. I cannot find the quote right now, but his hint was, "All I can say is "I"". GaryLeeLoveBuckets posted:I believe what he later said when pressed about it was "All I can say is I." All this time, everyone has thought that he was referring to the I shaped section of Hermann Park or the I shaped pillars in the image. I went back to look at the synopsis for Anthem and this jumped out at me. quote:and the concept of individuality has been eliminated (for example, the use of the word "I" is punishable by death). gently caress, I've got goosebumps now. I think we need to go read Anthem. This is the first time I've seen any connection to Houston and Anthem. Here is the text at Project Gutenberg. einTier fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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Jun 14, 2013 01:18
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there's easier ways to trick people into reading ayn rand, you know
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Abugadu posted:there's easier ways to trick people into reading ayn rand, you know I'm actually laughing over here. Been skimming the novel. It was old at the time, but Rush's 2112 came out in 1976 and had a lot of allusions to the novel, so it stands to reason that it might be in Preiss' mind when he was burying the treasure. Q4T board posted:Hell yeah! I love the "I" clue. That literary note is a worthy find. There's a lot more, but that's just what stands out to me so far. Houston does not have a subway. However, there is part of the Houston Tunnel system that is accessible from Tranquility Park and happens to be directly across from the Hobby Center for the Performing Arts, which replaced the Houston Music Hall and Sam Houston Coliseum.
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Strongylocentrotus posted:Any news on Roanoke? That feels like the one we're closest to finding, just need to get some brave soul on the ground to start rooting around for it. BJG posted:Q4T don't agree on a lot, but pretty much everyone favours this scene as a prime candidate... Sham I Am posted:the more I think about it the more I think that the casque is not actually in the elizabethan gardens. There is little in the image that anyone can definitevly match up to anything in the gardens. I don't know dude, Strongylocentrotus and Mnemosyne both made some strong arguments between pages seven and nine of the thread. Some casques may be tied more to the verse than the pictures.
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NYC I was thinking. If we have the right picture for NYC, maybe the window at the top is a map. The top panes look like long blocks. So maybe there is a church on one block, something rectangular on another, maybe something with a clock on the bottom right, and the something to do with the lady next to it? Then once you find where that area is you use the verse to narrow in on where the box is buried?
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HoustonDr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Meanwhile, I think I might have found a possible solution to the Houston cask, but I feel like I need to do a bit more research and see if it holds water before I go giving away any more details than that. Otherwise there may be risk of a goonrush, and we don't want that. Er... make that two or three possible solutions. Does anybody know when the Mecom Fountain was built? There's nothing about it on Wikipedia, and Google is turning up surprisingly little info related to it. EDIT: einTier posted:HOUSTON Couldn't he have meant "I" as in the Roman numeral 'I' for 1, referring to Verse 1 and its association with Houston? I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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Jun 14, 2013 02:56
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Houston Larry McMurtry describes the Mecom Fountain as "new" in the novel "Terms of Endearment", which was published in 1975, so it is at least old enough to have made it into "The Secret".
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tacodaemon posted:Larry McMurtry describes the Mecom Fountain as "new" in the novel "Terms of Endearment", which was published in 1975, so it is at least old enough to have made it into "The Secret". In that case, I have three possible solutions. Wonderful.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Houston It's old enough that it certainly was around when this book was published- it's at least from the 70's, if not earlier. edit: beaten!
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Strongylocentrotus posted:Any news on Roanoke? That feels like the one we're closest to finding, just need to get some brave soul on the ground to start rooting around for it. If I had the time or the money I'd be on my way to Roanoke right now. That seems like one of the easier casks to me, and the picture is pretty rad too. 
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BJG posted:I guess you read this...  Are we sure that's an aquamarine? Because that does not look like an aquamarine. Like, at all. That blue is WAAAAY too dark to be an aquamarine. Cru Jones posted:Just checking in, has anyone actually left their computer and moved some dirt? I was actually planning on going somewhere to do that today, but I started looking for stuff on Wikipedia and Google Maps, and eventually it got to be too late in the afternoon for me to go. I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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Jun 14, 2013 03:16
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Byron gave him the wrong gem and it was dark so he got the sapphire instead on accident.
