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Super Ninja Fish posted:I really can't imagine how you could tolerate FF9 if you found FF4's encounter rate annoying and didn't like FF4's setting. I definitely think you'd prefer 6 or 7 way over FF9 based on this post.
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But once you get in a fight you better have a sammich made because you ain't leaving any time soon.1`
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The Welper posted:This is good advice for the long-haul as well. A Melee character will become pretty strong during the 2nd half of a first play-through, but if you jump up in difficulty after one completion the danger comes full-circle and you'll be getting crushed by most of the beginner monsters again. Best advice is to try to build towards a character that will allow you to summon/maintain at least one good pet(or set of pets, in the case of /Nature) to help absorb some of the incoming damage. Pets are kinda the opposite of melee, really strong in the beginning, but pretty much useless once you reach the later acts. Then you restart on a higher difficulty and they get buffed and become super strong again. I really enjoyed my pet character since I didn't have to keep clicking on every single enemy, and I can just sit back and watch everything die.
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Super Ninja Fish posted:Back on page 77 about FF4. I loving hate FF4 and love FF9. FF4 has a boring setting, one-note characters, nothing going for the battle system, etc. I honestly think people only like it because of nostalgia.
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Super Ninja Fish posted:Back on page 77 about FF4. Zidane acquires the Flee skill fairly early, which is a 100% run from battle skill.
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Final Fantasy 4's innovation was being a console rpg that told a story. This innovation has been picked up by every game ever released, unlike the mix and match job system of ff5 or the large cast that get split up and must be recollected thing and multiple party gimmick of ff6, which has only been reused sparingly. This is why ff5 and 6 are interesting to revisit (especially with an actual coherent translation in the gba versions) and why ff4 is a dry turd.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Zidane acquires the Flee skill fairly early, which is a 100% run from battle skill. It still made you wait for 15 seconds of loading and the camera swirling around for the battle to start, then you had to wait for Zidane's ATB meter to fill up, wait for an enemy's slow animation if they attacked first, then you had to wait 5 more seconds of loading time after the battle. Even using flee all the time, going through some dungeons still felt very tedious. It's not the case like in FF4 where a random battle presents almost no distraction at all if you're not in the mood to fight it. I also remember this one dungeon where you didn't have Zidane and couldn't use flee as being particularly insanely frustrating. I replay FF4 often. I'd have to be paid to replay FF9.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:DA:O's graphics were a loving offense to humanity. And for an actual post - how do the transfer mechanics in Valkyrie Profile 1 work, exactly? I've played the game before and gotten the best ending, but I've still never fully understood the mechanic. Is there a guide out there that explains it comprehensively?
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Super Ninja Fish posted:I replay FF4 often. I'd have to be paid to replay FF9. Please seek help
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9 at least has remotely interesting characters and story to keep it going. Yeah 4 is technically paced better, but I'd much rather have something that's slow and interesting rather than something that's fast yet boring. Heck I'll go so far as to say I feel kind of insulted by FF4's story these days.
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Endorph posted:Does anyone have that gif of Alistair's head turning into a giant purple beast and flying towards the camera? That was my favorite graphical glitch in any game ever. You don't really have to understand it fully. Just send up someone with the required hero value every chapter and Odin will stay happy. You'll get slightly better rewards from him if the einherjar you send has the skills Freya asks for (I don't think the level of the skill matters). Equipment matters too I think, just give them whatever you can afford/have lying around.
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You basically get points for A) Their Hero Value B) How closely they fill the requirements. C) Their equipment. (Less important, just give them whatever crap, just don't send them naked.) There are also certain kinds of equipment which count as "skills" for the purpose of requests. If he asks for a Negotiator, for example, there are items called Angel Lips which say they increase your negotiation ability and you get additional points for that. A lot of the weird/passive items that seem useless actually either grant a trait or remove a trait. 90% of the time this is pretty meaningless because if you send up a character with high Hero Value then the negative traits don't matter. The basic rule of thumb is to max out every single one of a character's traits before sending them up. (Give them an Necklace before each level up and this is trivial.) Reducing their negative traits also basically eliminates them as a thing. The only one that MIGHT be an issue is Sacrificing and as long as you have a high hero value that shouldn't actually come into play because the character will never ever fail a battle. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jul 19, 2013 |
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Head Hit Keyboard posted:9 at least has remotely interesting characters and story to keep it going. Yeah 4 is technically paced better, but I'd much rather have something that's slow and interesting rather than something that's fast yet boring. I've also replayed FF4 probably about a dozen times over the years but will almost certainly never ever revisit FF9. E: The best part of FF9 is the airship music. Loved that track. Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Jul 19, 2013 |
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Super Ninja Fish posted:It still made you wait for 15 seconds of loading and the camera swirling around for the battle to start, then you had to wait for Zidane's ATB meter to fill up, wait for an enemy's slow animation if they attacked first, then you had to wait 5 more seconds of loading time after the battle. Even using flee all the time, going through some dungeons still felt very tedious. It's not the case like in FF4 where a random battle presents almost no distraction at all if you're not in the mood to fight it. Fair enough, there is significant loading etc. time required to actually flee. I've played through FF9 multiple times (and I'm considering getting it from the PS Store), and I've never reallly considered the encounter rate to be an issue, with the exception of Kuja's Palace. But really, that whole dungeon can just get the gently caress out.
