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Unfortunately that doesn't tell me anything about the cost to actually use the option to add an additional CPU license, while I'd assume that it's (hopefully) less than the cost of a new vCenter Std instance, I'd be nice to know that ahead of time.
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Wicaeed posted:For those in the know, how quickly can VMware become prohibitively expensive? quote:I understand that it would be quite a leap for them to go from a 500 dollar-per-cluster cost ( we already have hardware, mostly), having not really been paying anything for virtualization at the beginning of this year (we had maybe five or six standalone vSphere servers running a total of maybe 50 VMs), to 3 (planned) standalone vCenter Essentials clusters (w/ 3 hosts each) running in the office. If all you need is vMotion, Storage vMotion, High Availibility, vSphere standard is a good choice If you want power saving features like DPM, or automated load balancing, Enterprise is good If you need more overhead into storage network Enterprise plus is also good. Remember you can always upgrade standard=>enterprise/+, essenstials Kits not so much.. Acceleration kits Are a good value and are expandable, unlike essentials which are locked to 3 hosts. quote:I'm curious to find out how prohibitive the cost is to go from that single, standalone vCenter Essentials cluster at 500 dollars, to something that would support 3 VMware clusters running on a single vCenter instance. Do the Essentials kits even support upgrading/adding on licenses that would allow you to add hosts or would you have to start at vSphere Standard and start using the scalable licensing? Go through a reseller and get a quote. Just don't let them shove Enterprise plus down your throat if you don't need it, Nitr0's post has a nice comparison of everything, find what you feel your environment needs. Wicaeed posted:Unfortunately that doesn't tell me anything about the cost to actually use the option to add an additional CPU license, while I'd assume that it's (hopefully) less than the cost of a new vCenter Std instance, I'd be nice to know that ahead of time. http://www.vmware.com/products/datacenter-virtualization/vsphere/pricing.html Keep in mind most of this is MSRP, your VAR/Reseller may have deals adjustable prices Serfer posted:I don't see what else you could tell from it, but: Was originally 4.1 ESX by chance upgraded to 5.0=>5.1? Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Jul 11, 2013 |
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The power and cooling savings alone are ridiculous when you get that kind of density.
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evil_bunnY posted:The power and cooling savings alone are ridiculous when you get that kind of density. Yeah not to mention reduced port count/switch cost, wiring, total size, warranties, power draw.
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Wicaeed posted:For those in the know, how quickly can VMware become prohibitively expensive? Throw that poo poo in Amazon. We moved something simlar to AWS, and we're saving assloads of money. Bring it up... test... bring it down. pay by the hour.
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Just checking in to say I've completed a migration at work from 3x Dell 2950s running the free ESXi and local storage to 3x R520s with 96GB RAM each, dual Xeon E5-2450 and an HP P2000 G3 SAN with the vSphere Essentials Plus kit and finished the migration off this evening. Sort of learnt by doing over the past few years but will be hanging around in here to hopefully help out people in similar situations and pick up some tips for larger deployments.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Was originally 4.1 ESX by chance upgraded to 5.0=>5.1? It also happened on the original 5.1 or 5.0 upgrade, in a different location, this is just happening every time now. Serfer fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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Caged posted:Just checking in to say I've completed a migration at work from 3x Dell 2950s running the free ESXi and local storage to 3x R520s with 96GB RAM each, dual Xeon E5-2450 and an HP P2000 G3 SAN with the vSphere Essentials Plus kit and finished the migration off this evening. Sort of learnt by doing over the past few years but will be hanging around in here to hopefully help out people in similar situations and pick up some tips for larger deployments. How much did all of that cost, if you don't mind sharing? I need more reasons to hate the stupid purchasing decisions my boss has made.
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We're in the UK so these prices are ex VAT and in GBP. SAN with 10x 600GB 2.5" SAS disks and 12 3.5" 1TB NLSAS and switches was £12500 about 8 months ago, VM hosts were just over £4000 each and bought last week. Software license was £1500 with production support since we are education, but I think it's still pretty cheap if you aren't.
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Is there any service that provides test lab VMs for a nominal fee? I'm working on certifications and am running a few server VMs on my home computer, but it chugggggs along and I hardly get anything done. Having a VM on a dedicated server farm that I can remote to would be fantastic. Does such a service exist?
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Am I missing something or is Windows Azure exactly what you want? 90 day trial as well so you can probably get the certs before you need to pay anything.
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Caged posted:Am I missing something or is Windows Azure exactly what you want? 90 day trial as well so you can probably get the certs before you need to pay anything. How did I never know this existed  Thanks!
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Serfer posted:Yeah, it started as 4.1 or 4.0 ESXi, upgraded to 5.0, then 5.1. That was a 5.1 to 5.1u1a upgrade there. Darn I was going to ask the capacity of the boot partion, I've seen some weird errors
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Also anyone who is curious Updating this thread during VMworld. E; Ahh gently caress thought I hit edit
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I'm trying to learn Hyper-V, so I installed the core version on a small server I have here at home. I have a couple 3tb drives that I put in it for storage drives. Problem is, while Hyper-v can tell that they are 3tb drives, it will only format them as 2tb drives. Is there anything I can do do fix this?
