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Automatic Jill posted:This thread has inspired me to restart a project I thought I had abandoned almost three years ago! Holy poo poo, even what's already there is amazing. It's awesome to see super creative people do their thing, and if you end up working more on it, definitely keep us updated, I say. 
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Automatic Jill posted:This thread has inspired me to restart a project I thought I had abandoned almost three years ago! The vocals on that Pollyanna cover bring on mad nausea though.  A great (well-chosen) song deserves better.
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TheRationalRedditor posted:That's some really ballin' solo animation, impressive! It's not a cover of the song.
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Automatic Jill posted:This thread has inspired me to restart a project I thought I had abandoned almost three years ago! My only complaint is that Paula should be PSI Freezing everything. 
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Glad you guys like it! I'll definitely post updates when I can- I'm animating a ton of bad guy walk cycles now and it's pretty fun. One guy one Youtube likened the Retro New Age Hippy's walk to R. Crumb and that made me happy.TheRationalRedditor posted:The vocals on that Pollyanna cover bring on mad nausea though. ETB posted:My only complaint is that Paula should be PSI Freezing everything.  HOWEVER! I fully intend to remedy this, some way or another. She was supposed to freeze a bunch of those little UFO guys and then melt them in her frying pan.
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quote:I actually messed this up because the battle scene with Jeff tripping and dropping bottle rockets everywhere was supposed to have Paula and Poo in it too, but I didn't stick to the roughs and now the timing is too short to fit them in I love everything about this video. My favorite part is the kraken wipe into the summers scene. I didn't realize at first in the baddie lineup that I had crossed into the unfinished part and really love the sketch style on the enemies. Please tell me you're planning on having the flashing background and SMAAAASH when Starman Deluxe gets it. 
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Aug 6, 2013 04:50
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year199X posted:I must have played through EB at least 20 times and never found any of the 1/256 drops. Heran Bago posted:Ever wanted to buy a copy of Mother 3 in English? For a limited time you can do just that! :retrogaming: Also the Mother 3 guide is amazing. I got it when it first came out and it came with a drawing of Mighty Bitey Snake and my name written on it. I don't think they still do that, but it's a great guide regardless.
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TheRationalRedditor posted:That's some really ballin' solo animation, impressive! You are terrible. The vocalized Pollyanna song is great.
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thuly posted:Please tell me you're planning on having the flashing background and SMAAAASH when Starman Deluxe gets it. I went to go look up a Youtube video to refresh my memory and uh, this came up instead. EDIT: Why is he not using the baseball bat
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Aug 6, 2013 05:27
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Automatic Jill posted:Glad you guys like it! I'll definitely post updates when I can- I'm animating a ton of bad guy walk cycles now and it's pretty fun. One guy one Youtube likened the Retro New Age Hippy's walk to R. Crumb and that made me happy.  Conversely, have you ever seen the transcribed/translated lyrics for "Smiles and Tears"? Good god, that mess is like 5 simultaneous trainwrecks piling atop each other. A true disgrace to one of the most touching melodies in all of games!!
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Man, what were they thinking when they let you buy Multi Bottle Rockets? That decision must have been made by the exact opposite person of the one who gave Ness all the stat boosts in Magicant, right when his lack of offensive PSI started to make him the worst in boss fights.
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Yeah you definitely shouldn't be able to buy any type of bottle rocket, they are just too good. I'm playing through for the first time in years, and the difficulty level is surprisingly good if you don't grind and don't buy bottle rockets. I'm about to go to Summers and so far I've been often coming close to dying but barely pulling through. And carefully budgeting your PSI points to make it through places like the desert cave in one pass can be somewhat challenging. Although I do remember the game getting easier as you progress because PSI becomes so strong
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Magnitogorsk. posted:I'm playing through for the first time in years, and the difficulty level is surprisingly good if you don't grind and don't buy bottle rockets. PSI Freeze also quickly dispatches anyone for near-free, so there's that too. One thing I really liked about Mother 3 is how they rebalanced the PSI so that your offensive caster isn't completely broken anymore, but also isn't useless either. Turns out they just had to reduce the damage on Freeze and boost the hitrate of Thunder and it's good to go. edit: and scrap bottle rockets of course. Bombs yes, multi-bottle rockets no. Spiffo fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Aug 6, 2013 |
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Finally beat the game for a second time (first time was in 97 I think). Now I remember why after the last battle, that I didn't go past Fourside/Moonside in subsequent playthroughs. Hell this time, if I didn't have the save state feature, I likely would have just stopped playing. I still hope the new official Earthbound Community that randomly showed means we might get something else aside from the VC release. EDIT: Also forgot that when you call your dad one last time, he says it's your birthday next week. Which made me :3 since it really is my birthday next week. Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Aug 6, 2013 |
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Aug 6, 2013 18:06
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Spiffo posted:PSI Freeze also quickly dispatches anyone for near-free, so there's that too.