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Quoting this from the Steam thread: What's the opinion here on Mars: War Logs? (Apologies if discussed before) I got it cheap, and, having played played for an hour, it looks good for a budget title and very well optimized. The only cramp is the sluggish camera. It got middling reviews from the press but I'm more inclined to follow seasoned goons. I probably wouldn't have bothered with Alpha Protocol were it not for the thread.
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I see about the Transfer stuff. I figured for most of that, I just wasn't sure if there was anything deeper going on. Also, what sick bastard decided that the guy you have to sacrifice for the best ending should be ridiculously good? Lucian has trouble not creating millions of gems and crystals.
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Nate RFB posted:I hated 9's cast outside of Steiner and that rat person. I especially hated Zidane and Kuja. 4's is simple but that was fine in such a simple story. Steiner is super awesome though.
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Wendell posted:Steiner is super awesome though. How can a bro not appreciate the bromance between Zidane and Vivi, especially the scenes at Black Mage Village? Steiner is awesome too, and his pep talk in Pandemonium is one of my favorite moments in the entire story. I like all the characters and I think they all fill significant roles in the overarching theme of the game. edit: or the bro scenes at Madain Sari, where Zidane teaches Vivi how to piss like a grown rear end man. Grand Theft Autobot fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jul 19, 2013 |
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FF4 is awesome and by far my favorite and most played FF, but I'll admit that my love of it is deep rooted in nostalgia. Back in 1991, I remember thinking the game was over then suddenly you go to the motherfucking moon. I mean, come on. That last dungeon on the moon was epic at the time too.
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jerkstore77 posted:FF4 is awesome and by far my favorite and most played FF, but I'll admit that my love of it is deep rooted in nostalgia. Back in 1991, I remember thinking the game was over then suddenly you go to the motherfucking moon. I mean, come on. That last dungeon on the moon was epic at the time too. Also at the time, the apparent deaths of your companions, especially in such dramatic fashion, was a huge deal. As an 11-year-old, losing Yang was not cool at all.
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So a new Star Ocean game was announced today. It features lots of terrible art for all the characters in the series. Its an iPhone card RPG. 
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Mill Village posted:So a new Star Ocean game was announced today. It features lots of terrible art for all the characters in the series. It looks pretty bad, that cartoon cat is trying to kill itself to get out of it.
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It's like they're actively trying to get me to retroactively hate Star Ocean 2. I'm afraid it's working  Content: Has there been any news from the guy who
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'Material Trader' is the most boring name for a game I can possibly imagine.
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I thought FF9 was great because it had legitimate arcs for most of the characters. They did drop the ball on Quino and Amarant though, those guys just felt like they had no place.
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a medical mystery posted:I thought FF9 was great because it had legitimate arcs for most of the characters. They did drop the ball on Quino and Amarant though, those guys just felt like they had no place. Amarant had roughly 1000x more development than Freya
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Endorph posted:'Material Trader' is the most boring name for a game I can possibly imagine.
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Cardiovorax posted:"Stuff Doer." Well, maybe that's not quite as boring. At least it implies that there is stuff and you're doing it. Material Trader is just that. You are trading materials. Even if the materials are illicit drugs, that's pretty drat boring.
