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gradenko_2000 posted:Is there a single source I can refer to to debunk all of the Fake Moon Landing bullshit? My dad has been forwarding me these youtube videos and I'd really want to lay down something solid. Things like "there were multiple angles of shadows" and "there were 2 pictures of the exact same scene except one has the lunar lander and the other doesn't" and "why is there no blast radius from the thrusters" and "why are there only 20 or so moon landing pictures" http://www.clavius.org/ is your go-to source for anything moon-hoax.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Is there a single source I can refer to to debunk all of the Fake Moon Landing bullshit?  Buzz Aldrin vs moon conspiracy theorist
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gradenko_2000 posted:I felt really sad when he approached my brother and I to pitch it over lunch. He used to be a hardcore left activist back in his college days and was a huge influence in introducing me to Marx and Socialism, but he's also a 9/11 truther and now I'm afraid he might buy into this moon landing stuff if I don't try to debunk it hard. Same with my father (minus the back in the day activism) but I don't even try anymore. He's not interested in being correct, he's interested in being right - if that makes any sense. I just write it off as early onset dementia and shut him down whenever he tries to steer the conversation that way.
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Aug 12, 2013 15:51
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My father worked on the shuttle and Apollo missions, working with launch pads and the rocket systems. He also wants to act like Buzz Aldrin whenever some chucklefuck tells him we faked the moon landing.
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ratbert90 posted:My father worked on the shuttle and Apollo missions, working with launch pads and the rocket systems. He also wants to act like Buzz Aldrin whenever some chucklefuck tells him we faked the moon landing. He should. No jury in America would convict.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Is there a single source I can refer to to debunk all of the Fake Moon Landing bullshit? My dad has been forwarding me these youtube videos and I'd really want to lay down something solid. Things like "there were multiple angles of shadows" and "there were 2 pictures of the exact same scene except one has the lunar lander and the other doesn't" and "why is there no blast radius from the thrusters" and "why are there only 20 or so moon landing pictures" Once you have sent the Clavius and Bad Astronomy sites, include this different take - a cameraman who's been working since 1978, and the other was a video engineer who worked in Television in the 1960's and 1970's. They put forward the counterargument that it was not possible to fake the Apollo 11 143 minute single-stream from the surface of the moon using technology that existed at that time, and the later video footage was even more impossible. Not the best video to open the argument with, as it's a bit unfocused, but still a nice finishing move.
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Just point out that the Russians and Chinese have sent up lunar orbiters that photographed Apollo landing sites http://www.space.com/12796-photos-apollo-moon-landing-sites-lro.html http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings If they think the Chinese and Russians are helping to fake the US moon landings, then they're a level of stupid that just isn't worth arguing against. zeroprime fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Aug 12, 2013 |
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Aug 12, 2013 17:21
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You can bounce lasers off the reflector that Apollo 11 installed. Also, the Soviets never even tried to disprove the moon landings. This too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw
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zeroprime posted:Just point out that the Russians and Chinese have sent up lunar orbiters that photographed Apollo landing sites http://www.space.com/12796-photos-apollo-moon-landing-sites-lro.html Oh god the comments on that space.com article 
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Defenestration posted:
My favourite thing about that story is the guy that got punched went to the police and they basically just said 'haha, we're not arresting Buzz Aldrin, you clearly provoked him dumbass'
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Cruel and Unusual posted:Also, the Soviets never even tried to disprove the moon landings. Why would the Russian lizard people work against their American counterparts.
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Dusseldorf posted:Why would the Russian lizard people work against their American counterparts. And if the Russiand spilled the beans on the Americans, the Americans could spill about the joint 1972 US/USSR manned mission to Mars. I knew a guy years ago who believed in both of these conspiracy theories.
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 I missed the part where the IRS is in charge of rationing healthcare I guess.
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Dirt posted:
Also, apparently Reince Priebus bought back the "death panels" bullshit, so we can probably expect to see plenty more of that in the near future.
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What's funny about that image is it's such a clear case of projection. I've met very few people who hate republican voters. Republican politicians, sure. But the people who vote for them are mostly perceived as ignorant, short-sighted dupes. Right wingers seem much quicker to want to blame the other sides base for things.
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Soviet Commubot posted:And if the Russiand spilled the beans on the Americans, the Americans could spill about the joint 1972 US/USSR manned mission to Mars. I knew a guy years ago who believed in both of these conspiracy theories. Please explain this. I just need to know how we went from too incapable to travel to the moon to preforming a joint manned mission with our mortal enemies to a planet that's at least 150 times farther away in less than five years.