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Premeditated Toast posted:I was planning to head there this past Wednesday but the Outer Banks is currently getting slapped around by Tropical Storm Andrea.
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allta posted:Byron gave him the wrong gem and it was dark so he got the sapphire instead on accident. I'm now finally at that point where I can't tell if you're joking or not.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:I'm now finally at that point where I can't tell if you're joking or not. S' true
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Jun 14, 2013 03:39
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The best part is that he allegedly said something cryptic like "there was only one blue stone back there".
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Anyone else think Byron might have been full of poo poo and didn't even bury a full 12 casks/have all 12 jewels?
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Houston Verse 1 contains a line that comes directly from Anthem. Then he throws out a comment that correlates with a central component of the book. I think he must have been thinking heavily about that book when he wrote the verse for Houston.
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Cru Jones posted:Just checking in, has anyone actually left their computer and moved some dirt? I scuffed my toes in a bunch of sand on Strawberry Hill while we were scouting and taking pictures for the San Francisco cask last week. Although I believe we've figured out the park in which the cask is located, that doesn't really help too much because Golden Gate Park is huge: it's more than 1,000 acres(or 412 hectares for those of you who deal in metric). ChickenOfTomorrow fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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Jun 14, 2013 04:18
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Nesetril posted:The best part is that he allegedly said something cryptic like "there was only one blue stone back there". If the light wasn't good, an unset aquamarine could definitely appear to be clear rather than blue. It makes sense. Some of them are very light in color. For example, this is taken in a bright light against a whitish background: http://www.lawsons.com.au/thumb//910/10118910tn.jpg It's almost clear with good lighting. In a dim setting, you probably wouldn't think it was blue at all.
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Thinking more on Anthem and Tranquility Park. "Fortress north, cold as glass" "Fortress" is mentioned exactly once in Anthem. It is the home the protagonist finds and intends to make into a fortress to keep out the "evil" people from the city he left behind. He keeps his books there, because they are the most valuable things he has in the post-apocalyptic world he lives in. All the knowledge that had been forgotten is there. The Houston Public Library is nearby, and I'll be damned if it doesn't look like a fortress. It was built in 1976.  What if "the 982" was a bus?  Houston Rhino information For those wondering about the names of the Rhinos at the Hermann Park Zoo (wilhouse at Q4T thought there could be a connection with names and the poem) their names were Marci and Bu. They'd been there since 1971 and died in the mid 2000's. http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-Zoo-loses-its-last-rhino-to-old-age-1806735.php einTier fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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Montreal (crapload o'pics) so i took a bunch of pics from dorchester square yes, i missed a giant loving flagpole my first time by, some explorer i am. the steps is the closest ones to the flagpole the seagull directed me to where the cask might be i think it's under the squirrel! also, can somebody run the names from the queen victoria lion statue and tell me if they mean anything? thanks talk away...lots of these pics mean nothing but its a batch upload to help you guys out. also fyi, marie reine du monde and st.george's church are a street apart, i never even knew that! can somebody research to see if st.george's has a belltower? it has a spire but that could mean anything... also, i couldnt find the wooden door at marie reine du monde and there was a turkish protest (wtf) outside the church so didnt feel like going around there too much. also if you count the posts and the doors of the sunlife building, theres 21 of them but i put zero stock in that. and theres always a ton of people there fyi                                                  
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umm also can somebody blow up the X in cask 9? what if the x is actually roads or paths intersecting? theres a circle im seeing in the thicker pat of the x... could that be the where to dig clue?
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Jun 14, 2013 05:00
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That squirrel looks like he's gonna drop a clue.