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Y-Hat posted:I'd say that there are no 1/256 items... You're right, I meant to say 1/128. It's been a while since I actually last played. I remember in the strategy guide it said the trick was to just use Jeff's Spy ability to see if the enemy had a present, but  .Automatic Jill posted:This thread has inspired me to restart a project I thought I had abandoned almost three years ago! Fantastic job on this! I really hope you finish it.
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Spiffo posted:One thing I really liked about Mother 3 is how they rebalanced the PSI so that your offensive caster isn't completely broken anymore, but also isn't useless either. Turns out they just had to reduce the damage on Freeze and boost the hitrate of Thunder and it's good to go. Until you get Psi Earth. Then any sort of difficulty is completely gone.
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Aug 6, 2013 19:41
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Genocyber posted:Until you get Psi Earth. Then any sort of difficulty is completely gone. I never got this on my first playthrough. If you're a high enough level for Earth then you never needed it anyway and the fight itself is just a formality.
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Yeah, PK Ground is just the game throwing up its hands and saying "Ok alright I get it you're high level just finish the game already, Christ". If I ever make a JRPG I'm going to actually put in an ability with that name.
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Spiffo posted:One thing I really liked about Mother 3 is how they rebalanced the PSI so that your offensive caster isn't completely broken anymore, but also isn't useless either. Turns out they just had to reduce the damage on Freeze and boost the hitrate of Thunder and it's good to go. Until you get PK Ground. edit: haha wow beaten
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Fedule posted:Yeah, PK Ground is just the game throwing up its hands and saying "Ok alright I get it you're high level just finish the game already, Christ". <HERO> is Level 999! <HERO> gains 5 Skill Points! <HERO> Learns the Skill, GRAND SPERGLORD! Congratulations, <HERO>!
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I remember getting Pk ground from normal leveling. I didn't do much grinding of any sort, iirc.
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deadly_pudding posted:<HERO> is Level 999! <HERO> gains 5 Skill Points! <HERO> Learns the Skill, GRAND SPERGLORD! Congratulations, <HERO>! If the game notices you resetting to min-max your stats when levelling up, the characters mention getting déjà vu.
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That loving Sned posted:If the game notices you resetting to min-max your stats when levelling up, the characters mention getting déjà vu. Mr. Resetti comes up from the ground and casts PK WATCHITPUNK which corrupts your save file to limit your character to Level 1 with all stats at 1. If you try resetting during Mr. Resetti's spell casting, the next time you try to play the game Mr. Resetti will just pop up and rant at you for an hour before you can even get to the start screen. Reset again? Your game is now bricked.
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I never got Psi_earth on my play through of Mother3. I didn't even know it was a thing. Maybe I'll try it sometime.
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Genocyber posted:I remember getting Pk ground from normal leveling. I didn't do much grinding of any sort, iirc. It seems pretty even whether or not you'll get it without grinding, depending on whether you get lost at all or fight slightly more or less enemies than usual because of spawns and stuff. It's not like you learn it at some absurd level, you learn it right around the level you'll probably be at when you reach the end of the game, give or take. On my first playthrough, I learned it immediately after defeating Porky. Didn't get to use it even once.
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Heran Bago posted:Ever wanted to buy a copy of Mother 3 in English? For a limited time you can do just that! :retrogaming: gently caress. Bought.
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I dunno, it seems pretty lovely to be selling a fan translation for profit, even if it's under the guise of ~reproductions.~ Hell, that whole outfit seems pretty shady. Basically the guy is dumping ROMs to carts and charging for them?
