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This is a grief similar to the one someone else mentioned before. I know it kind of pisses me off when people do it, lol. In Counterstrike: Global Offensive (and CS:S) there is the gun game mode. I find the mode that comes with the game sucks, and the old school DM style gun game is more fun. You kill the enemy team with every gun to progress to the knife eventually. Now, in these gun games there is often instant respawning so you're constantly killing and dying and killing and dying. If you get stabbed yourself, you lose a level and the stabber gets the level. You're on teams, but you aren't working together. You yourself want to get the kills so you can win the game, not your team mates. What is frustrating to me is when some jackasses decide to knife only. That is, they become dangerous because they are set on sneaking up on the enemy team and stealing their levels. In Counterstrike if you get shot you slow down. A lot. So generally if you see a guy with a knife coming at you its no problem to shoot him dead. The issue is when you're being shot by the enemy team that is attempting to progress and then you have these guys with knives closing the distance to get their easy kill. This in and of itself is something you can handle, no problem, part of the game. The issue is when it essentially hands those other team mates that are actually shooting the game. Instead of a shootout with the enemy team, you have these lemmings running out front with knives giving you free shots. Obviously the enemy team is going to target the knife guys because they are defenseless, easy kills, and are a threat too since they can steal their level. So you're faced with enemies shooting at you and these guys with knives seeking to steal a level. Obviously they aren't going to win since they die 1 to 5 times, but they are critical to the success of the rest of their team by acting as shock troops. It can be mega greify since they are essentially giving up their shot to win in order to make sure others can't or don't win. They are effectively handing the victory to their team mates for no other reason than to make other players mad and maybe steal a lucky level or two. Its kind of the like the War Thunder crashing the planes into one another except you can do it over and over and over again really fast in order to hand the victory to your team mates.
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That doesn't sund so much like a grief as it does a legit way to play the game.
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Sep 3, 2013 16:34
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I've always wondered if there were teams who took gun game seriously, and played with 4 protecting a 'carry'. It seems like organizing a team would let you guys roll over every other group.
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Sep 3, 2013 16:42
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That seems less like a grief and more like intelligent team-based tactics.
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Sep 3, 2013 16:49
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You'll never believe what just happened in this match of Dota 2. First one guy used his stun, then the next guy used his stun and I died! Truly the most epic of griefs.
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Sep 3, 2013 16:53
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That's the thing, it WOULD be a great team tactic...if it were a team based game. You're competing against your team mates as much as the other team so it is really just a way to screw up the team dynamics.
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Sep 3, 2013 17:04
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Jastiger posted:That's the thing, it WOULD be a great team tactic...if it were a team based game. You're competing against your team mates as much as the other team so it is really just a way to screw up the team dynamics. This is only by convention though, no one says you have to or should be playing this way. It might grief your fellow teammates who want to get all the kills, but I don't think the enemy team would feel any grief from this. It's all in the game for the other team to use what works. It is the equivalent of playing pubs in dota and actually coordinating and using voice chat as opposed to just going for a sweet kdr.
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Sep 3, 2013 17:30
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Jeffrey posted:This is only by convention though, no one says you have to or should be playing this way. It might grief your fellow teammates who want to get all the kills, but I don't think the enemy team would feel any grief from this. It's all in the game for the other team to use what works. It is the equivalent of playing pubs in dota and actually coordinating and using voice chat as opposed to just going for a sweet kdr. Ehhh I don't think that is an apt comparison. Only one person can win, not a team. If you're on the team with the knife-lemming you would be happy. Hey, easier kills for you as you have people on your team soaking up the shots and occasionally stealing levels from the enemy team. If you're on the team fighting the knife-lemmings it becomes a whole lot more difficult for anyone on your team to win. Great teamwork? Yes. How the mode is meant to be played? Nah. A better comparison would be like playing Risk and one player attacks over and over again in order to make the enemy weaker so YOU can win.