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Herv posted:That squirrel looks like he's gonna drop a clue. Oh, that's giving me a clue... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcHy8xEt2QI
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Mnemosyne posted:If the light wasn't good, an unset aquamarine could definitely appear to be clear rather than blue. It makes sense. Some of them are very light in color. Yeah, pretty much this. Aquamarines are part of the beryl family, which is the same family of gemstones that emeralds come from. The biggest differences between aquamarines and emeralds are their durability (aquas tend to be rather sturdy, whereas emeralds are usually on the more fragile end of the hardiness spectrum) and their color; aquamarines are normally extremely pale in color, with light blue or light greenish-blue being the DARKEST colors you'd find. The shade of blue on the stone in that picture is way too deep to be an aquamarine. I'm thinking maybe our interpretation of what stone corresponds with Cask 4 might be a bit off... Zinn never found the clockface lid that came with Cask 4, correct? For all we know Cask 4 might have actually corresponded with the sapphire or something.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Yeah, pretty much this. Aquamarines are part of the beryl family, which is the same family of gemstones that emeralds come from. The biggest differences between aquamarines and emeralds are their durability (aquas tend to be rather sturdy, whereas emeralds are usually on the more fragile end of the hardiness spectrum) and their color; aquamarines are normally extremely pale in color, with light blue or light greenish-blue being the DARKEST colors you'd find. What I wonder is, who inherited his estate? The directions to the burial sites were probably in his effects ... somewhere. Dr. Gitmo Moneyson, thinking on your Rice theory and the Anthem theme, there is the Fondren Library on the Rice campus, near Hermann Park. It doesn't look much like a fortress, but it is in the Art Deco style Rand loved so much.  Or maybe it does look like a fortress...  Could the Commons just south of there be the "Friendship south"? einTier fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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stab posted:Montreal (crapload o'pics) Thanks for taking the pics! Yeah, that's a bell tower. One of the windows is also a memorial to the Canadian armed forces in WW II, including the Air Force, so "near ace is high" can work for St. George's, too. And it's right on the square, which maybe makes it a better location for the clue than St. Patricks... if it turns out that this is the general location of the cask and Preiss wrote that verse with one of the churches in mind I wonder if he know that there were actually two nearby that fit the bill. I don't know if it's possible to tell which window the memorial is from outside the church. This is what it looks like from within:  The wooden door at Marie Reine du Monde is here:  Oh, did you happen to see a pair of old naval canons by the street in front of the Macdonald monument? I've seen them in pictures, but they don't show up in the latest Google imagery so I wonder if they're away for restoration. einTier posted:I think you're pushing this way too hard. It doesn't fit. It doesn't match. I know you want it to match, but other than the very top part, which you can't see fully, nothing lines up. By your own admission, the right side doesn't match at all. Fair enough. I don't want to be the Houston guy. Did you think there might be any validity to the fingers/streets? Guuse fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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But remember that the birth months for each image are given rather unequivocally. Cleveland was absolutely an aquamarine (march = 3 = triangle in image). If it wasn't everything else would be messed up. It couldn't have been traded with St. Augustine's sapphire, because the sapphire in the image has that six-star / cat's eye pattern. I was looking at sapphires in a museum the other day, too. Anyway, I am still confused about BP's stone switcheroo at the vault, because what kind of vault isn't well lit? I mean most people store fake passports, wills, and money in those vaults. Imagine what could happen... Also, BP was apparently quite educated and into some pretty obscure historical stuff and literature, but he couldn't tell an aquamarine apart from a sapphire? Especially, given that they were not just any two stones, but ones he purchased himself previously. Nesetril fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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einTier posted:Thinking more on Anthem and Tranquility Park. I'm typing "houston public library" into the Search bar on my iPhone's Maps program and it isn't turning up jack squat. You wanna tell me the address of the place in that photo, please? I'm really sleepy right now and I have to wake up for an 8:00 a.m. class tomorrow morning, otherwise I'd try to tell you why I think you're looking a little too far into this Ayn Rand business and why the train connection sounds like the deepest meaning Byron Preiss could've been going for in that line. Basically, I'm thinking that if you have to read loving Anthem (or any other Ayn Rand book for that matter) in its entirety just to gather a small clue, then you're doing something wrong. einTier posted:Dr. Gitmo Moneyson, thinking on your Rice theory and the Anthem theme, there is the Fondren Library on the Rice campus, near Hermann Park. It doesn't look much like a fortress, but it is in the Art Deco style Rand loved so much. ... Okay I think you might be onto something here. (P.S. Art Deco sucks Modern Architecture sucks hard herps dick pus forever Collegiate Gothic 4 LYFE yo  )