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Jul 13, 2013 08:04
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Sounds like you used MBR partitions instead of GPT, check that first?
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Gnomedolf posted:I'm trying to learn Hyper-V, so I installed the core version on a small server I have here at home. I have a couple 3tb drives that I put in it for storage drives. Problem is, while Hyper-v can tell that they are 3tb drives, it will only format them as 2tb drives. Is there anything I can do do fix this? if you are in the learning stages I would vouch for not starting with Core. But yeah they are probably MBR, they need to be GPT.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:if you are in the learning stages I would vouch for not starting with Core. But yeah they are probably MBR, they need to be GPT. Core isn't terrible as long as you have a Windows 8 machine to administer it from. And if you can jump through all of the irritating hoops to make the two trust each other without a domain back-end. I still haven't tried SMB 3.0 as shared storage, any one have any horror stories?
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I hadn't used diskpart in a long time, but using Core made me dredge all that old info up. The drives now format at full capacity once I figured out how to make them GPT. Thanks for the info. And yes, setting up Core in a workgroup environment is a bit of a pain, but there are a couple Youtube video walkthru's that take you right through it. The biggest annoynce is that if I want to create a new VM, I have to run the commands from the Core. Trying to do it via Hyper-V Manager causes the new VM wizard to hang when creating the VHD. It was addressed in the video, so it must be a common thing if you're using it in a workgroup.
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Another question: One of my VM's is a Server 2012 Essentials VM with a local domain. I have joined other VM's to the domain. Is it okay to add the Server Core to the domain?
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Gnomedolf posted:Another question: One of my VM's is a Server 2012 Essentials VM with a local domain. I have joined other VM's to the domain. Is it okay to add the Server Core to the domain? If I'm understanding what you want to do correctly, this will be fine right up until the day the essentials vm has a problem and you can't log into the server core installation that is running it because it can't contact the domain controller which is a virtual machine that is supposed to be running under it but isn't.
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thebigcow posted:If I'm understanding what you want to do correctly, this will be fine right up until the day the essentials vm has a problem and you can't log into the server core installation that is running it because it can't contact the domain controller which is a virtual machine that is supposed to be running under it but isn't. OK, thanks. Next question: I'm running the R2 Preview of Hyper-V 2012 Core. Will there be an in-place upgrade for it when the final is released? Or will it be a fresh install?
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Gnomedolf posted:OK, thanks.
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Is it possible to run microsoft hyper-v server 2012 r2 inside of virtualbox? I'm guessing no, but just checking. 8.1 and 2012r2 run just fine on my laptop. I just wanted to see if I could...go deeper. Laptop is an ivy bridge thinkpad with vt-d enabled (i5-3320m).
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Hadlock posted:Is it possible to run microsoft hyper-v server 2012 r2 inside of virtualbox? I'm guessing no, but just checking. 8.1 and 2012r2 run just fine on my laptop. I just wanted to see if I could...go deeper. Laptop is an ivy bridge thinkpad with vt-d enabled (i5-3320m). You should be able to run hyper-v within virtual box, as long as vt-x/"Virtualization support" is enabled in the bios. Same goes for Xen or ESXi
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:You should be able to run hyper-v within virtual box, as long as vt-x/"Virtualization support" is enabled in the bios. I'm pretty sure that Virtualbox doesn't do nested virt, and Hyper-V requires it. Like KVM, but unlike ESXi and Xen, though both of those have limitations without it -- ESXi won't do 64 bit guests, Xen won't do HVM. I'm also pretty sure that Hyper-V won't do nested virt. So your options for running Hyper-V inside of something else are: ESXi (not practical on a laptop) KVM with nested virt (you probably don't want this as a Windows user) Pay for Workstation, which will actually do it
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Ah okay, I haven't used virtualbox in quite some time Use VMplayer http://www.vmware.com/products/player/
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Ah okay, I haven't used virtualbox in quite some time You could link to documentation instead of a random product link, but I'm guessing that you didn't actually check whether or not Player supports nested virt before you suggested it. The feature set of Player isn't comparable to Workstation, and it's not even really comparable to VirtualBox (other than the fact that it does nested virt). For random playing around, it's fine, but Workstation is still a better choice if you want to do anything moderately complicated, like setting up VM teams to test Hyper-V live migration/etc.
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evol262 posted:You could link to documentation instead of a random product link, but I'm guessing that you didn't actually check whether or not Player supports nested virt before you suggested it. Well i thought he wanted to run Hyper-v in 2012   Seems to run for me, I don't know about doing Player=>2012=>additional hypervisors, but to me it looked like he was asking about just running it.
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If I can get it running using a free VM client and poke around, fantastic. I may try and launch a freedos vm to see if it will BSOD, but mainly I'm curious to poke around with a free version of Windows that offers NIC teaming. Looks like I will need to get newer hardware if I want to play with the hyper-v portion of the OS. Thanks all.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Seems to run for me, I don't know about doing Player=>2012=>additional hypervisors, but to me it looked like he was asking about just running it. What I meant is what nested virt actually needs to be enabled before you can start a Hyper-V guest (ESXi does not have this restriction because it'll still do binary translation), and enabling it is not immediately obvious.
