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Women get custody as a side effect of the legacy of being considered as belonging in the home with the children instead of working, the fact that it works against men in certain cases doesn't make it misandry
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Jul 25, 2013 05:41
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Intruder posted:Women get custody as a side effect of the legacy of being considered as belonging in the home with the children instead of working, the fact that it works against men in certain cases doesn't make it misandry I think it's somewhat comparable to a black student being directed away from academics and towards athleticism because of the color of his skin. Sometimes it ends up working to the benefit of the black student but it's still racism.
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Jul 25, 2013 05:49
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http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2013/07/29/130729sh_shouts_hodgman One of my friends posted this on facebook, anyone got any advice on how best to express "Hey, a look into the gaping maw of utter loving insanity"
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Jul 25, 2013 05:52
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Magres posted:http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2013/07/29/130729sh_shouts_hodgman It's by John Hodgman, he's written TWO books full of total insane hilarious bullshit. Edit: In a section about casinos (an industry I work in) he includes a list of things that CASINOS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW: -They pump oxygen into the casino to make sure you don't suffocate and accidentally stop gambling. -Many of the dealers are actually hidden cameras. -If you ask nicely enough, the casino is required by federal law to give you all your money back. Dr. Arbitrary fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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Jul 25, 2013 05:55
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:It's by John Hodgman, he's written TWO books full of total insane hilarious bullshit. Three, actually. And man, he sure does do a good Ayn Rand, as demonstrated on his episode of Paul F. Tompkins' Dead Authors Podcast.
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Jul 25, 2013 06:01
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I Before E posted:Three, actually. And man, he sure does do a good Ayn Rand, as demonstrated on his episode of Paul F. Tompkins' Dead Authors Podcast. drat, I've got to get that book. I watched his comedy special on Netflix the other day and he was saying something along the lines of "You probably don't know me from the Daily Show or my books, but instead from the I'm a Mac and I'm a PC commercials." I felt bad because I was thinking, "No! I totally know you from the daily show and your books and that weird TED speech about Dune"
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I think it's somewhat comparable to a black student being directed away from academics and towards athleticism because of the color of his skin. Sometimes it ends up working to the benefit of the black student but it's still racism. That's exactly why it's so hidden and draws out so many smugposts when it is mentioned. Societies set expectations for men and grind them in at an early age to the point that many people are incapable of thinking outside of these expectations. A few men currently run the world, but the vast majority of homeless are men, and men suffer nearly all of the workplace and combat-related death and dismemberment. I don't want to be painted as a typical MRA misogynist and I certainly don't want to argue with the kind of douchey trolls that have already reared their heads, I just wanted to point out that there is a kernel of truth layered under the infected carcass of  griping.
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EightBit posted:I don't want to be painted as a typical MRA misogynist and I certainly don't want to argue with the kind of douchey trolls that have already reared their heads, I just wanted to point out that there is a kernel of truth layered under the infected carcass of MRAs are the greatest enemy to men's rights.
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Jul 25, 2013 06:13
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EightBit posted:That's exactly why it's so hidden and draws out so many smugposts when it is mentioned. Societies set expectations for men and grind them in at an early age to the point that many people are incapable of thinking outside of these expectations. A few men currently run the world, but the vast majority of homeless are men, and men suffer nearly all of the workplace and combat-related death and dismemberment. I think most of our ilk have come to the conclusion that that's a valid point and that the great tragedy of MRA-ism is that behind all the aggressive sexual frustration and misogyny, they actually do have a handful of legitimate grievances about gender-specific ways in which men get hosed over--they just make the insane jump to blame feminism rather than the actual culprit, traditional gender roles, whose greatest foes are, ironically, feminists. It's kind of a sad affair apart from how goddamn risible they are.
