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Phlegmish posted:Annual meat consumption per capita: Yum, Mongolia.
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Jun 29, 2013 14:54
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KernelSlanders posted:Yum, Mongolia. They weren't known as horsemen for nothing.
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Jun 29, 2013 14:59
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ThePutty posted:I found this on google image search, looking for more of those Absolut ads. Well this is dumb. Clearly if you want to have a Greater United States you add everything from the Pole to the Panama Canal.
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Jun 29, 2013 15:45
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Kurtofan posted:From the Image Thread (jeez people stop posting maps in that thread) The worst map. Why does Austria get Hungary, but South Tyrol is still Italian??
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Jun 29, 2013 15:51
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Mister Adequate posted:Clearly if you want to have a Greater United States you add everything from the Pole to From Pole to shining Pole 
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Jun 29, 2013 15:54
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Phlegmish posted:Annual meat consumption per capita: How can Uruguay be so pale, it's got the largest beef consumption per capita in the world
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Jun 29, 2013 16:14
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Cold Fusion posted:How can Uruguay be so pale, it's got the largest beef consumption per capita in the world
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Jun 29, 2013 16:34
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Kurtofan posted:From the Image Thread (jeez people stop posting maps in that thread) The best part of this map is the "eh, who gives a poo poo" line of unedited countries from Greece to Estonia.
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Jun 29, 2013 20:21
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As long as we're posting lovely bigoted parodies:
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Jun 29, 2013 20:30
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Vegetable posted:Why Venezuela? 'Cause bomb their rear end, steal their gas.
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Jun 29, 2013 20:50
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Vegetable posted:Why Venezuela? It was probably made by Venezuelan ex-pats. There are a ton at my university, and they all loathe Chávez and Maduro. The new Cuban exiles, just less of them as far as I can tell.
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Jun 30, 2013 00:04
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Kainser posted:From Pole to shining Pole This is a really annoying cliche in alternate history.  Decades of Darkness
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Jun 30, 2013 02:36
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QuoProQuid posted:This is a really annoying cliche in alternate history. That was actually exactly what I was thinking of, the one single good piece of alternate history.   e; actually I guess this one is pretty good as well: 
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Jun 30, 2013 02:54
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Kainser posted:That was actually exactly what I was thinking of, the one single good piece of alternate history. Reminds me of what happens when a realm explodes in CKII.
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Jun 30, 2013 03:26
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Jesus Christ.  Kingdom of Australia? Nipponese Empire? Grosseuropaische Wirtschaftsverein? What the christ. I'm surprised there's no Great Old Bulgaria in there.
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Jun 30, 2013 04:47
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Kainser posted:That was actually exactly what I was thinking of, the one single good piece of alternate history. Why did Brittany lose Nantes to Poitou? 
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Jun 30, 2013 05:00
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Is that supposed to be Europe ruled by an inexplicably undefeated Napoleon?
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Jun 30, 2013 07:46
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:Is that supposed to be Europe ruled by an inexplicably undefeated Napoleon? Reverse image looking and some digging leads to a tome of rambling called Look to the West.
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Jun 30, 2013 08:19
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Gorgo Primus posted:Why did Brittany lose Nantes to Poitou? It's especially strange because that didn't happen in reality until the Pétain government.
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Jun 30, 2013 11:27
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Gorgo Primus posted:Why did Brittany lose Nantes to Poitou? Ask the Bretons and Nantes is Breton, ask everyone else and Nantes is everyone else's. Can't wait for Soviet Commubot to shine some knowledge on this! ^^^ Aaaaannnd beaten!
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Jun 30, 2013 11:29
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PittTheElder posted:Is that supposed to be Europe ruled by an inexplicably undefeated Napoleon? Gorgo Primus posted:Why did Brittany lose Nantes to Poitou? And man, that map really overstates the extent of a lot of regional cultures/languages. Although it's nice to see a 'cultural' map that doesn't just label the top third of the Nordic countries+Kola as 'Sami'. BBJoey posted:Jesus Christ. Kainser fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Jun 30, 2013 12:01
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Yeah I can't see a German plan to partition France being too concerned with being fair to the population of the puppet states it aimed to create. If anything it's realistic that it fucks over everyone except the power that drew the new borders.
