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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

I can't explain the maven hate. I use maven with scala because it is the best

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double sulk: Jul 2, 2010

on a side note, docker seems really cool and useful and should be a good representative thing for golang

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:19

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

C++ code:

    rules.append({QRegExp{R"(\b[A-Za-z0-9_]+(?=\=))"}, attr});

with the power of c++11 my code is now more incomprehensible than perl :unsmigghh:

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:25

spongeh: Mar 22, 2009; BREADAGRAM OF PROTECTION

Posting Principle posted:

C++ code:
    rules.append({QRegExp{R"(\b[A-Za-z0-9_]+(?=\=))"}, attr});
with the power of c++11 my code is now more incomprehensible than perl

you already crossed that line a long time ago with QT

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:26

double sulk: Jul 2, 2010

Posting Principle posted:

C++ code:

    rules.append({QRegExp{R"(\b[A-Za-z0-9_]+(?=\=))"}, attr});

nice javascript

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:26

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

more curly braces, curly braces in every line

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:26

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

goodbye type names, good bye most vexing parses

submit to the curly braces :q:

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:27

suffix: Jul 27, 2013; Wheeee!

i read some scala code today that was pretty much java with type inference and automatic constructors.

pretty nice that we have the technology now to not have to type
SomeLongAssClassName<OhWowItsAGenericToo<FuckYouJava>>> g = new NowIHaveToTypeItAgain<ThankGodForAutoComplete<IWantToDie>>>(24, true, null, 213,);
all the time.

stay DRY, bicth.

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:30

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

if you get mad about verbosity you're the biggest whiney babby idiot.

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:41

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

The fact that the language convention tends towards readability is one of its strengths. also the auto complete literally makes it faster than an untyped shortcut that the autocomplete cant figure out for you.

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:42

unixbeard: Dec 29, 2004

c++ is ugly as hell

code:

inline void copy4(void *dest, const void *src)
{
    *static_cast<int*>(dest) = *static_cast<const int *>(src);
}

like who created the ability to do that, took a look at it and thought 'hmm seems reasonable'

c++ seems to keep layering poo poo on poo poo to make up for all its shortcomings

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:52

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

thats just c but with typecasts you can grep for though

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:54

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

Posting Principle posted:

C++ code:
    rules.append({QRegExp{R"(\b[A-Za-z0-9_]+(?=\=))"}, attr});
with the power of c++11 my code is now more incomprehensible than perl

Shoulda used emplace_back. In fact, why does that collection have a member called append? :colbert:

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Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

Probably doesn't even have a move constructor.

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:55

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

Zombywuf posted:

Shoulda used emplace_back. In fact, why does that collection have a member called append?

Qt legacy containers :negative:

# ? Aug 20, 2013 00:57

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

If only concept maps, or whatever they were called, had made it in.

# ? Aug 20, 2013 01:04

Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

suffix posted:

i read some scala code today that was pretty much java with type inference and automatic constructors.

pretty nice that we have the technology now to not have to type
SomeLongAssClassName<OhWowItsAGenericToo<FuckYouJava>>> g = new NowIHaveToTypeItAgain<ThankGodForAutoComplete<IWantToDie>>>(24, true, null, 213,);
all the time.

stay DRY, bicth.

doesn't java 7 let you go

SomeLongAssClassName<OhWowItsAGenericToo<FuckYouJava>>> g = new SomeLongAssClassName<>(24, true, null, 213);

# ? Aug 20, 2013 01:46

FamDav: Mar 29, 2008

Zombywuf posted:

If only concepts had made it in.

considering it took until the yool 2012 for lambdas to make it into these languages, i await 2030 when we finally get typeclasses.

# ? Aug 20, 2013 01:50

Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

java doesn't have lambdas

:negative:

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Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

more sluggish than the c++ standard committee, gently caress you oracle

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Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

worse than the people who delivered c++0x in 2011

# ? Aug 20, 2013 02:03

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Brain Candy posted:

java doesn't have lambdas

any day now.....

until then use scala

(keep using scala after jdk 8 too)

# ? Aug 20, 2013 02:48

suffix: Jul 27, 2013; Wheeee!

yaoi prophet posted:

doesn't java 7 let you go

SomeLongAssClassName<OhWowItsAGenericToo<FuckYouJava>>> g = new SomeLongAssClassName<>(24, true, null, 213);

oh, yeah, you can do that now.

thanks, java!