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:I'm typing "houston public library" into the Search bar on my iPhone's Maps program and it isn't turning up jack squat. You wanna tell me the address of the place in that photo, please? I know Rand isn't popular here. I'm not trying to secretly get people to read it, and I am skeptical of links like "strongest tower of delight" pointing to the Atropos key, so I'm trying not to read (pun intended) too much into it. But there does seem to be a correlation that Preiss thought was important. The cryptic comment implies that something about saying "I" is important, and that happens to be very important in the book he references in Verse 1. Anyway. The library is at 500 McKinney, Houston, TX 77002. Google Maps But maybe you're on to something with Rice Campus. I wouldn't have thought of it, but ... The Campanile is near the library. quote:When Cram, Goodhue & Ferguson, Rice’s founding architects, began designing the campus, they envisioned a tower that would hold water. That plan was scrapped in favor of underground tanks, but the idea of a tower so captivated then-President Edgar Odell Lovett that the architects sought a practical function to justify one. The result was the Campanile, the campus’s first and most impressive tower. Is this the veering water in the sky? My only problem with Rice University (and really, all the proposed locations in Houston) is the lack of visual clues that tie the painting in with the site. einTier fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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einTier posted:I know Rand isn't popular here. I'm not trying to secretly get people to read it, and I am skeptical of links like "strongest tower of delight" pointing to the Atropos key, so I'm trying not to read (pun intended) too much into it. But there does seem to be a correlation that Preiss thought was important. The cryptic comment implies that something about saying "I" is important, and that happens to be very important in the book he references in Verse 1. Hmm... could be. Also I forgot to mention earlier that the University of Houston is also pretty close to Hermann Park (on the east side), except unlike Rice, UH isn't right across the street from there. There are like 3 or 4 other colleges that are close by, too. einTier posted:My only problem with Rice University (and really, all the proposed locations in Houston) is the lack of visual clues that tie the painting in with the site. I think I actually found several visual clues that might connect the painting with the Hermann Park area, but I really need to get to bed right now, so that's a subject that will have to wait until later. I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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yeah the canons are right next to the macdonald statue, didn't take a pic of them because I didn't really see the relevance of them. (yet I did of a squirrel taking a dump)
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Because everyone is so interested in the "aquamarine" jewel, here's what the finder of the Cleveland cask had to say about it over at Q4T:Egbert posted:Hi everyone! My ears must have been burning - I suddenly had the feeling that I should look at this bulletin board, which I do every few months, and I see that there have been questions raised about the jewel that I received from BP.
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stab posted:umm also can somebody blow up the X in cask 9? what if the x is actually roads or paths intersecting? theres a circle im seeing in the thicker pat of the x... could that be the where to dig clue?  This horse is literally running north. Follow it to the cask! stab posted:yeah the canons are right next to the macdonald statue, didn't take a pic of them because I didn't really see the relevance of them. (yet I did of a squirrel taking a dump) At the time British gun crews sometimes named their guns. What I've learned about that pair is that they were seized from the Russians during the Crimean War in 1850-something and given by Queen Victoria to Montreal in 1892, so they presumably had a 40ish year career with the British navy. It would be pretty badass if THOSE were Education and Justice.  Maybe there's an inscription on the cannon or a plaque nearby that says something. Or maybe just something carved in at the back? It's odd to me that Education and Justice are capitalized in the verse. It also means that if you draw a line between the side door at Marie Rienne, John Macdonald and cannons, and then Marie Rienne again to the belltower at St. George's you end up with something looking a lot like the lopsided "M" in the flower:  In this theory, that circle would be along side the church or in its back garden presumably. It's roughly the same shape as the gem in the hat! Edit: Also, a row of X's/diamonds run down the length of the Saint George roof. Guuse fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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New orleans.. Not far away High posts are three Education and Justice For All To See Fats fuckin' Domino You think I can't dig no hole? I can dig a hole, where's the fuckin' shovels? (goodfellas quote) Is there software out there that can analyze this poo poo using wikipedia or something?
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These lines from verse 2:quote:Here is a sovereign people Here is the sovereign people who build palaces to shelter their heads for a night! Here is the religion which is dedicated to man as man, and here the marvels of art are lavished on teh glorification of the masses! Nero had his Domus Aurea, but the Roman plebeians had only the catacombs to shelter themselves!  It would seem safe to say that this verse matches with the New Orleans, Louisiana picture.
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Let's go over the current consensus for verse matchings. So, wait... nothing changed in 50 pages?code:Nesetril fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jun 14, 2013 |
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