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FISHMANPET posted:So Japan kind of sucks now since their UU requires Iron and Iron is much harder to find, right? It actually takes a super rare world wonder to make now: Grorious Mountain of Hanzo Steel. On the bright side, they gained a point of strength. Check city states or trade for it. I like doing that with uranium and then dropping nukes on the seller.
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I'm playing through and want to beat the game with every civ for the achievements. I am Sweden this go around...what redeeming quality does this Civ have AT ALL?
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FISHMANPET posted:So Japan kind of sucks now since their UU requires Iron and Iron is much harder to find, right? Samurai are already kinda iffy given that they're a Longsword replacement, though they aren't terrible. The UA is really where Japan's strength is, because being able to win fights even while wounded pays off in the long-term. Jastiger posted:I'm playing through and want to beat the game with every civ for the achievements. I am Sweden this go around...what redeeming quality does this Civ have AT ALL? On bigger maps with more civs, you can really stack those DoF bonuses for massive Great Person growth. Given that Tourism is mostly tied to how many writers/artists/musicians you can pump out, this is good for a cultural victory. The Carolean is awesome because it has free March (you can skip Drill/Shock 2/3 and go straight into Cover promotions), but the Hakkapellita is mostly useless.
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I, like others, have posted in the past about losing interest in a game after around 100 turns. Well, I just finished a game for the first game after 200 hours of playing Civ V. The game itself took 24 hours and was won by building a space rocket although I was very close to diplomatic and cultural victories. The ability to build nukes does terrible things to whatever peaceful intentions you set off with.
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Beige posted:I, like others, have posted in the past about losing interest in a game after around 100 turns. Well, I just finished a game for the first game after 200 hours of playing Civ V. The game itself took 24 hours and was won by building a space rocket although I was very close to diplomatic and cultural victories. Nukes are just fireworks to celebrate Man's ascendency to the stars.
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Aug 16, 2013 01:07
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Any word on when the Japan and America updates are due?
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Oh geez this start: I'm thinking straight to God of the Sea then Petra and try to stack as many trade routes as possible into here.
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Aug 16, 2013 01:39
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Brannock posted:Oh geez this start: I don't think I've ever seen a better start.
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Brannock posted:Oh geez this start: That city is going to grow like a weed.
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That start is merely good. It doesn’t have a river, and it only has one luxury besides whales. Whales make good tiles, but I’d rate them as the worst luxury because of how common they are. Sea resources are great and all, but I’d prefer to have good land tiles so that I can put off that part of the tech tree for a while. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Aug 16, 2013 |
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Aug 16, 2013 02:58
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What are rivers for in BNW anyway? Irrigation plus some bonus gold from trade routes (and hydroplants in the late game?).
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There's so much stuff I'm learning in this game that really should have been common sense in hindsight. Building a city in between Catherine The Great and Attila The Hun's lands is a very bad idea when you have a crappy military. It wasn't that much of a surprise when they instantly declared war on me. Also, Askia and Montezuma aren't very subtle, they might as well have huge signs above their heads that say "I am going to attack you." The references in the game are great, I love how the achievement for getting all the tradition policies is called Master Of The House, which is a insanely catchy song from Les Miserables and a line from Fiddler On The Roof's opening song. There's another good one for being the first to research horse riding as Catherine, though she didn't actually die while having sex with a horse, she died from a stroke while straining to take a dump. Helsinki's also has the best city state theme, it's the levan polkka. Celery Face fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Aug 16, 2013 |
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Aug 16, 2013 03:03
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Phobophilia posted:What are rivers for in BNW anyway? Irrigation plus some bonus gold from trade routes (and hydroplants in the late game?). They also allow you to build water mills and gardens. In Brave New World I consider a garden to be a very important for my guild city, usually my capital. Depending on the difficulty, it may be possible to get the Hanging Gardens and build a garden without fresh water. That reminds me of another thing that start could use more of: forests for chopping. It’s nice to have a few for early‐game wonders.
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Phobophilia posted:What are rivers for in BNW anyway? Irrigation plus some bonus gold from trade routes (and hydroplants in the late game?). Water mills are ok for an early industry and food boost. Rivers can be handy in a defense situation too. Stops movement, 20% attack penalty, etc. E: Oh yeah, the garden too. Beat anyway.
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Rivers give +25% to trade route gold, so that Addis Ababa could have used one.
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Platystemon posted:That start is merely good. It doesn’t have a river, and it only has one luxury besides whales. Whales make good tiles, but I’d rate them as the worst luxury because of how common they are. You're overestimating luxury resources or underestimating fish (which got a nice boost in BNW). An extra 4 happiness doesn't make a big difference in the long run. At least 6 sea resources means incredible growth and production. The mountains make it easier to defend and let you build an observatory, which combined with the insane population this city's bound to get will make for an amazing science city. The desert hills for Petra is just the cherry on top. You should plan to put some points in the Patronage tree along the way to get some city-state happiness in order to support this. e: What's the final yield of a fish tile, with God of the Sea? Something like 6 food, 3 hammers, 1 gold? JayMax fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Aug 16, 2013 |
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I like most of the scenarios but GOOD GRAVY the viking invasion one is so boring. No frills, no science, no strategy, no culture, no happiness.
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How broken would a civ be if its special power was being able to work 4 tiles out?
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Pvt.Scott posted:How broken would a civ be if its special power was being able to work 4 tiles out? It would be a terrible UA unless it also came with the ability to buy tiles that far out, and even then, I think it would be one of the weaker abilities. There are plenty of tiles to work in the first three rings, cities often overlap, and if you need a tile in the fourth ring for its resource, you can always place a citadel to get it.
