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greatn posted:And Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3 not being "system sellers" whatever the hell that means I bet you know exactly what that means.
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Zomodok posted:Why is it that when Nintendo delays something it's called "The Nintendo Love" but when literally anybody else does it there is development problems and the game will turn out to poo poo I can't think of a delayed Nintendo game that wasn't at least good.
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Jul 30, 2013 18:59
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Heran Bago posted:Probably Ocarina of Time. I wonder what Wind Waker or Mario Sunshine would have been like with more "Nintendo Love." A bit better?
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Jul 30, 2013 19:00
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Kurtofan posted:I can't think of a delayed Nintendo game that wasn't at least good. Geist, Game and Wario.
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Jul 30, 2013 19:02
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And I mean look how Twilight Princess turned out!
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Jul 30, 2013 19:02
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Cyra posted:And I mean look how Twilight Princess turned out! I personally didn't think it was that bad. Not my favourite Zelda game but still good
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Jul 30, 2013 19:04
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Valve and Blizzard are both also famous for long development times that ultimately lead to really good games. Nintendo doesn't have that monopolized.
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Cyra posted:And I mean look how Twilight Princess turned out! Don't even have to go back that far. Skyward Sword was horrible.
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Jul 30, 2013 19:04
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Bovineicide posted:tldr: Nintendo doesn't have any killer-apps until March. New consoles come out in November. Worst bomb for them since Virtual Boy. From August through December there's 1-2 quality exclusives coming out per month, it's kind of wacky to wave your arms at that and say "NOPE THE UPCOMING SCHEDULE IS BARREN". Also, Twilight Princess was better than Skyward Sword.
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Jul 30, 2013 19:06
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Fallom posted:I bet you know exactly what that means. No, let him keep going! I'm waiting for him to claim that the Wii U will do great once X or Bayonetta 2 come out  Supercar Gautier posted:From August through December there's 1-2 quality exclusives coming out per month, it's kind of wacky to wave your arms at that and say "NOPE THE UPCOMING SCHEDULE IS BARREN". Yeah, but they do mean gently caress all this late in the game because none of them are Smash, Kart, a new Zelda, or an actual, honest-to-god new Mario game. Bovineicide fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jul 30, 2013 |
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Jul 30, 2013 19:07
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There needs to be a balance of quality and quantity, to keep the early supporters engaged and satisfied and the line up becomes more appeal to potential buyers. It's been said before but Nintendo should really have been better prepared for the 1st year in terms of their title line up, HD development should at least have been researched for the past 5 years rather than repeating the same mistakes as Sony and Microsoft last time. Quality titles like Pikmin 3 and W101 help make the system stand out and satisfy the current audience, but they will sadly not grab as many people like say a big Legend Of Zelda title. Important nonetheless otherwise you'll just cheese off your buyers. I know only one friend who has a Wii U (I don't have one) but he's a bit bored waiting for titles to arrive, so delays are not always the best thing so if you do have to delay a big game, at least be sure something great is coming along soon for the system.
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Valve and Blizzard also never announce anything anymore unless it's basically done, a tactic Nintendo has started using as of late, excepting the "launch window" games.
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Twilight Princess was the only Zelda game outside of Phantom Hourglass that I could not force myself to finish. There was something about it that was pretty soulless. I am guessing that it was the huge overworld because there was a huge overworld with absolutely nothing to do in it. It also felt like the towns were underdeveloped.
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Jul 30, 2013 19:09
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Strange Matter posted:Maybe because when most other companies delay games endlessly they still come out bad, but when Nintendo delays games they are usually good? Yeah twilight princess getting delayed all the way until the Wii launch was pretty bad, since the game I feel suffered for it. I feel the same about skyward sword but with that game it was probably delayed to make the controls more refined. Both games are just pretty bloated though.
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blackguy32 posted:Twilight Princess was the only Zelda game outside of Phantom Hourglass that I could not force myself to finish. There was something about it that was pretty soulless. I am guessing that it was the huge overworld because there was a huge overworld with absolutely nothing to do in it. It also felt like the towns were underdeveloped. That was definitely the case. It also didn't help that the game played loads better on the Gamecube than it did on the Wii for the simple fact that slashing wasn't so crap. I remember when I traded it in like 2 days after launch and I said I thought it was pretty bad the guy behind the counter looked like I shot his dog.