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Endorph posted:I see about the Transfer stuff. I figured for most of that, I just wasn't sure if there was anything deeper going on. You also get cool little scenes whenever you send up two plot-related characters in the same chapter, like Suo and Shiho or Kashell and Lawfer. I've only ever seen any of them on my challenge run where I tried to send up every character and played on easy mode so I didn't get any of the good artifacts.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:What's the opinion here on Mars: War Logs? (Apologies if discussed before) I got it cheap, and, having played played for an hour, it looks good for a budget title and very well optimized. The only cramp is the sluggish camera. It got middling reviews from the press but I'm more inclined to follow seasoned goons. I probably wouldn't have bothered with Alpha Protocol were it not for the thread. What is there is good, but it's obvious that the game itself (especially its the latter parts) are quite unfinished. Plot progresses way too fast for what story the game tries to tell- for example, one enemy's plot in particular is resolved in the space of less than a minute if you're good at combat, with said enemy getting a few seconds of introduction a few hours before. Basically, I'd say Mars: War Logs is a collection of good ideas shoddily executed, and I wish that the devs had more time and money to develop it- we could've had a Space Witcher or something, instead of the solidly 5.5/10 (in my opinion) game that we did get. That said, it's certainly worth $10 though, if you ask me.
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I played Xenoblade, last story, and pandoras tower on the wii and enjoyed them. Are there any other good RPGs on the wii?
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Opoona is a decent RPG. Hardcore Gaming 101 recently posted a good article about it if you're interested.
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Mill Village posted:Opoona is a decent RPG. Hardcore Gaming 101 recently posted a good article about it if you're interested. The best part is, it can be had anywhere from $2-$7 dollars CIB. It's one of the Wii games that's on the real cheap end in terms of price.
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Two questions: I recently bought Project X Zone because I thought the concept was kind of hilarious, and I generally have a very high tolerance (quota, even) for super-Japanese/Anime games and thought the concept was hilarious. The game was good for a while (even with no intelligible story to speak of) but I'm at Chapter 20, and the gameplay plateaued a couple of chapters ago. Has anybody else picked it up? Does the game pick up at all, or am I better off trading it in? Also, has anybody tried SMT4? I've never played Nocturne, but I did play the second one and I was pretty okay with it, though it was dated. Any thoughts? MockingQuantum fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jul 19, 2013 |
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Speaking of ARPGs, I know everyone hated Dungeon Seige 3's PC version because of the controls (which have since been patched) but I heard good things about the story and the battle system/skills progression. Is it worth playing with the controls patch and DLC or should I just stick with DS2?
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MockingQuantum posted:Two questions: I recently bought Project X Zone because I thought the concept was kind of hilarious, and I generally have a very high tolerance (quota, even) for super-Japanese/Anime games and thought the concept was hilarious. The game was good for a while (even with no intelligible story to speak of) but I'm at Chapter 20, and the gameplay plateaued a couple of chapters ago. Has anybody else picked it up? Does the game pick up at all, or am I better off trading it in? Project X Zone never gets any better or changes. Stage 28 for example involves fighting 5 bosses you've beaten before and then you fight them again int he next stage. SMTIV is absolutely excellent. It's also incredibly modern; if it played like the old ones I'd tell you to pass but this game has every sort of modern convenience you can imagine while keeping the battles brutal and incredibly strategic and short.
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OSheaman posted:Speaking of ARPGs, I know everyone hated Dungeon Seige 3's PC version because of the controls (which have since been patched) but I heard good things about the story and the battle system/skills progression. Is it worth playing with the controls patch and DLC or should I just stick with DS2? DS3 is completely different from DS2. DS2 is a Diablo styled ARPG, while DS3 reminded me more of Japanese console ARPGs like Secret of Mana or Ys. I was a big fan of console ARPGs as a kid so I enjoyed DS3, but it is really nothing like DS2, unless you are really interested in the lore of Dungeon Siege for some reason.
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OSheaman posted:Speaking of ARPGs, I know everyone hated Dungeon Seige 3's PC version because of the controls (which have since been patched) but I heard good things about the story and the battle system/skills progression. Is it worth playing with the controls patch and DLC or should I just stick with DS2? It's okay as a standalone title but neither the story nor gameplay have much to do with the previous DS games. It basically feels like S/E wanted to release a Dungeon Siege title after they bought the franchise rights and asked Obsidian to slap a few throwbacks into their own half-finished IP to make it fit. The story is completely forgettable although you can make a few choices that affect the epilogue and the camera suffers horribly in multiplayer because it stays fixed onto the hosting player's character only. Loot just makes the numbers on your dude go up, nothing flashy or exciting about it. All that being said, the single-player combat is pretty fun on higher difficulties and the story is engaging enough for a full playthrough, but not much more. It's thoroughly average.
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