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Is there a best practices guide for P2V an NT4 Workstation? Specifically what I'd need to do to switch from a physical SCSI disk on a no-name SCSI card to whatever VMware Workstation can support. I realize NT4 is basically dead at this point, but I've got a Pentium 166-something running some archaic but critical data processing software in one of the physics labs I look after. I'd really prefer not to be in panic mode when this thing inevitably bites the dust. I've done a precautionary raw disk dump of the 1gb SCSI disk, but as expected when I try to import it into a custom VM in Workstation and Fusion I get the INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE BSOD. I'm not really sure what the best practices would be for telling NT4 that it's running on a bone stock IDE drive now instead of a SCSI disk on some old SCSI card.
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Martytoof posted:Is there a best practices guide for P2V an NT4 Workstation? Specifically what I'd need to do to switch from a physical SCSI disk on a no-name SCSI card to whatever VMware Workstation can support. vCenter Converter doesn't support NT or 2k as targets any longer. Your best bet is to get the relatively ancient VMware Server, ESX 3/3.4/4.0, or something of a similar era along with an old version of converter (3.0.3 should work) and P2V it onto Server then move the VMDK to your current vSphere environment. Let vCenter Converter handle the uglies of telling NT4 all the things that have changed. Clonezilla, Acronis, and other solutions may be able to get you to an intermediate step that you can import into vSphere (I've never tried), but it's probably not worth the effort to gently caress with them.
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I will give the old server a shot, thanks!
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Misogynist posted:Microsoft traditionally hasn't had a supported upgrade path from prerelease to RTM versions, including with Windows 8. I don't suspect 2012 R2 will change this policy. That's a bummer. I guess I'll wait until it nears the expiration date and then reinstall. Has there been any unsupported methods of upgrading from Preview? This is just my lab at home, so I'm not worried about production stuff.
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OK in case anyone is in my shoes and has to P2V a terrible NT4 workstation, I was having some trouble with the old VMware converters, so I did the following, which is probably eight kinds of roundabout and not-recommended, but it got me up and running: I had a physical dd dump of the SCSI hard drive from the NT4 workstation. I used qemu-img to convert it to vmdk since I was having no luck using VMware's commandline tools. Create a new custom virtual machine in Fusion based on existing vmdk. This defaulted to type IDE. Boot VM to make sure NT at least attempts to load. It does, but will likely fail on INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE if you used any sort of exotic disk controller. Now you need to find out what driver your boot device used. It'll be in C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS. Mine was ql510.sys or something like that. This is probably the hardest part since you might have no loving idea. Find a boot CD ISO that will let you edit an NTFS file system, or otherwise mount your vmdk. I'm on a Mac so I just used that nt password reset boot disk that everyone's tried at some point. To get my system to boot I just copied ql510.sys to _ql510.sys, then copied ATAPI.SYS over top of ql510.sys. After that everything booted fine. Just installed VMware Tools and everything seems to be hunky dory. I realize this is a huge hack, but it might come in handy. There is probably a better way to change the boot device driver without having access to the running OS (which technically I do, but I don't want to make any changes to the live machine) but I'm not really familiar with the ins and outs of NT4.
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I'm about to leave my current position, but before I do they finally gave me $3k for a machine to run ESXi instead of borrowing space on the corporate machines. It'll run 3-4 VMs at most which will mostly be Linux performing kernel compiles, toolchain development, FPGA simulation, etc. No real application servers. I think I want to optimize for CPU performance (lots of fast cores if possible though if it comes down to it I'd trade clock speed for more cores), and maybe some SSDs for the OSes. My gut is to go shopping for a PowerEdge or similar for a twin-socket Xeon configuration, is there something else I should be doing? e: and I need to see if our IT department will give us rack space, so no idea if it's a tower or rackomunt yet.
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movax posted:I'm about to leave my current position, but before I do they finally gave me $3k for a machine to run ESXi instead of borrowing space on the corporate machines. For something like that it really comes just down to how much beefy HW you can get for your buck. Dell or HP would be fine, ML350's are pretty decent for the price, I'd probably lean to whichever vendor they use most commonly however. Dell will give you a T320/E5-2407/32GB ram/4x600GB@15K drives/H710 raid controller w/ 512MB cache for ~2780 Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jul 17, 2013 |
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:For something like that it really comes just down to how much beefy HW you can get for your buck. Dell or HP would be fine, ML350's are pretty decent for the price, I'd probably lean to whichever vendor they use most commonly however. Yeah, I started looking at the T420/T620 for some twin E5-2430 action. I need to double-check the appropriate amount of DIMMs though as Dell's configurator is confusing me and the last Xeon platform I designed had the memory channels purposefully curtailed. I think giving each CPU 2x8GB DIMMs at least is a decent start (that and ESXi maxes out at 32GB for the free version)
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How dramatic of a speed decrease will I see if I store my VM on a network drive, which is a rotational HDD, if both machines are Gig-E? Once the machine boots on the remote machine, it seems that there's no performance hit unless you're doing sustained data-intensive read/write ops. This is for home use, not production.
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