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/\/\/\e;fbVideoTapir posted:MRAs are the greatest enemy to men's rights. They really are. There are legitimate issues men face because of societal pressure. The push towards both violence and virility proving sex being the top. The best way to address these issues is to realize that working towards feminist goals helps to fix the problems men face. Tearing down traditional gender roles and leveling the playing field will make everyone's life better. The whole "RAAR MEN ARE THE REAL VICTIMS" bullshit just reinforces traditional, regressive thinking. Magres posted:Honestly, I wish it were socially acceptable for men to wear makeup. I would if it were. You are crazy. I went to a drag party with my girlfriend in college and make up is a pain in the rear end. She had to put on my eyeliner because I was scared of stabbing myself in the eye. I twitched so much that she almost stabbed me in the eye. I'd like for it to be socially acceptable to paint my nails though. I did that for about four years and loved it.
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EightBit posted:That's exactly why it's so hidden and draws out so many smugposts when it is mentioned. Societies set expectations for men and grind them in at an early age to the point that many people are incapable of thinking outside of these expectations.  What "expectations" are you referring to that can't be explained by patriarchal thinking? Are you talking about things like being financially successful (because women belong in the kitchen, not in the workforce), or how they need to be macho soldier men (because women can't hack it in the military), or how they need to be emotionally dead on the outside (because showing emotion is womanly, and women are irrational)? Like El Anansi said, a shitton of these "expectations" you're going on about being "misandry" are based in traditional gender roles at best, misogyny at worst.
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I've seen a lot of assumptions that males can't be in child care because it's assumed they're pedophiles. So that sucks. I'm reluctant to say Misandry is imbedded in the culture, I think that's more...intense than he meant. But acting like every bad thing that happens to men is actually just misogyny doesn't gather you a lot of followers. The self-flagellation that a lot of liberal white males go through is normal but a frustrating experience because it doesn't really impress anybody or get anything done.
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Jul 25, 2013 07:00
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Phone posted:Shitttttt looks like the Facebook thread was deleted right before I was going to effort post. gently caress! What? It's here. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3543357
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RagnarokAngel posted:I've seen a lot of assumptions that males can't be in child care because it's assumed they're pedophiles. It's not necessarily misandry, but things like this can often be tied back to traditional gender roles. The implication that a man can't care for children without being a pedophile is pretty easy to trace back to the idea that women are more nurturing (or the only ones capable of it) and if a man cares for a child that's not his own, he must have other motivations*. It definitely is lovely, and is a form of discrimination against men in child care, but it's important to look for the root cause and not stop at the surface symptom. On another point, I don't think that self-flagellation (I'M SORRY THAT I IDENTIFY AS MALE) is that important. I think it's more important that people should understand why some things are skewed against men in our society**. * N.B. I have no idea what the men/women/transfolk pedophile breakdown is. ** It's often because the role in question was seen as a woman's role (raising children, having feelings), or not fit for the delicate creatures that women are (military service). Also I'm fully prepared to be wrong about the importance of SWCM self-flagellation.
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Soonmot posted:/\/\/\e;fb Nah I'd just go with some foundation. My skin is generally pretty well-behaved, but it'd be nice to kill some of the splotchiness I get when I've shaved within the past two hours. Strom Cuzewon posted:What? It's here. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3543357 He meant the actual thread on facebook that he was writing in and screencapping for us. drat shame, too
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A lot of it just seems to come off like dismissing men's problems as illegitimate. I know that's not what you mean but it comes off as "oh come on don't gripe, women still have it harder", which while true we all know "there's worse suffering" doesn't make your problems go away. I'm not even a straight white male.
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:
I'm pretty sure he's not saying there are any, he was saying the same thing as El Anansi; he just didn't phrase it as clearly.
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SaltLick posted:
Never mind the Benghazi and anti-Muslim bullshit, I would defriend people simply for posting  content. That's horrible.EDIT: I bet its fake too.
