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Triskelli posted:Bingo. I say we make a petition. Wait, seriously? I just always assumed that wonders being obsoleted came with the first person to research the proper tech, like spies coming with the first person to reach the proper era. That's... incredibly dumb.
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I like how they counteracted the increased build strain from the new buildings/wonders with increased gold from the trade routes. Purchasing buildings seems part of the routine now, rather than a once in a while luxury like it was in previous iterations of civ 5. The opponent AI seems to be a lot better at faith rushing and religious metagaming as well.
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Brazil quickly became my favorite civ today. Even though I lost in my first game with them (entirely due to me not fully grasping the new Culture system) they were super fun and I was chaining Carnivals. I think I could have salvaged a culture win, but stupid Korea went to space 
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Won my first BNW game as Venice. Cultural victory. I was doing really really well, but I also shot myself in the foot a bit because my next-door neighbor and trading buddy was Morocco. Morocco gets culture points for every trade route with them...so it was an uphill battle to get more tourism than he had culture. He never, ever betrayed me or even complained once. I think he must be programmed to be very loyal.
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So I've tried a few practice rounds of BNW and I have absolutely no idea what the hell I'm doing anymore. I guess like some other people, I'm having some trouble adjusting to the new Social Policies, wonders and Culture system. I managed to get ONE great work before I gave up on my second game because I just honestly haven't got a clue how to do this right. This makes me very sad 
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Jul 10, 2013 05:53
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I still don't have a loving clue how the new culture system works, aside from the rebalanced Policy trees (I don't get Ideologies though), but with some guesswork with Tradeposts and the loving amazing team of Petra and Kasbahs as far as the eye can see, I had so much gold, at one point I said "gently caress it" because Poland thought he could start colonizing around me, and now I'm just picking away at him with an unstoppable tide of Riflemen I bought with my absurd amounts of money. The only reason I caught up to him with his triple-score lead on me is with dumb amounts of cash.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Brazil quickly became my favorite civ today. Even though I lost in my first game with them (entirely due to me not fully grasping the new Culture system) they were super fun and I was chaining Carnivals. I think I could have salvaged a culture win, but stupid Korea went to space Just scored a victory myself as Brasil. Up until the Renaissance they're as generic as you can possibly get - but after that they become really difficult to deal with since Brasilwood Camps are super-tiles. 2 food, 2 gold, 2 science, and 2 culture when you have Universities and Acoustics; 3 culture instead of 2 if you took Sacred Path. They're not so great with religion, but if you can manage to get a Religion founded, and then jigger the World's Congress to declare your religion the World Religion, your cultural victory should be unstoppable. edit: Shaka was my absolute best friend in this game, he took out my two neighbors for me (I snapped up Constantinople and Theodora's six Wonders, four of which were sniped from me - thanks Shaka!) and never said a single bad word towards me even though I told him to gently caress off from my city-states several times, on top of having differing Ideologies. That loyalty stat is made to be abused. edit2: Looking at the endgame graphs and stuff, it looks like the AI cityspam from G&K has been really reined in. Brannock fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jul 10, 2013 |
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Jul 10, 2013 05:58
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On the flip side of the coin, investing a lot of hammers and research into a purely defensive wonder that goes obsolete because some jackass runaway with an island to himself on the other side of the world figured out how to make things explode would be loving horrible and unfun to the max. The Great Wall is the only wonder left that goes obsolete. From a gameplay perspective the Great Wall is the ultimate defensive sanction and going all the way to Dynamite is a pretty clear signal that you're going offensive(because you're slogging through multiple techs just to unlock those sweet, sweet artillery) so it makes sense that that's the break point.
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Jul 10, 2013 06:12
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I seem to have caused some sort of glitch where I am a never ending peace with Siam. As it stands I am just shy of 100 turns past our last war. This is unfortunate because he won't stop sending missionaries to my cities. Any way to correct this other then eventually nuking them?
