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CobiWann posted:I have a problem - I'm a Wonder-addict. If it's a Wonder, I will try to build it. And trying to make the jump to Emperor, I'm trying to work on my building priorities. In general, there are no 'must have' wonders unless you have an obvious Petra city. Pretty much all the wonders are good, the only question is whether or not you can afford the opportunity cost and risk. If you're hell-bent on having every wonder, aim for building the ones that give a one-time benefit (Great Library's free tech, Oracle's social policy, etc.) and go conquering for the ones that have passive abilities.
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The Great Library is pretty It's still an excellent boost for militaristic civs if you can manage it, since if you research bronze working while it's being built and use the free tech for iron working you'll have access to swordsmen well before anyone else. President Ark fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Aug 21, 2013 |
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isndl posted:In general, there are no 'must have' wonders unless you have an obvious Petra city. Pretty much all the wonders are good, the only question is whether or not you can afford the opportunity cost and risk. Eh, I've had a few starts that have pretty blatantly warranted a Mausoleum of Halicarnassus, usually something that looks like two stones and a marble. The extra gold comes in pretty clutch. For me, the great lighthouse has two "must-build" criteria: I have at least four workable water tile improvements, and I am a naval-focused civ like England, Turkey, Venice, or Carthage. AI also tends to not prioritize Temple of Artemis, so if my capital has both potential for massive growth and my civ has a ranged UU (so Korea or Venice again, for example), that becomes a priority for me.
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Aug 21, 2013 18:46
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What are goody huts? Do you mean ruins? I keep finding maps in the ruins, which are almost worthless compared to gold, science, or upgrades.
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Aug 21, 2013 18:55
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Chamale posted:What are goody huts? Do you mean ruins? I keep finding maps in the ruins, which are almost worthless compared to gold, science, or upgrades. Yeah, in the old civ games they looked like little huts. They served the same purpose.
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Aug 21, 2013 18:55
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A while ago I tried to organise a GMR game (i.e. play-by-email) for G&K but it didn't get enough people (only two, how sad) but since BNW has hit and there are more people watching the thread, I thought I'd try again. So here are some invites for the game which I've set as private: http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/6979?token=f9aca27d-44cd-491a-9a1c-479a744572ab http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/6979?token=5e6da0db-f0cf-4a4d-96bf-68637f27dfc4 http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/6979?token=ad889bf8-56bb-4929-8eb3-ba3fb921353d http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/6979?token=2918e5bc-eaf6-4ef9-b9b8-39f726dd10bc http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/6979?token=58b6df98-5e3f-491b-b80f-9be5cb48f2aa
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Aug 21, 2013 19:17
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Eh, I've had a few starts that have pretty blatantly warranted a Mausoleum of Halicarnassus, usually something that looks like two stones and a marble. The extra gold comes in pretty clutch. Yeah, but Petra is the only wonder that makes or breaks a city. If you miss it, you'll probably end up with a lot of dud or inefficient tiles. Everything else tends to be straight bonuses on top of an already good location. I don't have the Wonders DLC though, so it is possible they're more powerful than I'd expect.
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Aug 21, 2013 19:24
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KKKlean Energy posted:A while ago I tried to organise a GMR game (i.e. play-by-email) for G&K but it didn't get enough people (only two, how sad) but since BNW has hit and there are more people watching the thread, I thought I'd try again. If I'm like super bad at the game, is it still okay if I play? Like I am okay at Normal, or is this only for people who can beat the game at Deity starting on a single tile island space or w/e?
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Aug 21, 2013 19:27
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KKKlean Energy posted:A while ago I tried to organise a GMR game (i.e. play-by-email) for G&K but it didn't get enough people (only two, how sad) but since BNW has hit and there are more people watching the thread, I thought I'd try again. I took the first one and I'm in! This will actually be my first Civ5 multiplayer experience, but I played a couple PBM games with Civ4 when I was in Frankenstein. I've got 1,386 hours logged in Civ5 though, and play Immortal, so I should be able to keep up ok.