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Sep 3, 2013 17:48
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I mean, I hear what you are saying and I know that's how most people treat gun game. However, it is not a deathmatch game, you get a team and nothing in game indicates you should compete with your team. You play a round and one team wins, the game says "this team wins" and you play another. If valve wanted to they could remove the team aspect from gungame and have it just let you kill anyone. The risk analogy would be more apt if it were explicitly team risk, but you still competed with your team to be top dog without killing each other, and given that, it seems pretty legit.
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Sep 3, 2013 18:08
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Jastiger posted:A better comparison would be like playing Risk and one player attacks over and over again in order to make the enemy weaker so YOU can win. I've convinced people to do that.
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Sep 3, 2013 18:09
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That's how any team game with individual points is. You want your team to win, but you also want to be the best on your team.
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Sep 3, 2013 18:09
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Jeffrey posted:I mean, I hear what you are saying and I know that's how most people treat gun game. However, it is not a deathmatch game, you get a team and nothing in game indicates you should compete with your team. You play a round and one team wins, the game says "this team wins" and you play another. If valve wanted to they could remove the team aspect from gungame and have it just let you kill anyone. The risk analogy would be more apt if it were explicitly team risk, but you still competed with your team to be top dog without killing each other, and given that, it seems pretty legit. Except that the mods I specifically mentioned do NOT say team wins. It says <player> wins. Its explicitly an individual victory. The team you are on is merely arbitrary.
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Sep 3, 2013 18:12
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Cojawfee posted:That's how any team game with individual points is. You want your team to win, but you also want to be the best on your team. This is generally true at low levels, but if you have a coordinated team then you need not do this, and can perform better than teams who do. Gun game ends when any one player reaches max points, often both teams have WAY more points in total than one player would need to win. Even purposefully moving like a third of the "wasted" points to a single player can shift the game, it is a pretty big deal. EDIT:^^^Okay, sure, if that's true then whatever. I was referring to gun game as it is shipped by Valve, not whatever random mod. I do wonder why that mod would even keep the vestigial notion of teams though.
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Sep 3, 2013 18:13
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Jeffrey posted:This is generally true at low levels, but if you have a coordinated team then you need not do this, and can perform better than teams who do. Gun game ends when any one player reaches max points, often both teams have WAY more points in total than one player would need to win. Even purposefully moving like a third of the "wasted" points to a single player can shift the game, it is a pretty big deal. Really for spawn purposes.
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Sep 3, 2013 18:17
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Oh my God who gives a poo poo post griefing stories. I played Payday 2 the other day and while the pubs were handing me the bags of cash they failed to notice that I was just hurling them into the ocean.
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Sep 3, 2013 19:22
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So simple, yet so sublime.
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Sep 3, 2013 20:12
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Oppenheimer posted:Oh my God who gives a poo poo post griefing stories. Ok, please tell me you have screenshots (or video!) of them sitting in the water. I have to see this  There was a glitch in Uncharted 2 I used to do where you could throw the Plunder treasure, that both teams try to capture a set amount of times, into the water on a certain map and it was stuck there forever. I was teamkilled several hundred times for doing this. It also worked in co-op and probably still does.
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Sep 3, 2013 20:51
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Lunethex posted:Ok, please tell me you have screenshots (or video!) of them sitting in the water. I have to see this Unfortunately they don't sit in the water, they vanish and respawn where they originally appear in the map, you can go and get them again but it's a fair hassle by that point. Alternatively there's another mission on a bridge where you're supposed to get loot bags and throw them into a waiting helicopter, you can just chuck 'em off the bridge and they'll be gone for good.
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Sep 4, 2013 00:48
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Lunethex posted:There was a glitch in Uncharted 2 I used to do where you could throw the Plunder treasure, that both teams try to capture a set amount of times, into the water on a certain map and it was stuck there forever. In most cases they are ignoring them so thoroughly that they don't even notice the bomb is missing until 2 minutes in, and usually after the enemy has guessed at what has happened and realised they need only run the clock down to win (and vertigo has a lot of places to hide).