# ? Aug 20, 2013 02:53

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

if lambdas ever become useful im sure they'll be added to java

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double sulk: Jul 2, 2010

weve hit peak shaggar

# ? Aug 20, 2013 02:56

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Shaggar posted:

if lambdas ever become useful im sure they'll be added to java

lambdas are in jdk8, mostly useful with collections

Scala does a way better job, but jdk8 makes things suck less

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unixbeard: Dec 29, 2004

Posting Principle posted:

thats just c but with typecasts you can grep for though

its ugly as h*ck thats what it is

# ? Aug 20, 2013 03:26

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

gucci void main posted:

as far as I've ever understood, the problem with scala is that it tries to jam every paradigm and feature into one language which subsequently leads to no real identity or niche and massive bloat, granted some people might like that though

unixbeard posted:

c++ is ugly as hell
code:
inline void copy4(void *dest, const void *src)
{
    *static_cast<int*>(dest) = *static_cast<const int *>(src);
}
like who created the ability to do that, took a look at it and thought 'hmm seems reasonable'

c++ seems to keep layering poo poo on poo poo to make up for all its shortcomings

the best is that java looked at the c++ example and said "we should do that but without all the powerful parts because java programmers cannot be trusted"

# ? Aug 20, 2013 03:28

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

Zombywuf posted:

Shoulda used emplace_back.

msvc only allows one argument to emplace_back

# ? Aug 20, 2013 03:29

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

php:

<?
"it's george costanza" ?>

i bought a SensorTag im going to build an app that tells me how far away i am from my coffee and also how hot it is

# ? Aug 20, 2013 03:32

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

php:

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"it's george costanza" ?>

Cocoa Crispies posted:

the best is that java looked at the c++ example and said "we should do that but without all the powerful parts because java programmers cannot be trusted"

not sure what's wrong about realizing how terrible developers are at using programming languages

# ? Aug 20, 2013 03:33

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Cocoa Crispies posted:

the best is that java looked at the c++ example and said "we should do that but without all the powerful parts because java programmers cannot be trusted"

what are all the mythological "powerful" parts?

# ? Aug 20, 2013 03:33

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

php:

<?
"it's george costanza" ?>

Shaggar posted:

what are all the mythological "powerful" parts?

being able to add more levels of indirection

# ? Aug 20, 2013 03:34

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

php:

<?
"it's george costanza" ?>

or having generics without type-erasure maybe

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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

vapid cutlery posted:

or having generics without type-erasure maybe

wait what

how are cpp generics not type erased, they are literally a source template

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Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

wait what

how are cpp generics not type erased, they are literally a source template

because type erasure doesn't happen, the static type == the runtime type. thats the best answer i can give, but really your question indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of C++ templates, type erasure, Class objects, compilation, and linking

# ? Aug 20, 2013 04:15

suffix: Jul 27, 2013; Wheeee!

Shaggar posted:

what are all the mythological "powerful" parts?

like you don't sit there with your c# and java sometimes and think to yourself "boy, i wish i had a turing complete metaprogramming language based on type parametrization right now."

# ? Aug 20, 2013 04:19

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

i wish c++ had sane and convenient features rather than a horrifyingly complicated and lovely compile-time environmemt for computation of types. it cripples development of things that mortals might use because a sperg in venezuela already bodged it up as a template library. instead of concepts we get template metaprograms that fail in curious ways, and by composing about 5 pounds of < and > worth of template metaprograms you can create a concept

in go its like INTERFACE METHOD METHOD DONE bam you made a concept. thats how it should work in c++ too

# ? Aug 20, 2013 04:25

FamDav: Mar 29, 2008

theres a distinction between what should be language level and what should be library level. c++ makes all the wrong choices.

also generics in java is basically a wrapper around void* containers that does some compile time checking to make sure you really didnt put the wrong kind of thing in there.

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Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

how much confusion do you think would be avoided if c used different words for functions returning void and like void pointers

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