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Aug 21, 2013 19:37
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KKKlean Energy posted:A while ago I tried to organise a GMR game (i.e. play-by-email) for G&K but it didn't get enough people (only two, how sad) but since BNW has hit and there are more people watching the thread, I thought I'd try again. How frequently are you expected to log in?
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Aug 21, 2013 19:39
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JayMax posted:How frequently are you expected to log in? What happens is, is that when it's your turn, you're sent an email (if you have that setting enabled, and I highly recommend it) and you then have 24 hours to play your turn. After submitting it, the time it takes for your next turn tends to vary - depending on how many players and how long those players take with their turns. But be prepared for once a day. If you miss your turn, the AI takes it for you (and spends all your money on some city state you don't care about) and play continues as normal from there. If you go on holiday you can set the AI to play for you (but if you're in a war we can arrange to 'pause' the game, so the AI doesn't strike a peace deal and give away all your cities and sell your dog) Oh and Stallion Cabana: everyone is welcome! I'm sure you're better than an AI anyway 
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Aug 21, 2013 19:48
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KKKlean Energy posted:What happens is, is that when it's your turn, you're sent an email (if you have that setting enabled, and I highly recommend it) and you then have 24 hours to play your turn. After submitting it, the time it takes for your next turn tends to vary - depending on how many players and how long those players take with their turns. But be prepared for once a day. E: NM. Gonna join in a moment. E2: I think someone took slot 2, so I took Slot 3. E3: So will I get an email when the game is ready to go? Peas and Rice fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Aug 21, 2013 |
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Aug 21, 2013 20:32
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Eric the Mauve posted:Not even a city your enemy is going to take in the next two turns anyway? Solution: Sell it to a rival civ you aren't at war with. With luck, you might get a good deal on it, your enemy doesn't get it, and you might eventually be able to take it back anyway. Best time I've had that happen: I'd won a city in a peace deal that was hard to defend and not worth much. In the second war they were about to take it back, so I sold it to another civ at war with it's original owner. They paid a crap ton of strategic resources and 120 GPT for it and it suddenly became their biggest security problem. I've found that the enemy only resorts to giving up cities when it finds that it can't offer you enough material wealth to make you stop. Shaka served me up a total of 80% of his land on a silver platter over two wars. Honestly, I think that it's because Civ V removed capitulation as an option. Capitulation is basically the only thing I really miss from Civ IV now, it just makes so much more sense than the way the AI currently behaves. It also ensured that weaker civs survived much longer than they do, even if they were vassals.
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Aug 21, 2013 20:38
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Peas and Rice posted:E3: So will I get an email when the game is ready to go? Not immediately, but you will when it's your turn. Btw, I highly recommend downloading the GMR desktop client - it will download your savegame file, boot up civ, and re-upload your new savegame all for you. Otherwise you have to log into the website and faff around making sure your file's in the right folder and all that poo poo.
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Aug 21, 2013 21:12
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KKKlean Energy posted:A while ago I tried to organise a GMR game (i.e. play-by-email) for G&K but it didn't get enough people (only two, how sad) but since BNW has hit and there are more people watching the thread, I thought I'd try again. I grabbed one of the invites.
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Aug 21, 2013 21:15
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No one mentioned the  new patch? http://support.2k.com/entries/25448148-Civilization-V-hotfix-notes-for-August-21-2013 quote:CRASH
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Aug 21, 2013 21:20
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You didn't bold the part where they nerfed Siam hard as hell. To be fair i didn't even know you COULD pillage citadels.
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Tulip posted:You didn't bold the part where they nerfed Siam hard as hell. It wasn't so much a nerf as "You shouldn't be able to do that, don't do that". On the other notes, VERY nice to see that I will now be able to see how many turns my DoF has before I can murder someone.