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Sep 4, 2013 04:48
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Been trolling the Star Citizen almost all day about Pirates. Yes, pirates. For a couple of hours people have been getting extremely upset that I have been insisting pirates scam, commit fraud and other things pirates would do if they had the chance. The first thread was started by a goon who was curious as what kind of scamming in-game would be acceptable and what would be bannable. https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/49015/devs-what-are-ban-worthy-acts-in-regards-to-piracy/p1 After a couple of pages it turned into me insisting pirates do anything they want because they're pirates and pirates do whatever the gently caress they want. quote:It would be wise on your part to avoid the scam part. Plunder and murder is fine. But scamming has the potential to impact people in a real-life capacity. Do it, and you will be shat on. quote:As if Goonrathi isn't already a big blaring target for counterattacks by the community, you're only making it worse for yourself and your brethren. quote:Holy crap... I give up. I'm going to take a piracy dump. Then pirate myself a beer from the fridge. Then eat some pirate chips. Apparently anything can be an act of piracy if you say it is. Why? 'Cause pirates are cool!!! quote:People keep saying "this isn't going to be like EVE". What they don't realize is this is going to be EXACTLY like EVE. And after a hour or two one of the guys I was majorly trolling actually made a thread about Pirates having a code of conduct. https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/49217/what-should-be-the-professional-standard-for-piracy-discussion/p1 quote:P.S. For those who think this is all a bunch of e-bushido nonsense, take that mentality of yours, shove it up where the sun don't shine, and kindly gently caress off back to EVE - we don't need your kind here. quote:Apparently, this person did not read what I said in prior posts. They're optional standards, but should be viewed as a "waterline mark" for how piracy should be conducted. It's people taking internet piracy way to seriously. If you're really bored and want a good laugh go ahead and read the multiple pages in the first one or probably start on page 10. The second one isn't as good but it's getting there and is probably worth following. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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UoI posted:Been trolling the Star Citizen almost all day about Pirates. Yes, pirates. For a couple of hours people have been getting extremely upset that I have been insisting pirates scam, commit fraud and other things pirates would do if they had the chance. I really enjoyed after all the back and forth with that guy responded to someone else: NKato said: That's fine and dandy, sir. :P Too bad I'm not good with jokes, though I could tell you one: What's black and white and red all over? And you jumped in with: "My pirate ship with the bodies of the people I've scammed with my pirate scams." Awesome.
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Sep 4, 2013 05:19
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UoI posted:Been trolling the Star Citizen almost all day about Pirates. I'm sorry, this is the thread about griefing in games. The "hey guys, check out my lovely repartee on these forums for a game no one can play yet" thread is on reddit.
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Sep 4, 2013 05:48
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UoI posted:It's people taking internet piracy way to seriously. If you're really bored and want a good laugh go ahead and read the multiple pages in the first one or probably start on page 10. The second one isn't as good but it's getting there and is probably worth following. Is it okay with you if, when I play that game and act like an rear end in a top hat pirate who just steals poo poo from pubbies, I say "No it's okay, UoI said I could do it don't worry" as I take off into space with all of their money?
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Sep 4, 2013 06:00
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Slappy Moose posted:Is it okay with you if, when I play that game and act like an rear end in a top hat pirate who just steals poo poo from pubbies, I say "No it's okay, UoI said I could do it don't worry" as I take off into space with all of their money? As the "Pirate King of Goonrathi" I approve.
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Sep 4, 2013 06:17
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But it's not moral  Also interesting to know that most pubs have no idea how the law in anything works.
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Sep 4, 2013 06:30
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I wonder if real pirates ever had to deal with that. They just try to do their piracy in peace but then some guy is complaining that it's immoral to be a pirate. Swayed by his powerful words, all pirates agree that it's a pretty lovely thing to be and they give up forever.
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Sep 4, 2013 06:55
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Cojawfee posted:I wonder if real pirates ever had to deal with that. They just try to do their piracy in peace but then some guy is complaining that it's immoral to be a pirate. Swayed by his powerful words, all pirates agree that it's a pretty lovely thing to be and they give up forever. Someone somewhere had to have more moral outrage than they did sense. He probably ended up dismembered and tossed into the sea as an example.