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RagnarokAngel posted:A lot of it just seems to come off like dismissing men's problems as illegitimate. I know that's not what you mean but it comes off as "oh come on don't gripe, women still have it harder", which while true we all know "there's worse suffering" doesn't make your problems go away. I'm not even a straight white male. I think men's problems tend to get brushed aside because as far as feminists (myself included) are concerned, most of those problems will vanish on their own as we break down the patriarchy, traditional gender roles, and the mystique of the male machismo. Both of these things (I would argue male machismo especially) negatively impact men in a huge way - the fact that it's not really socially acceptable for men to show emotion other than happiness and anger is undoubtedly horrendous for men's mental well-beings (which would in part explain the higher suicide rate), and the "oh women are fragile and we have to provide for them and they belong at home taking care of the kids" is, to me, very obviously linked to men's higher workplace mortality (I'm a manly man gotta do the dangerous stuff so the delicate womenfolk don't have to), custody battles (in the link someone posted earlier, unless I was misreading it, even in cases where both parents contest for custody, it was pretty heavily slanted in the mom's favor) are an easy explanation, and higher homelessness because "we can't have women on the street! Their fragile little selves just can't take that kind of rough life" and we wind up with distorted capacity for homelessness relief for women vs men. Similar idea with physical violence between the genders - it's not acceptable to resort to violence for no reason, but the idea that women are weaker than men partly explains why it is so much more socially unacceptable for a man to hit a woman than for a woman to hit a man. If the genders become truly equal and women stop being treated as weak, there is no reason for many of men's problems to continue to perpetuate themselves. Like, even knowing all that, when I think of inter-gender violence, women hitting men is not acceptable, but men hitting women is still viscerally rage inducing. This stuff is extremely hard to combat because it's heavily ingrained in us and self-perpetuating, and getting derailed on addressing specific symptoms instead of attacking the root disease only makes it harder. Related, I haven't read it much but it looks good and our local Goon Feminism thread recommends it as an examination of how Feminism addresses men's problems and benefits us (it seems to specifically focus on male machismo, or at least its initial premise is on that subject) is http://www.achilleseffect.com/. The feminism thread OP has a chunk that summarizes as "You're a guy? Cool! Come be a feminist with us, we want to help you too, and here's how Feminism benefits both genders!  " and has some good info on this stuff.
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Jul 25, 2013 07:39
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gradenko_2000 posted:Never mind the Benghazi and anti-Muslim bullshit, I would defriend people simply for posting I thought Stevens died of smoke inhalation?
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muscles like this? posted:I thought Stevens died of smoke inhalation? Ambassador Stevens was actually HELPED by the libyan population, but it's not like a proof of humanity's inherent goodness would do for republicans, no, they had to spread rumors that he was tortured and possibly even raped!
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Jul 25, 2013 12:16
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gradenko_2000 posted:Never mind the Benghazi and anti-Muslim bullshit, I would defriend people simply for posting IIRC the Libyans in the photo believed that they'd managed to extract Stevens from the building alive and were attempting to carry him to the hospital to get him medical attention. Unfortunately they didn't succeed in saving his life. That Republican scaremongers immediately jump to claims that Stevens was tortured and/or raped says a lot about what they think of Muslims.
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SaltLick posted:
It looks to me like they're trying to give him CPR.
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What are they holding? Looks like a cattle prod, but that doesn't make sense.
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Tarezax posted:IIRC the Libyans in the photo believed that they'd managed to extract Stevens from the building alive and were attempting to carry him to the hospital to get him medical attention. Unfortunately they didn't succeed in saving his life. I remember the glee with which they all told each other that Gaddafi was sodomized (with a pistol?) before he was killed by vigilantes
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KoldPT posted:Ambassador Stevens was actually HELPED by the libyan population, but it's not like a proof of humanity's inherent goodness would do for republicans, no, they had to spread rumors that he was tortured and possibly even raped! wiki posted:At about 1 am the body of Ambassador Stevens was found by local citizens and taken to the Benghazi Medical Center. At the hospital Stevens was administered CPR for 90 minutes by Dr. Ziad Abu Zeid. According to Abu Zeid, Stevens died from asphyxiation caused by smoke inhalation. A 22-year-old freelance videographer, Fahd al-Bakoush, later published a video showing Libyans trying to extract the unconscious ambassador from a smoke-filled room, where he was found unconscious, which confirms reports that suggested the U.S. envoy died of asphyxiation after the building was set afire.    Those monsters... RagnarokAngel posted:What are they holding? Looks like a cattle prod, but that doesn't make sense. Doesn't even seem to be a picture of Stevens 
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Jul 25, 2013 13:32
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Magres posted:Honestly, I wish it were socially acceptable for men to wear makeup. I would if it were. Mostly, I'm just jealous of purses. I could always have hand sanitizer and a snack on me!