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quote:Fix an issue that can occur when you start an MP game with AI players, and that AI meets a City-State, and if a human then joins the game and takes over that AI slot, the game prevents the human from moving into the City-State territory without declaring war. This one was actually super annoying, it just locked you out of moving through the CS.
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Not so much nerf, as fix their crazy rear end double university exploit. Siam is still pretty good overall, I'd say. And yeah, you didn't know you could raze citadels because neither did the AI until now.  You have to be a bit more careful about citadel placement now and actually have to garrison it.
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Aug 21, 2013 21:27
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I only knew about it because I had an option to raze my own Citadel once. I was like 'what in the hell, that must be new'. Glad I wasn't the only one.
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Aug 21, 2013 22:07
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Hooray! The GMR game filled up quick, if anyone missed out and wants to start one but isn't quite sure how it all works, let me know and I can post some help. Re: patch, what the gently caress is a "flibby" antiquity site? Is that some sort of modder-speak?
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KKKlean Energy posted:Hooray! The GMR game filled up quick, if anyone missed out and wants to start one but isn't quite sure how it all works, let me know and I can post some help. I would assume it means a site that says it's a site but isn't actually due to a code error somewhere in the game.
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Aug 21, 2013 22:17
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quote:Correct error in flavor changes for ranged unit construction strategies. So what does this mean?
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KKKlean Energy posted:Btw, I highly recommend downloading the GMR desktop client - it will download your savegame file, boot up civ, and re-upload your new savegame all for you. I'm on a Mac, will my file be compatible with everyone else's? The desktop client is Windows only. If not, I'll drop out. Sorry it didn't even occur to me. Edit: never mind, I remembered I had a Civ 5 install on a Windows machine. Peas and Rice fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Aug 22, 2013 |
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Aug 21, 2013 22:55
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Red Crown posted:The AI just did something absolutely fascinating. So, I've been best buddies with my way-the-hell-too-close neighbor Persia since we were still figuring out farming. On the far side of Persia is Atilla, who we don't get along with. In the modern era, I go Order, Persia goes Freedom, Atilla is behind us. Persia asks to take out Atilla, I agree, we do the war thang. About halfway through the fight Atilla picks up Order, and his neighbor to the south goes Order to. The war is more or less a stalemate, and I have a far larger trans-oceanic liberation fleet thing going on, so I offer peace - he offers me his second largest city. I hadn't even done much damage to him, just some coastal raiding. Then, I realize: defeat at the hands of Persia was slow, but inevitable. By surrendering the city to me he made a huge buffer between his core and Persia and locked me in as an Order ally, as well as joining the massive Socialist Circlejerk that appears to be going on. I'm going for an ultra-wide Domination victory right now and I've taken about 1/3 of Hiawatha's cities, he asks for peace and offers me 4 of his cities to sweeten the deal. Since I need a few turns to re-arm I accept (mostly without thinking) because hey, free cities, and immediately the unhappiness from annexing the good ones and razing the bad ones takes me down to about -15 and keeps me off his back for the next 50 turns while I deal with it. I want to believe it was intentional... Also is there any way to see who's built what wonder without scrolling through hundreds of notifications? Whoever's got the Alhambra is next up on my target list.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:So what does this mean? I read that as the % of the AI's total army it will attempt to maintain as ranged units, with some civs being more ranged-heavy than others. And something wasn't right with it. Who knows what. God bless.
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Derek Agony posted:Also is there any way to see who's built what wonder without scrolling through hundreds of notifications? Whoever's got the Alhambra is next up on my target list. Diplomacy Overview, far right tab (I think it's called Global Politics). Lists which wonders they have but not where they're built, as well as where they've been putting their policies and any active Declarations of Friendship, Denouncements, or wars.
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Aug 21, 2013 23:04
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KKKlean Energy posted:Re: patch, what the gently caress is a "flibby" antiquity site? Is that some sort of modder-speak? It was a weird bug where when you tried to excavate a site, the dialog just said "flibby flibby flibby flibby flibby flibby flibby flibby flibby flibby flibby flibby flibby." Probably a debugging placeholder that never got removed properly.