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Soviet Commubot posted:And if the Russiand spilled the beans on the Americans, the Americans could spill about the joint 1972 US/USSR manned mission to Mars. I knew a guy years ago who believed in both of these conspiracy theories. Is it weird my mind immediately went to Dale Gribble as someone who would say exactly that?
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Dirt posted:
I dunno, sounds about right for the Republican line of thinking.  I didn't vote for this poo poo, I don't want it, why should it apply to me? Okay, sure, it won't apply to you. I guess you won't be needing that procedure after all, unless you've got 5 figures stashed away somewhere.
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totalnewbie posted:I dunno, sounds about right for the Republican line of thinking. I give up trying to talk about this with these people. I calmly tried to explain how and why this won't happen, instead I get an op-ed by Howard Dean about death panels(lol), and more fear mongering. I quit. I literally copy/pasted the actual wording in the bill, and still, not good enough. Nope. Death panels.  It's not worth trying to engage in an honest argument. I am just going to troll them.
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Isn't there somebody on here who's friend lost their job at the insurance company because they were the "death panel?" The ppaca has actually eliminated that job.
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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I just recently taught a day on health care systems in my medical ethics class, and because PPACA is such a mess to find information on, I spent over an hour explaining what it was and how it worked, after reading up extensively (good god, finding reliable information is really brutal, but the Obamacare thread really helped me tract it, and it turns out it's pretty accurate!). At the end, a student asked "where'd Sarah Palin get death panels?" I explained and she had this justifiably dumbfounded expression on her face. Because it's so dumb that it's clearly thought up by a moron or someone who is actively malicious.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:At the end, a student asked "where'd Sarah Palin get death panels?" Where did she get that nonsense?
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Isn't there somebody on here who's friend lost their job at the insurance company because they were the "death panel?" The ppaca has actually eliminated that job. I remember hearing about that. It was probably some actuary who's entire job was finding ways to provide less care for more money. Obamacare made many of those tactics illegal and therefore her job illegal.
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Mitchicon posted:Where did she get that nonsense? She looked at the insurance problems we have now, saw that we'd have similar problems under government supervision, and since private = good and government = bad the change counters at insurance companies because death panels.
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Dirt posted:It's not worth trying to engage in an honest argument. I am just going to troll them. It's always fun when they try to go off on these "intelligent" tangents and you can just shut them down with "Nope, straw men, red herrings, and slippery slopes, try again." And they can't come up with anything good to say without making their previous long-winded posts seem like middle school crap. If they would actually listen then it's kind of a dick move just to dismiss everything they say with the above but, man, when they froth at the mouth about statists, they're just a lost cause.
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Mitchicon posted:Where did she get that nonsense? She looked at section on providing end of life care and decided it meant something bad. Instead of, you know, helping terminal patients get their will in order and making their last days as comfortable as possible.
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Mitchicon posted:Where did she get that nonsense? Naturally this is condemning seniors to death via panels.
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Death Panels pretty much consist of Obama appointing these guys: and letting them just go nuts on people with cancer, your grandmother, things like that. We're also going to have to spend $50 000 000 per Sharkticon given the amount of lives we'll be terminating.
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Sir Rolo posted:Death Panels pretty much consist of Obama appointing these guys: Spare me this MOCKERY of justice!
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:There was a portion of the law that expanded Medicare to provide end-of-life counseling. This included making plans for nursing homes, hospice, palliative care, discussing advance directives, living wills, medical proxies, and in some cases durable powers of attorney. Since no state authorizes assisted suicide for non-terminal patients, who in any event already have to deal with these issues, I don't believe it would include assisted suicide counseling in Washington, Oregon, Montana, and Vermont (just passed in May). My mom was angried up a few weeks ago because my aunt (the wife of my father's brother) had told the news that her 93 year old dementia addled mother who could no longer walk, feed herself, or even sit up was in the hospital and the doctor had the gall to suggest she be taken off her feeding tube and enter hospice care (she "recovered" and is back to sitting in a wheelchair in a senior's home unresponsive to the world). They were specifically accusing Obamacare of doing this, which lead to a short argument over Death Panels because my mom immediately changes the subject anytime I actually point out stupid poo poo she or the rest of my family says. fake edit: Shortest argument I've had with her; "Did you hear about the protests over that Trayvon Martin in Florida that was kill--" "Murdered." "--ed. I saw the cutest poodle puppy the other day..."