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Call Me Charlie posted:Doesn't even seem to be a picture of Stevens
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Coffee And Pie posted:Mostly, I'm just jealous of purses. I could always have hand sanitizer and a snack on me! Men are allowed to wear purses as long as it looks like a bag for bike poo poo.
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KoldPT posted:Ambassador Stevens was actually HELPED by the libyan population, but it's not like a proof of humanity's inherent goodness would do for republicans, no, they had to spread rumors that he was tortured and possibly even raped! I don't think I ever saw it explicitly stated, but this (Somalia) is what every conservative was thinking of when they saw those pictures:
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Coffee And Pie posted:Mostly, I'm just jealous of purses. I could always have hand sanitizer and a snack on me! Haha, I have a bag that amounts to a purse that no one has ever given me poo poo for more than once. It was part of my Grandfather's WW2 US Army issue Infantry kit. TGetting to say "If this is a 'manpurse', it's a Nazi Killing Manpurse" never gets old and has never failed to shut people up On the other hand, the only reason that works is because it plays into machismo ("rah my purse is for murdering bad people and that makes it tough and cool") and glorification of war. Maybe instead I'll just give people the finger when they make fun of my bag. People who are stupid enough to scoff at "lol manpurse" and enforce traditional gender roles like that don't deserve to know my bag's awesome history and have bad opinions that aren't worth caring about.
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Coffee And Pie posted:Mostly, I'm just jealous of purses. I could always have hand sanitizer and a snack on me! Skirts, man. Skirts in the heat are 100% more comfortable than pants or even shorts.
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aBagorn posted:Skirts, man. Skirts in the heat are 100% more comfortable than pants or even shorts. While this is true, there's no excuse for becoming a daily utilikilt wearer.   Sir Rolo fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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Sir Rolo posted:While this is true, there's no excuse for becoming a daily utilikilt wearer. Also good, especially for weekend wear. Though I do prefer the look of pencil skirts for work/going out. Marc Jacobs style
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I browsed a few pages back and couldn't find it on here, but I was forwarded this earlier today.quote:How a Miami School Crime Cover-Up Policy Led to Trayvon Martin's Death Literally "Trayvon Martin would be alive today if only he had been in prison"
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The Macaroni posted:That was my first thought. I don't know where that awful picture is from, but I don't think it's him (or even something from Benghazi). At least, if the picture crops up again, you guys'll be able to refute it.The picture was taken in 1986, during a period of Argentinian repression known as the Dirty War. Here's an article. http://noticias.univision.com/america-latina/argentina/article/2004-01-23/argentina-revive-el-drama-de#axzz2a4Owdaq2 (They have more pictures too, so just to be on the safe side.)The tool being used is called a picana electrica (a modified cattle prod), which sees almost no use outside of Argentina. It's not entirely clear (the fact I don't speak Spanish doesn't help) whether this depicts actual torture being carried out or a training exercise to educate soldiers in such methods. Regardless, the article was posted eight years before the Benghazi attack, so no way could it be Stevens. Nyarai fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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The "This needs to go viral" facebook post with the "Afterburner" segment from some douchebag Bill Whittle keeps popping up. Ugh. (Afterburner TV is an online show produced by none other than Pajamas Media- the self styled "center-right" news source. The same Pajamas Media that employed Joe the Plumber for about a week). Not even a minute after this shitbag host complains about the 'media' not doing its job to report the 'facts' in the case, he goes on and rattles off things that just aren't true- and uses a hell of a lot of heavy handed and colorful language. Sorry I only watched it on my phone, don't have the guts to launch it (or Facebook) here on the system I'm on now, or else I'd link it. Edit; ridiculously easy to find on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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Jul 25, 2013 16:47
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Nyarai posted:Gah, sometimes I hate the urge to research. This thread is honestly one of the best in SA, if for nothing else the absolutely huge trove of research and corrections you guys post. Thanks!
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Nyarai posted:Gah, sometimes I hate the urge to research. What makes me really sick is that someone knew this and made that image macro anyways.
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