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Blaaah all those GMR games were full. What a shame, I was hoping to get a try of Civ5 MP. Not that I really know how Civ5 works in this day and age.
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Phobophilia posted:Blaaah all those GMR games were full. What a shame, I was hoping to get a try of Civ5 MP. Not that I really know how Civ5 works in this day and age. We've got a regular group here playing on Thursday and Sunday nights from 7 to 9 Eastern. We're around the Industrial/Modern era in our current game, we should be done within a couple of weeks. There are a few AI spots so if anyone just wants to join for a session, they're welcome. This is the Steam group if anyone wants to set up a new game: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/goonciv
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Phobophilia posted:Blaaah all those GMR games were full. What a shame, I was hoping to get a try of Civ5 MP. Not that I really know how Civ5 works in this day and age. I wouldn't worry too much. GMR games take literally months to complete. Has anyone seriously tried Pitboss? Does it work?
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Is nobody working on substantial mods for Civ V? I thought the real SDK was out now. I went back to Civ 4 for a bit just to play Fall from Heaven, and while it's still a lot of fun, it would be so much better with Civ V's engine, religion and culture system, etc. Plus it would remove some of the ridiculous bloat and feature creep that got into it. Rhye's and Fall for Civ 5 would be great too... if only.
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The Fall From Heaven guy decided to work on a stand alone game rather than more mods, last I heard. But some total conversion mods would be pretty cool.
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Bremen posted:The Fall From Heaven guy decided to work on a stand alone game rather than more mods, last I heard. But some total conversion mods would be pretty cool. Elemental might finally be a good game now after 3 years, but gently caress giving any money to Brad Wardell.
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Gort posted:I wouldn't worry too much. GMR games take literally months to complete. Months are fine, I've played half-year long Civ4 games on Realms Beyond, and kicked plenty of rear end on those. Except I know the mechanics and timings of Civ4 very well, not so for Civ5.
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JayMax posted:We've got a regular group here playing on Thursday and Sunday nights from 7 to 9 Eastern. We're around the Industrial/Modern era in our current game, we should be done within a couple of weeks. There are a few AI spots so if anyone just wants to join for a session, they're welcome. Is it the same game both Sunday and Thursday?
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Grand Fromage posted:Is it the same game both Sunday and Thursday? Yes.
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JayMax posted:Yes. Okay. I thought the time would gently caress me but that's 8 AM Monday and Friday for me so I can probably grab one of those AIs. Little pre-work Civ to start the day off right.
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President Ark posted:The Great Library is pretty On Deity, the Great Library can go as late as turn 60. The problem is it usually goes by turn 20-25 and is impossible, so you never go for it the 10 percent of the time you could get it. It is also one of the least powerful early wonders, right up there with Statue of Zeus (who cares) and Pyramids (Who cares and I could just build two workers). No wonder is required for any victory type, but they are not all made equal. With 3 or more quarries I will usually attempt the Mausoleum, and if I have a ton of hammers and know I will be lacking food resources The Hanging Garden is a very powerful early wonder. Chichen Itza is next to impossible on Deity, but a fantastic early wonder if you are on a difficulty level where you can grab it. Colossus is East India Company and an extra trade route all in one, another fantastic and attainable wonder. The biggest thing with wonders is using them as part of a cohesive plan. Colossus works if I'm coastal and have iron and want to sword rush, for instance, since I'll deplete all my gold upgrading all my warriors to swordsman. The Oracle is great if you are waiting on libraries to be built in your low production early cities. Trying to get every wonder, even if you are successful, will mean you have too few cities, too small an army and a bunch of pissed off AI with wonders they covet. The later wonders are much easier to get by focusing on science, a big enough lead into and past the industrial era and you can have any of the remaining wonders you want.
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