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Bovineicide posted:Yeah, but they do mean gently caress all this late in the game because none of them are Smash, Kart, a new Zelda, or an actual, honest-to-god new Mario game. But here for some reason you're selectively defining 3D World as "not a new Mario game".
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Barudak posted:That was definitely the case. It also didn't help that the game played loads better on the Gamecube than it did on the Wii for the simple fact that slashing wasn't so crap. I remember when I traded it in like 2 days after launch and I said I thought it was pretty bad the guy behind the counter looked like I shot his dog. I still get weird looks because I say I hated twilight princess, apparently the game was a goddamn masterpiece because almost everyone I know personally loved the poo poo out of it, but I didn't. Also when I say the game looks very blurry and ugly I get weird looks as well. It's just like how can you say it looks great when it's just so bloomy and brown?
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At least Twilight Princess was the initial key to a world of homebrew.
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DarthBlingBling posted:At least Twilight Princess was the initial key to a world of homebrew. There you go. I know it doesn't have mass appeal but a real game and system-seller for me would be homebrew. The kind that makes it so I can rip my games so I don't have to worry about scratches and modify their files so I can play fan created levels and translations.
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PonchAxis posted:I still get weird looks because I say I hated twilight princess, apparently the game was a goddamn masterpiece because almost everyone I know personally loved the poo poo out of it, but I didn't. Also when I say the game looks very blurry and ugly I get weird looks as well. It's just like how can you say it looks great when it's just so bloomy and brown? God it was so, so brown. I remember loading it up and wondering why nobody was talking about how incredibly ugly that game was. The whole thing plays like somebody put a grainy, brown filter over everything and it gives the whole world this dingy, dirty run-down look which certainly matched the lack of content. Traveling was terrible too because like 90% of the overworld was brown rocks, lighter brown dirt, or beige sand. Edit: To go from Wind Waker which was colorful and gorgeous to Twilight Princess was rough.
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Zomodok posted:Don't even have to go back that far. Skyward Sword was horrible.
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I vastly preferred Wind Waker and Skyward Sword to Twilight Princess.
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Supercar Gautier posted:But here for some reason you're selectively defining 3D World as "not a new Mario game". Because it's not a new Mario game. We already played it on the 3DS. This is what I'm talking about when I say that Nintendo's been focusing on the quick, easy to poo poo out games as opposed to something genuinely new. Yes, games like that have high attach rates, but they don't move consoles.
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Heran Bago posted:There you go. I know it doesn't have mass appeal but a real game and system-seller for me would be homebrew. The kind that makes it so I can rip my games so I don't have to worry about scratches and modify their files so I can play fan created levels and translations. Did the sales of games on the DS and Wii drop dramatically after the Wii was hacked open and the R4DS was made so user friendly their granny could use it? Also what is the right price for the Wii U? At the moment it's pretty cheap in the UK.
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Bovineicide posted:Because it's not a new Mario game. We already played it on the 3DS. This is what I'm talking about when I say that Nintendo's been focusing on the quick, easy to poo poo out games as opposed to something genuinely new. Yes, games like that have high attach rates, but they don't move consoles. On the contrary, they do move consoles so you're flat wrong there, regardless of how unintuitive or genre breaking the game may be. I'm with you 100% on it being more or less a rehashing and melding of past ideas but they absolutely do move consoles.
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Louisgod posted:On the contrary, they do move consoles so you're flat wrong there, regardless of how unintuitive or genre breaking the game may be. I'm with you 100% on it being more or less a rehashing and melding of past ideas but they absolutely do move consoles.
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Bovineicide posted:Because it's not a new Mario game. We already played it on the 3DS. This is what I'm talking about when I say that Nintendo's been focusing on the quick, easy to poo poo out games as opposed to something genuinely new. Yes, games like that have high attach rates, but they don't move consoles. Well, it's not a port of the 3DS game, so I have to ask, which Mario games were new, and which weren't? Was Galaxy 2 not a new Mario game? How about SMB3? I don't think your definition is making much sense beyond being convenient.