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Jul 10, 2013 06:20
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This expansion is completely awesome. Played a full game as Morocco, can't complain about any of the mechanical changes they are all good. Archaeology is rad now too.
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Jul 10, 2013 06:23
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Do roads have any impact on the speed or gold rewards for a caravan if the road is along the trade route?
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Jul 10, 2013 06:27
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Someone in the G&K thread proposed uploading our turn zero saves and letting everyone play it out to see how our styles differ and I wanna upload mine. What's the save path for Civ?
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Brannock posted:Just scored a victory myself as Brasil. Up until the Renaissance they're as generic as you can possibly get - but after that they become really difficult to deal with since Brasilwood Camps are super-tiles. 2 food, 2 gold, 2 science, and 2 culture when you have Universities and Acoustics; 3 culture instead of 2 if you took Sacred Path. Yea, up till Renaissance all I really did was build poo poo to boost my culture and anything with 'great artist/writer/musician slot' but by the time I was dropping Brasilwood Camps I was turning to a steamroller. I totally neglected religion, which I'm pretty sure was one of my big problems. Also I think I expanded a bit much, I had a good little four city empire going but the Incas to the north of me were huge and making me nervous about being able to get some luxury stuff that was still a few hexes out so I jumped the gun. Oh and I never used archaeology, everyone around me was all peaceful and happy to be friends so I never found any battlegrounds.
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The White Dragon posted:Someone in the G&K thread proposed uploading our turn zero saves and letting everyone play it out to see how our styles differ and I wanna upload mine. What's the save path for Civ? C:\Users\[user name]\Documents\My Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 5\Saves\single
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So... Yeah, if you get really lucky with the Shoshone things can get pretty loving ridiculous. Like, in the early game I researched maybe 2 or 3 techs and the rest came from finding ruins. Granted, I was on a huge map and somehow seemed to be on my own little continent, but holy crap! They're such a fun civ to play!
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea, up till Renaissance all I really did was build poo poo to boost my culture and anything with 'great artist/writer/musician slot' but by the time I was dropping Brasilwood Camps I was turning to a steamroller. Even in my (failed) peaceful tourism run I used a ton of Archeology. Just because you didn't fight other civs doesn't mean you didn't fight barbarians, or didn't clean up some goodie huts. Both have a chance to generate a site.
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Alkydere posted:Even in my (failed) peaceful tourism run I used a ton of Archeology. Just because you didn't fight other civs doesn't mean you didn't fight barbarians, or didn't clean up some goodie huts. Both have a chance to generate a site. Plus I found sites where other civs had fought it out where I wasn't involved; there was an antiquity on the ruins of a city that Suleiman razed, for example. I think that was where Pacal had built the Great Mosque, too (since I'd captured his capital by that point), so maybe that skewed it.
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I've played a few starts on Continents as Assyria, Emperor difficulty. I can have around three cities, the NC, and an army of 3 Siege Towers, 4 Composite Bows, and 2 Swordsmen around turn 100, which has been enough to roll through everyone on the continent by turn 150 with only a few losses. (So far I haven't spawned near someone like Shaka who might decide to put up a significant fight.) This generally takes me from crap literacy to first or second, and gives me a bunch of former capitals to work on annexing/empire building. The important part seems to be to burn or sell non-capital cities, or there's going to be happiness trouble. This is probably because, well, doing all that doesn't leave much room for putting hammers into happiness buildings or religion. I've been opening Tradition, getting Legalism, Monarchy, and Landed Elite, and then opening Aesthetics so I can get a Great Writer to start filling in my Royal Libraries. It might be possible to do it faster using Spearmen as the meatshield unit rather than Swordsmen. But I think the basic theory should hold - get a few cities, get the NC, start going for Metal Casting, and while you're doing that, crush all of the weak idiots who had the misfortune to spawn near you and take their sweet, sweet technology.
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I finally won on Emperor Huge and steam didnt track the win, I dont have any mods installed and I always play shuffle random leader. I guess i'll just wait until tomorrow to play the expansion because im pretty tilted right now.