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Jun 30, 2013 12:03
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More Later posted:Ask the Bretons and Nantes is Breton, ask everyone else and Nantes is everyone else's. Can't wait for Soviet Commubot to shine some knowledge on this! I think he just forum searches for the word 'Brittany'. I've learned a lot about that region just by being in the general vicinity of his posts. Every secession movement could use people with that level of commitment. Kainser posted:And man, that map really overstates the extent of a lot of regional cultures/languages. Although it's nice to see a 'cultural' map that doesn't just label the top third of the Nordic countries+Kola as 'Sami'. Right, it seems more like a historical map that is not necessarily relevant today. Off the top of my head: - A lot of Navarrans, especially in the southern part of the region, don't identify with Basque culture - Northern Ireland has a Protestant majority - Most Valencians resent being lumped in with the 'Països Catalans' - Most people in French Flanders and Brussels speak French - Karelia is overwhelmingly Russian It's also strange that they didn't apply the same principle to the traditionally German areas in Eastern Europe. Kaliningrad is still Kaliningrad, for example. Probably because in that case you're dealing with forced resettlement rather than gradual assimilation. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Jun 30, 2013 12:05
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Phlegmish posted:I think he just forum searches for the word 'Brittany'. I've learned a lot about that region just by being in the general vicinity of his posts. Every secession movement could use people with that level of commitment. Nah, I just have absolutely nothing better to do on Sundays than read D&D. Also, I should amend my earlier post to say that the separation of Loire Atlantique (Nantes) was planned during the Vichy regime but it didn't actually happen until 1956.
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Jun 30, 2013 12:09
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Kainser posted:That was actually exactly what I was thinking of, the one single good piece of alternate history. I think you mean "Malé Rising".  The only alternate history to ever give a poo poo about Africa.
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Jun 30, 2013 17:04
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Phlegmish posted:Annual meat consumption per capita: I'm actually surprised Argentina isn't a darker red. I never ate so much meat before going there for a week, and I've been served the hugest loving Rib ever in a restaurant.
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Jun 30, 2013 17:38
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Plutonis posted:I'm actually surprised Argentina isn't a darker red. I never ate so much meat before going there for a week, and I've been served the hugest loving Rib ever in a restaurant. Argentina has a decent number of people who are too poor to eat that much meat.
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Jun 30, 2013 18:10
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Terex posted:That seems so backwards, especially since there are still dry counties to this day, many of which seem to be in the same areas (like North Carolina). This is from a while back. I know of several counties/cities that are dry on that map that have voted to be wet or moist in the past few years, including the Kentucky county that I live in. So it's marginally less depressing. King Dopplepopolos fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Jun 30, 2013 20:18
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Sweden somehow ends up a single, solitary major city (landlocked, at that), a bunch of iron ore, wilderness and Finland? There's no way that could ever work, or for anyone to want it, friend or foe. It'd be untenable in the extreme.
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Jun 30, 2013 21:44
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It makes about as much sense as "The Three Sicilies" and Mega-Belgium (gods drat you Alt-History writers) or a breakaway Janissary state, who somehow control Constantinople but not any of Anatolia.
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Jun 30, 2013 21:54
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Kainser posted:That was actually exactly what I was thinking of, the one single good piece of alternate history. The problem with most alternate history is that the writers are more focused on making the world as different as possible rather than writing a realistic world or making useful commentary on modern events. The easiest way to get attention is by changing borders so alternate history is often associated with maps. The alternatehistory.com community is particularly bad in this regard. The easiest way to get yourself noticed is be moderately talented in Photoshop. You could be copying literal encyclopedia entries but as long as you have regular illustrations, people will follow you. I do have a few favorite pieces of internet alternate history, though:   Fear, Loathing and Gumbo on the Campaign Trail '72: Louisiana Governor John Julian McKeithen decides to stand for the Democratic nomination for the 1972 Election. McGovern becomes furious about being overlooked and decides to run as an independent under a 'Peace' platform. The result is an electoral college split and the House of Representatives is forced to choose the President. Sprio Agnew does beautiful, wonderful things. A World of Laughter, A World of Tears Eisenhower drops from the 1952 Republican Primary after a minor heart attack. The incident does not threaten his life but forces Eisenhower to come to terms with his health. He drops from the race and the GOP is thrown into turmoil. Hoping to throw the Democrats off-guard, the Republicans nominate Walt Disney who proceeds to win by a large margin. His term goes as well as you might expect. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Jun 30, 2013 22:10
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Benito Hitlerstalin posted:Sweden somehow ends up a single, solitary major city (landlocked, at that), a bunch of iron ore, wilderness and Finland? There's no way that could ever work, or for anyone to want it, friend or foe. It'd be untenable in the extreme. PittTheElder posted:It makes about as much sense as "The Three Sicilies" and Mega-Belgium (gods drat you Alt-History writers) or a breakaway Janissary state, who somehow control Constantinople but not any of Anatolia. You all need to read it. It's a pretty good. I'm not saying that it isn't outlandish but it's immensely entertaining. Though I grant that some parts are meticulously researched while others...like most of the above...aren't, but the timeline is so goddamn long that the details seem completely passable while you are reading them.