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Aug 16, 2013 03:22
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Any word on when the Japan and America updates are due? Nothing concrete but from the polycast episode firaxis devs were on, it sounded like they expect the update to be finished sometime this fall. So... a while still.
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I ... Think I've lost this game. Standard speed, pangea, huge, Poland, trying the liberty + tradition opener. My timings were a bit off, but whatever, I have the tech lead. Teched all the way up to internet, +328 tourism. I check the tourism countdown thing until they are influential; 33, 32 a few 200s, nothing a few great musicians won't fix. Then there's Greece. 3,999 turns. I check his culture: 46,975. I have most of the culture wonders, it's turn 360. Including ideologies he has 23 policies. I have 29, including aesthetics. He also owns every city state and will win but diplomacy if I don't take some of them. gently caress Greece. He won. In a huge pangea map I was somehow geographically isolated, and most of my trade routes went to city states. He voted to embargo them. And all of his city states had 200-300 influence each for him, I had no where near the gold to buy out the three it would have taken. I actually did manage to buy one, on the turn before the world leader vote. I press next turn, it rolls to Greece's turn, he succeeded in couping the CS I took, taking it right back. Not fun playing on harder difficulties when the ai cheats. How to win every game: diplomacy! Get all the city states, you win. Deep Winter fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Aug 16, 2013 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:How broken would a civ be if its special power was being able to work 4 tiles out? At the point where you would want to work the 4th ring, you probably have enough citizens that you'd be better off placing them as specialists.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Nothing concrete but from the polycast episode firaxis devs were on, it sounded like they expect the update to be finished sometime this fall. So... a while still. Oh, they were on an episode? I don't usually listen, but do you happen to know off hand which episode it was?
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Deep Winter posted:I ... Think I've lost this game. Standard speed, pangea, huge, Poland, trying the liberty + tradition opener. My timings were a bit off, but whatever, I have the tech lead. Teched all the way up to internet, +328 tourism. I check the tourism countdown thing until they are influential; 33, 32 a few 200s, nothing a few great musicians won't fix. Target the cultural city-states, they're probably giving Greece an insane advantage.
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AriadneThread posted:Oh, they were on an episode? I don't usually listen, but do you happen to know off hand which episode it was? Episode 178.
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What is this talk about updates? Have there been any updates? Is there a repository for all the updates that exist or are coming down the pipe?
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PostNouveau posted:Early culture wonders are pretty tough. I think the AIs will ALWAYS begin the game going for a certain victory: I have found that you can gently caress their AI by trying to "give" them faith. If you spread a religion to them that will give them faith generation they will eventually found a religion. Once they found a religion the AI will completely switch gears and focus on that instead.
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Jastiger posted:What is this talk about updates? Have there been any updates? Is there a repository for all the updates that exist or are coming down the pipe? Just stuff through the grapevine about a patch to change Japan and Americas UA (among other things I'm sure).
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Episode 178. Thanks!
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I just hope if they're changing the American UA, it'll still be called "Manifest Destiny" and be designed around that. It just seems so right to have the U.S. in the game defined entirely by expanding like dicks and pushing everyone out of its way.
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Echo Chamber posted:I just hope if they're changing the American UA, it'll still be called "Manifest Destiny" and be designed around that. It just seems so right to have the U.S. in the game defined entirely by expanding like dicks and pushing everyone out of its way. New American UA: May settle cities closer to other cities than usually allowed. Any tiles that would be in the new city's intial ring that are of a different nation are flipped to America's control. May buy enemy-owned tiles within 3 tiles of one of your cities for double usual price of a tile purchase.
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Aug 16, 2013 05:35
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I'd actually like the ability to GG bomb city states without it declaring war.
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Aug 16, 2013 06:47
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Gah, domination victory is for masochists. I take one too many undefended cities, and suddenly barbarians are popping up all over my empire and they're way more irritating to kill off than the three other civilizations I was battling before on Emperor. Simultaneously, my cities stop producing so my entire economy stalls out. The other victory types are so much easier - and diplomatic victory is completely brainless in comparison. Firaxis: If you didn't want me to use combat units why did you put them in the gameeeeeee
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Kaal posted:Gah, domination victory is for masochists. I take one too many undefended cities, and suddenly barbarians are popping up all over my empire and they're way more irritating to kill off than the three other civilizations I was battling before on Emperor. Simultaneously, my cities stop producing so my entire economy stalls out.
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Because I Are Dumb: Forests. Chop or not, and when?
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Bloodly posted:Because I Are Dumb: Forests. Chop or not, and when? Chop when you are rushing critical units/wonders out, like that turn 30 GL. Ideally chop forests on tiles that you plan planting farms/mines on anyway and thus gonna need to chop regardless. Particularly those with rivers.
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Lumbermill forests are terrible tiles that become okay tiles on Sci Method, which is far too late for my tastes. Otherwise they are useful only when there are absolutely no hills whatsoever in sight or the tile is tundra. Unless you're The Iroquois I say chop, chop, and then chop some more.
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I rarely chop unless I'm racing for a wonder or the forest is on a hill. Lumber mills aren't that great, but I tend to value production over pretty much anything else.
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Echo Chamber posted:I just hope if they're changing the American UA, it'll still be called "Manifest Destiny" and be designed around that. It just seems so right to have the U.S. in the game defined entirely by expanding like dicks and pushing everyone out of its way. New American UA: When playing as America, all other leaders denounce you every turn. Denouncements have no diplomatic effect and no negative modifiers. It will be known as "Internet Forums."
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JayMax posted:I don't think I've ever seen a better start. That city has 9 spices, a gems, a wine and some bananas AND I got a pop from a camp. Anybody trying to get to me over land has to go through at least one city state and a narrow mountain pass.
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