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So I discovered that you can still annex cities as Venice, you just click on them in strategic view and the usual annex/raze/etc. dialogue pops up. Whoops!
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The new culture system has me lost in my 1st game with BNW. It seems everyone is going for a cultural victory, and to not get swept away I had to start actively stealing all the artifacts and making great works of my own. On the other hand, I have discovered that if there is the smallest parcel of land available I can pop down a city and rush-buy more or less everything it needs to be valuable for about 800 gold, and then just let the swarm of worker bots connect everything. Order(skyscrapers) + Commerce is insane. That said, it's game year 1910 and I'm too busy dicking around with culture to the point where I'm barely scraping the modern era. If trying out the ideologies wasn't so neat I would've had a lot more research with rationalism.
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Got the game today, played a fantastic game through as the Shoshone- they fit my play style PERFECTLY, and the early game snowballing is a riot. Went Liberty and expanded wide, claimed about 70% of my continent peacefully and penned in my neighbors, and then played defensively and ended up winning a culture victory in the long run. The Shoshone are cool. Ideologies are cool. The World Congress is cool.
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After playing the Shoshone for a while, I don't think their UA actually overshadows the American. Sure, the Shoshone will have larger borders to start, but America will have a bigger country by midgame.
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Blorange posted:The new culture system has me lost in my 1st game with BNW. It seems everyone is going for a cultural victory, and to not get swept away I had to start actively stealing all the artifacts and making great works of my own. On the other hand, I have discovered that if there is the smallest parcel of land available I can pop down a city and rush-buy more or less everything it needs to be valuable for about 800 gold, and then just let the swarm of worker bots connect everything. Order(skyscrapers) + Commerce is insane. Same problem here. I'm investing so much into loving around with all the art that my science is just poo poo. Also, each city/puppet you have now increase tech costs. Was that there before? The end of the tech tree feels much longer. I've been trying to win a diplomatic victory via freedom as Morocco. Not happening. The big guys all went order and the little guys followed, and there's no point at all to being the only nation state as a particular ideology. I held out until Order got enforced as the global ideology, but I'm pretty sure I would have been better off just following the herd in the beginning. Getting forced out of an ideology hurts. emTme3 fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Jul 10, 2013 |
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nutranurse posted:So... Yeah, if you get really lucky with the Shoshone things can get pretty loving ridiculous. Like, in the early game I researched maybe 2 or 3 techs and the rest came from finding ruins. Granted, I was on a huge map and somehow seemed to be on my own little continent, but holy crap! They're such a fun civ to play! You have to be really, really lucky with land. They seem cursed to never get bonus resources.
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^^^edit: Yeah, my capital had an absoutely poo poo place, but thankfully I tend to play with abundant resources so just north was a small sea that had 4 whale ties and 1 fish tile nearby a coastal wheat tile and some olives further south.  splifyphus posted:Same problem here. I'm investing so much into loving around with all the art that my science is just poo poo. No, you should have taken on the world as the Republic of Free Morocco. 
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Question for my inevitable Venice run, when you buy a city-state you lose that city-state's vote in The World Congress don't you?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Question for my inevitable Venice run, when you buy a city-state you lose that city-state's vote in The World Congress don't you? Yup! It's a huge trade-off, be careful who you annex.
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Related, do you have to get a certain relationship level with them to buy or can you just send the settler over and hit 'buy'? I can see it being useful for handling troublesome city-states in that case.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Related, do you have to get a certain relationship level with them to buy or can you just send the settler over and hit 'buy'? I can see it being useful for handling troublesome city-states in that case. Just waltz right in and buy.