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LtStorm posted:My mom was angried up a few weeks ago because my aunt (the wife of my father's brother) had told the news that her 93 year old dementia addled mother who could no longer walk, feed herself, or even sit up was in the hospital and the doctor had the gall to suggest she be taken off her feeding tube and enter hospice care (she "recovered" and is back to sitting in a wheelchair in a senior's home unresponsive to the world). They were specifically accusing Obamacare of doing this, which lead to a short argument over Death Panels because my mom immediately changes the subject anytime I actually point out stupid poo poo she or the rest of my family says. You're lucky, when my relative started telling me about tribalism and how certain people shouldn't be living together I had to respect that opinion and I nearly broke a laptop because I had to hold back calling her a racist piece of poo poo.
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Sir Rolo posted:Death Panels pretty much consist of Obama appointing these guys: I am perfectly ok with this in each and every way.
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LtStorm posted:My mom was angried up a few weeks ago because my aunt (the wife of my father's brother) had told the news that her 93 year old dementia addled mother who could no longer walk, feed herself, or even sit up was in the hospital and the doctor had the gall to suggest she be taken off her feeding tube and enter hospice care (she "recovered" and is back to sitting in a wheelchair in a senior's home unresponsive to the world). They were specifically accusing Obamacare of doing this, which lead to a short argument over Death Panels because my mom immediately changes the subject anytime I actually point out stupid poo poo she or the rest of my family says. Nothing sucks more than having to make life and death decisions for someone else. I've been trying to convince my father for a while, because while I'd probably make the same decisions, I'd rather not rip the family apart doing it, since I'm pretty sure he and I are the only ones who would make those decisions! Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Aug 13, 2013 |
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I was deleted from the group so I can't post, but there was a page in support of a fish website being sued by a large company for use of the word Monster. Finding the fact that a company can hold power over a word alone (that isn't theirs, like, say, Pixar or Disney), I figured a fish support group would be safe. Nope! Some happy person posted a receipt of energy drinks being paid for by food stamps. Cue comment after comment about how 'those people make a living off the sweat of my back!' and other veiled racist poo poo. When I tried explaining that living on food stamps isn't loving luxury, I was sadly informed that yes, people DO live high and afford a ton of things working people just can't! Obamaphones! I wish my pet store took food stamps! After trying to defend myself again, I finally said this kind of discussion really isn't appropriate for a loving fish site, and then more people popped out to call be me obtuse for trying to defend the point that poor people should be able to have food, and even comfort food! gently caress that, you get sawdust bread and if you don't like it, get a job, you loving welfare queen!
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Cowslips Warren posted:I was deleted from the group so I can't post, but there was a page in support of a fish website being sued by a large company for use of the word Monster. Finding the fact that a company can hold power over a word alone (that isn't theirs, like, say, Pixar or Disney), I figured a fish support group would be safe. I'm guessing it was the Monster Cable people suing because they do that all the time. Even though they've repeatedly been told by the courts that no, they don't own the word "Monster."
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Sir Rolo posted:Saturday, a good day for LL101: Literally did this once. An old high school friend that converted to Catholicism for a girl went off on a friend and former coworker that claimed to be a supporter of gay marriage and a Christian, called them stupid and duped, a hater of God, etc. I unfriended him and even told him that, while I don't care if he doesn't believe in it (my cousin is a pastor in a conservative Presbyterian church that refuses to marry gays and we still go camping together), you don't get away with personally insulting the intelligence of my friends the way he did. However, I have noticed that old friends from the church I grew up in stopped showing up in my newsfeed after the referendum on a same sex marriage ban in my state... As for SSDI...it comes up in my feed from time to time and there's nothing worse than the "teacher" (usually a teaching aid or daycare worker) who insists that kids getting SSID for their parents get it because of fraud, not because a doctor says so. They know this because I SEEN THEM KIDS. NO ONE CAN TELL ME IM WRONG. AUTISM IS A FAKE WAY TO GET WELFARE. De Nomolos fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Aug 13, 2013 |
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Not a forward, but my father in law posted a link to some anti-vax poo poo last night. Really not looking forward to that series of arguments, especially since my in laws apparently have a close friend that blames vaccinations for their autistic child.
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Just reply that even if in some sort of crazyland where 1% of vaccinations caused autism that's still a far better deal than polio. Simple and succinct.
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DarkHorse posted:Be sure to post pictures of people suffering from polio, smallpox, measles/mumps/rubella, tetanus, etc. etc. Or preindustrial infant morality rates.
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