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Jun 30, 2013 22:17
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Benito Hitlerstalin posted:Sweden somehow ends up a single, solitary major city (landlocked, at that), a bunch of iron ore, wilderness and Finland? There's no way that could ever work, or for anyone to want it, friend or foe. It'd be untenable in the extreme. For some reason it's "Sweden" with scare quotes, no idea why.
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Jun 30, 2013 22:32
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QuoProQuid posted:The problem with most alternate history is that the writers are more focused on making the world as different as possible rather than writing a realistic world or making useful commentary on modern events. The easiest way to get attention is by changing borders so alternate history is often associated with maps. The alternatehistory.com community is particularly bad in this regard. The easiest way to get yourself noticed is be moderately talented in Photoshop. You could be copying literal encyclopedia entries but as long as you have regular illustrations, people will follow you. The former is pretty fun to read, especially for the first-act twist. 
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Jun 30, 2013 22:40
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TinTower posted:The former is pretty fun to read, especially for the first-act twist. It was depressing to read A World Of Laughter as it was being written, because the world it described just getting worse and worse and oh god. Although the best alt-hist timeline is still Pirate Madagascar.
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Jun 30, 2013 22:52
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Kurtofan posted:For some reason it's "Sweden" with scare quotes, no idea why. Presumably because pretty much all of inhabited (even more-so back then) Sweden lies south of the “Swedish” border. There's basically nothing north of Uppsala except for inhospitable taiga, snow and rocks. Well, that and a bunch of ore. It's essentially cut off from the eastern parts (Finland) entirely, surrounded, with no way of projecting force or of defending the “Swedish” borders. Unless they've got, like, space lasers or something(?), it's pretty much a lost cause, no matter the scenario. Finland and the northernmost parts of modern Sweden? Eh, maybe. There's no way a border would or could look like that, though, for any extended amount of time. Civil war, insurrection, rebellion, whatever. It's dumb. Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Jul 1, 2013 |
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Did someone say alternate history? A couple I've liked from alternatehistory.com (no stories or timelines, just the maps):  A full-on worst case scenario dystopian Nazi victory. Pretty unrealistic even by the standards of Nazi victory maps, but I don't think it's intended to be otherwise. The renamed cities are a nice touch.  Successful Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Not a standard topic of AH, and I like that there's a bit of thought into how it might be divided, rather than just annexed fully as an SSR. I don't know enough about Soviet or Afghan history to know how realistic it may be. And since the images thread is talking about Harry Turtledove, some maps from his Southern Victory series:  The map after the Civil War and beginning of "How Few Remain". The Confederacy gains Kentucky peacefully after their victory, and buys Cuba from Spain, then later Chihuahua and Sonora from Mexico.  After the Great War. The US has a resounding victory, takes a bunch of land back from several Confederate states, gets Kentucky and Sequoya back, and creates a new state of Houston from captured Texas.  During the World War II equivalent. The Confederacy annexes Kentucky and Houston, and a few other bits of land, sending the two countries into war again.
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Benito Hitlerstalin posted:Presumably because pretty much all of inhabited (even more-so back then) Sweden lies south of the “Swedish” border. PittTheElder posted:It makes about as much sense as "The Three Sicilies" and Mega-Belgium (gods drat you Alt-History writers) or a breakaway Janissary state, who somehow control Constantinople but not any of Anatolia. Most alternate history is just terrible nationalistic stuff, but this one is actually kinda okay. You can't judge an alternate history only from a map (although it's pretty fair to do so in a map thread  ) etc.
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I was always quite fond of For Want of a Nail: The British general Burgoyne defeats Gates at the Battle of Saratoga and the British subsequently win the American Revolutionary War. Britain takes a concilliatory attitude and the Confederation of North America is established as a dominion of sorts so the colonies can manage their own affairs as part of the Empire (leading eventually to de facto independence), while the die-hard republicans go into self-imposed exile in Texas and are so successful in their second independence war that they sort of accidentally conquer the country they were declaring independence from, integrating themselves into Mexico's caste system at the top alongside the Criollos. The whole "novel" is written like a history textbook, packed with footnotes for books that were never written, statistical tables of census data, and a foreward by a professor from the United States of Mexico which heavily criticises the text for its "obvious pro-Confederate bias".
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Someone else, please post the maps from Fight And Be Right. Can't access crap from this machine, but Commie Britain and Commie British Empire look kickin' rad.
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