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Just finished my first game of BNW. Got a cultural victory as Brazil. It was kind rough at first as the tech speed felt a little off. It didn't help that all my luxuries were in Jungles so I had to go for both Bronze Working and Calendar to get them hooked up. I had a lot of wonders sniped from me, most notably Chichen Itza (gently caress you, Washington ) and the Colossus, but once I got my tech on track I was cranking out all the culture wonders before anyone knew what they were. My very first act upon founding the World Congress was to pass the military tax because Shaka was right next door, and I wasn't having any of his poo poo. I would have liked to get my religion going, but I started next to Pacal, who never stopped vomiting missionaries. By the end of the game I didn't even need Carnivale to dominate everyone with my culture. I even got to see a city flip, because for some reason the Shoshone thought it'd be a great idea to go Order after I'd filled out my Freedom tree and was pushing 300 tourism. I guess he just wanted an extra 20 unhappiness. I think I'll go Venice next and really mess around with trade routes as more than a means to push my jeans on the rest of the world.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Question for my inevitable Venice run, when you buy a city-state you lose that city-state's vote in The World Congress don't you? Keep in mind that it isn't like Austria's Annex. You can just walk up to any city state, get in their borders and you own their rear end. Its quite liberating. I just finished my Venice Culture run. It was... weird. I started super far away from everyone (this seems to happen a lot with Venice). Bummed around for a while before finally annexing a City State in the middle of the continent and throwing caravans EVERYWHERE. Got in a proxy war with Attila vs. The USA (Sorry bros, better you than me), only to have them surrender New York without ever seeing another one of my troops. From that point on I basically just built up money and sniped each and every cultural wonder I could put my hands on. I spread my religion across the entire continent, getting even more money in the process and waited for the inevitable fight with Attila. He didn't dissapoint but by defensive pacts kicked his rear end with me firing barely a shot out of anywhere but New York. After that? Nothing. I had a few 'Attila is plotting against you' but I even though he had the larger military I had a brutal choke point so he just decided... no. Took my stacks on stacks and ruthlessly bought out every city state on the map. Never got in another war, even with the grumpy folks on the neighboring continent. Made my religion the world religion and kinda sat back while the numbers ticked up. I think that is my one complaint about the new cultural victory, very underwhelming. When I got down to 8/9 civs influenced I expected a brawl for the finish line, but I was able to just keep happily pressing 'Next Turn' until I won.
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Caros posted:I started super far away from everyone (this seems to happen a lot with Venice). Venice tends to start at the best possible coastal start available on the map which on some map scripts (continents) is very often not actually on a continent.
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gently caress Poland and the veritable gauntlet of Galleasses that were/are pounding the poo poo out of my troops, literally ever coast tile had one, making me lose Lodz two turns after I'd captured it, and 90% of the force I had trying to take Warsaw. Also, gently caress Siam and their candyass Elephants sitting around doing dick and taking up siege space.
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gently caress Poland and the veritable gauntlet of Galleasses that were/are pounding the poo poo out of my troops, literally every coast tile had one, making me lose Lodz two turns after I'd captured it, and 90% of the force I had trying to take Warsaw. Also, gently caress Siam and their candyass Elephants sitting around doing dick and taking up siege space.
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Tao Jones posted:C:\Users\[user name]\Documents\My Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 5\Saves\single Thanks, anyone interested can find the initial autosave at http://www.2shared.com/file/KCWusRZZ/AutoSave_Initial_0000_BC-4000.html It's a Pocatello Fractal map on King. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jul 10, 2013 |
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The White Dragon posted:Thanks, anyone interested can find the initial autosave at http://www.2shared.com/file/KCWusRZZ/AutoSave_Initial_0000_BC-4000.html What DLC does it use? I don't have any DLC beyond the Mongolia and Inca/Spain packs. 
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Why the gently caress are barbarians more prosperous than ever? I will see 3 barbarians assaulting me from every side in like, 3200 b.c. when the most I can have is maybe a second warrior. 
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Should I leave city ruins alone for archeologists to mess around in later on in the game? I always replace them with more useful improvements.
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Has anyone captured a handaxe as germany? Does it upgrade into a gatling gun?
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