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I didn't get PK Ground in my first Mother 3 playthrough. As broken as it is, it's a really fun ability to use because of that fact. I think that the only time you really need to grind in Mother 3 is at the end of Chapter 7- level 50 is when Lucas learns Lifeup Omega and that's pretty much a necessity for the chapter boss. At least there's a perfect place to grind near the end because of the free healing spot and the enemy that drops Lucas's best weapon.
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I'm finally committing myself to beating this game. Picked it up a few years ago as a timewaster in class, then the computer with my save file on it crashed. Finally got it again and have been playing. Holy poo poo, this game is great. Whoever mentioned it being nostalgic even if you've never played it before was spot on. It's just a goddamn thrill. I had all but given up at Fourside on my old copy, so glad I toughed it out this time, and glad to see that it's considered the hard part. I just beat Electro Specter and Diamond Dog and realized that...wait a minute...I never did a drat thing in Dalaam. Wasn't there supposed to be something there...? I go back and of course I never even went to Magnet Hill or the Sewer dungeon in Fourside. Whoops. And now I'm retarded overleveled so everything just runs scared or dies in one turn in these two dungeons. I also spent the entire time so far not noticing that Poo had Teleport B, which was a nightmare whenever I ended up in the Underworld or near Tenda Village. In spite of my stupidity, I'm having way too much fun, though  The one complaint I do have is that it's difficult to tell/remember what all the status effects do and what specific enemies are weak to. At this point in the game, stuff can still deal out heavy damage so it makes Spying or just hoping the status effect won't do anything this turn that much more of a waste of a move when it inevitably fails. Needs a guidebook to take up another space in Ness's inventory. 
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If you're playing the game for the first time, there's something you really should know: After you defeat the last sanctuary boss which is usually carbon/diamond dog don't go into the cave to record the last melody straight away. Give all your best equipment to Ness first along with some PP recovery items. Do not forget the Franklin badge.
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robodex posted:I dunno, it seems pretty lovely to be selling a fan translation for profit, even if it's under the guise of ~reproductions.~ The cost of printing it in such high quality has to amount for most of the cost. What profit they do get I doubt is much, and when you consider how much labor went into making this, seems entirely fair to me. They didn't just translate it and photoshop it, they did dozens of custom high quality artworks and clay models, and the entire layout is custom work. That work deserves to get a return. Now the problem is while they deserve to be paid for those images and clay models, they're characters Nintendo owns/created. Fair enough. But we really do need to loosen up on fair use in this country a bit. Its technically illegal to draw mickey mouse for your child's birthday. Its technically illegal to wear stormtrooper armor to comicon. But is it really immoral? Now, you could say, "okay, as long as you don't profit any, then its fair" and that's a good general rule of thumb (although not what the law says) and that feels pretty moral. But now you're saying I'm allowed to build my own stormtrooper armor in my basement, so long as I don't get paid anything for wearing it or signing autographs or something. But what if I don't have the time? Shouldn't I be able to pay somebody who is better at making armor to make me some stormtrooper armor? I'm allowed to make it myself, for personal use, but I can't have somebody make it for me for personal use? Now if I made a movie wearing that armor that competed with Star Wars, that'd be another thing. But paying some guy to make me a cool helmet to complete my comiccon outfit, that doesn't seem so immoral. Since there is no English guide, and its just a labor of love being sold by nerds to nerds to help them enjoy the Nintendo product, it can't compete with any Nintendo product, so I see it as being fair use. Definitely not legal though. Charging for repros is nothing new. Charging money to make repros of games that are available in English, like Earthbound on SNES, is loving awful and people who do that are scum and most retrogamers hate them. But for games that were never, ever released in the SNES? Nobody's going to mistake that for anything other than what it is, a repro. So you're not making a knockoff, you're just providing a service, translating it since it never was. I'm sure we'd all rather just buy it from Nintendo, but they don't sell it. Now again, profiting off it seems much shadier than just making your own rom dump translation for personal use. But not everbody has the tools/skills to do so. He could just offer his services for free, but it takes a lot of time. You have to charge at least a little bit for the parts if nothing else, you need a donor cart. There are some people who will do it for free or cheap if you send them the donor cart, so most of the cost is just materials. They charge a couple bucks on top so they aren't just wasting all their hours making carts for the internet. Again, its not ideal, but I don't think its really immoral. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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AFAIK, the person selling the reproduction carts is not affiliated in any way with the people selling the fan made guide.