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What exactly was so bad about Skyward Sword? I never played it because I thought Twilight Princess was so awful.
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blackguy32 posted:What exactly was so bad about Skyward Sword? I never played it because I thought Twilight Princess was so awful. Never ending tutorials, occassionaly for things you've already done, and sword swinging finesse cuts that never work quite as well as the game seems to think they do.
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blackguy32 posted:What exactly was so bad about Skyward Sword? I never played it because I thought Twilight Princess was so awful.
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blackguy32 posted:What exactly was so bad about Skyward Sword? I never played it because I thought Twilight Princess was so awful. I have it. Seems like a good game, but I hate waggle controls
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Barudak posted:Never ending tutorials, occassionaly for things you've already done, and sword swinging finesse cuts that never work quite as well as the game seems to think they do. Don't forget that new companion that would put Navi to shame that you couldn't skip past or ignore.
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Louisgod posted:On the contrary, they do move consoles so you're flat wrong there, regardless of how unintuitive or genre breaking the game may be. I'm with you 100% on it being more or less a rehashing and melding of past ideas but they absolutely do move consoles. Do you see it moving consoles against the PS4 and XB1 launches, though?
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It seems bizarre for people to be arguing about games having longer development time. Rushed games are generally really bad and I imagine most gamers are aware of that. So why complain when something gets pushed? Let the developers take their time and finish the game they wanted to make rather than putting something out that they know will have issues. And no, I wouldn't want them to just patch it later, I want them to release a full game that delivers what it promises. When somebody says "It'll be out by X date" and adheres to that and the game is obviously rushed, I think that's a bigger problem than them coming out and saying "Just wait a few more months", entitlement issues in gamers cause games to get rushed.
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For the record for every person who says that Skyward Sword is an unplayable disaster, there is another person who says that it's their favorite Zelda game. Arguing the respective merits or deficits of the franchise is a task so futile that it makes Sisyphus stop for a moment and put things in perspective.
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Skyward sword is a good game. The motion controls aren't perfect, but it works pretty well most of the time, and it is integrated with regular gameplay in a way that I found engrossing. Some of the sword fights are really intense and fun. There are some excellent boss fights, and excellent music. It's not perfect though, some times the motion controls get out of alignment and you have to 'center' the wii-mote a few times every play session, but it's no reason to pretend the game is poo poo.
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Bovineicide posted:Because it's not a new Mario game. We already played it on the 3DS. This is what I'm talking about when I say that Nintendo's been focusing on the quick, easy to poo poo out games as opposed to something genuinely new. Yes, games like that have high attach rates, but they don't move consoles. Where were you when the DS was new and all it really had in its first year was a remake of Super Mario 64? Which was literally Mario 64 with extra characters and stars. And even that moved consoles  Bovineicide posted:Do you see it moving consoles against the PS4 and XB1 launches, though? The DS sure seemed to survive the year of the 360 and PSP's launches  I'm pretty sure 3D World alone's going to sell enough to buy Miyamoto a yacht made out of diamondized printer ink and cocaine.
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ohnoitschris posted:The DS sure seemed to survive the year of the 360 and PSP's launches The 360 isn't a competitor to the DS in a direct sense and the PSP launched at around 100 dollars more than the DS with an even weaker library and a battery life so pathetic the Sega Nomad looked spry.
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ohnoitschris posted:The DS sure seemed to survive the year of the 360 and PSP's launches
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ohnoitschris posted:Where were you when the DS was new and all it really had in its first year was a remake of Super Mario 64? Which was literally Mario 64 with extra characters and stars. Nintendo had no one to compete with but themselves as far as handhelds go until the PSP was released  edit: even then, I don't think the PSP really gave it a run for its money outside of Japan, did it? Supercar Gautier posted:Well, it's not a port of the 3DS game, so I have to ask, which Mario games were new, and which weren't? Was Galaxy 2 not a new Mario game? How about SMB3? I don't think your definition is making much sense beyond being convenient. If you can't tell the difference between games with new mechanics and art assets vs. games that are pretty much recycled, you're being willfully dense at this point. Bovineicide fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jul 30, 2013 |
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