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Yeah, exactly. The fan made guide is being sold by the people who actually made it, while the cart is being sold by a guy who is profiting off of selling fan translations. Sure, there's an argument that you're paying for his services but he's still selling other people's work.
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Actually, the Mickey Mouse and Storm Trooper ones can be justified under part 4 of the Fair Use doctrine. I.e you are not altering the market value or potential earnings of the copyright holder. Just because I cosplay as the Doctor does not mean Doctor Who is now less profitable. They can take you to court and likely money you out of the case, but if it went through to any sort of legal preceding you'd likely be ruled as allowed to do so under that point. [I am not a lawyer, this is just my understanding of the law]
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Classtoise posted:Actually, the Mickey Mouse and Storm Trooper ones can be justified under part 4 of the Fair Use doctrine. I.e you are not altering the market value or potential earnings of the copyright holder. Fair use gets really questionable. My point was, yeah, it should be, and fair use law does seem to imply that we can. However, as you said, you're not a lawyer. Time and again in court we've seen fair use completely eroded (I'm not a lawyer either) and the only part of fair use that stands is the parody section. That's why so many things that aren't really a "parody" in the traditional sense, lots of fan works and fanfiction will call themselves "parody" because that's the only fair use we really get. Its our only protection. Remember that Harry Potter encyclopedia that Rowling was originally okay with, but then they sued it to oblivion? That IS a book, but its not a narrative story that could compete with or replace HP in any way, it exists only for people who've already bought HP. And yet it was struck down. By the same token as making stormtrooper armor that doesn't compete with the movies, making a guide to a game that has none shouldn't compete with the game or guides to other games. Reproduction carts are games and so compete more with games, but again, if the game is out of print or was never even translated in the first place, then you're not competing with anything. Or in other words just re-read what I already said.  I feel these things are not immoral, but by the current fair use law in the US which is pathetically weak, they are illegal.robodex posted:Yeah, exactly. The fan made guide is being sold by the people who actually made it, while the cart is being sold by a guy who is profiting off of selling fan translations. Sure, there's an argument that you're paying for his services but he's still selling other people's work. Oh, so the issue here was somebody profiting off another persons' translation efforts, not somebody profiting off a game that isn't their IP? I'm sorry to have misunderstood the situation exactly. I thought you guys were saying just making the translation or the guide was illegal (it technically is  )Yeah, that one's even more shady. But again, somebody has to buy a donor cart, and somebody has to go through the efforts of flashing the chips. As long as the buyer is aware that the fan translation is available for free, and knows he's just paying for the service of somebody flashing it, is that so wrong? What if the flasher (hehe) required you to send him the donor cart and the translation ROM, and he only charged you $5 for the service of flashing the ROM? Its pretty grey territory.
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Zaphod42 posted:Remember that Harry Potter encyclopedia that Rowling was originally okay with, but then they sued it to oblivion? That IS a book, but its not a narrative story that could compete with or replace HP in any way, it exists only for people who've already bought HP. And yet it was struck down. I could totally see this happening and it's completely within their rights because the people in question were profiting off of someone else's IP. Pretty clear cut case, especially since I believe they eventually released their own HP encyclopedia-type thing. Allowing someone to profit off of an IP you're actively promoting is basically telling people they can do whatever they want with it.
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Speaking of legal questions, would it be possible for Nintendo to actually publish the fan translated Mother 3 on virtual console or something? I've got no idea who owes whom what in that scenario, but there's clearly some sort of market for an English Mother3 and without manufacturing or localization costs it's hard to see how they could lose money on it.
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swamp waste posted:Speaking of legal questions, would it be possible for Nintendo to actually publish the fan translated Mother 3 on virtual console or something? I've got no idea who owes whom what in that scenario, but there's clearly some sort of market for an English Mother3 and without manufacturing or localization costs it's hard to see how they could lose money on it. The guy who translated Mother 3 said Nintendo can have it, 100% free with no strings attached. Nintendo would never take him up on this offer, though. I'm sure he knows this too, he probably just offered it as a show of good will.
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