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Sep 4, 2013 13:34
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Cojawfee posted:I wonder if real pirates ever had to deal with that. They just try to do their piracy in peace but then some guy is complaining that it's immoral to be a pirate. Swayed by his powerful words, all pirates agree that it's a pretty lovely thing to be and they give up forever. Many real-life pirates were incredibly organised, with well written codes of conduct and laws. Which only applied to themselves and were designed around not screwing each other over and having a captain who wasn't a complete wonk. Viz, some Elizabethan era pirates, namely Bartholomew Roberts. AKA Black Bart, who wrote these in 1721: quote:ARTICLE I - Every man shall have an equal vote in affairs of moment. He shall have an equal title to the fresh provisions or strong liquors at any time seized, and shall use them at pleasure unless a scarcity may make it necessary for the common good that a retrenchment may be voted. 
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Sep 4, 2013 15:19
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Pirates were pretty cool, and historically (aside from murdering and pillaging) were a lot nicer than legitimate captains and crews of the time period. Yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me.
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Error 404 posted:Pirates were pretty cool, and historically (aside from murdering and pillaging) were a lot nicer than legitimate captains and crews of the time period. A lot of people became pirates because being a legit sailor was such a raw, lovely deal that got you treated like crap. And really, if you were on a military vessel you'd probably still be murdering and pillaging anyway. You'd just be murdering and pillaging different people.
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Black Bart posted:ARTICLE VI - No boy or woman to be allowed amongst them. If any man shall be found seducing any of the latter sex and carrying her to sea in disguise he shall suffer death. I love the implication that this was a common enough problem that they had to make a rule for it.
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Sep 4, 2013 16:53
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Slime posted:A lot of people became pirates because being a legit sailor was such a raw, lovely deal that got you treated like crap. And really, if you were on a military vessel you'd probably still be murdering and pillaging anyway. You'd just be murdering and pillaging different people. And the bosses took more off the top. Piracy: the ancestor of the modern worker-owned coop model.
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Hello Sailor posted:I'm sorry, this is the thread about griefing in games. The "hey guys, check out my lovely repartee on these forums for a game no one can play yet" thread is on reddit. I seem to have missed your lovely post. Anyway, if you hadn't noticed there are plenty of other forums grief stories in here, see some of STO's stories. If you don't like griefing forum stories feel free to not read them. Also, if you know there's a thread like that on Reddit it implies you go to Reddit. So go back to Reddit and don't come back.  Error 404 posted:Pirates were pretty cool, and historically (aside from murdering and pillaging) were a lot nicer than legitimate captains and crews of the time period. Being a pirate in Star Citizen will be the best thing. If it doesn't turn out to be a lovely game anyway. 
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Black Bart posted:ARTICLE IX - No man shall talk of breaking up their way of living till each has a share of l,000. Every man who shall become a cripple or lose a limb in the service shall have 800 pieces of eight from the common stock and for lesser hurts proportionately.
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I like that they had a curfew, probably because after a long day of piracy you just want some sleep and GODDAMIT BOB WILL YOU PUT THE loving CANDLE OUT GO ON THE DECK. NO, gently caress THIS WE'RE HAVING A VOTE AND PUTTING IT IN THE BYLAWS.
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So some months ago in Planetside 2 we were attacking Crimson Bluff tower, and someone in our outfit yelled something along the lines of "you die, TR," which brought up a conversation about the viet cong, which eventually transitioned into talking about the Vanu Conglomerate in yell chat. For those of you who don't know, there are three factions in Planetside 2, the Vanu Sovereignty, the New Conglomerate, and the Terran Republic. The game is a three way PvP match up with a few thousand players, and since people are dumb and culling exists, players will often assume that the entirety of both of the other factions are attacking them. This led to a lot of whining by the community, and so, with the idea of the Vanu Cong, we decided to make it our new gimmick.   I decided to make a few joke propaganda pictures, which got uploaded to the official forums, and eventually turned into forum signatures. Then, we got together with the NC goons for a one night ATRA operation. We had maybe 40 people online in both outfits head over to a continent that TR was ghost capping with their entire population, and then both went to one base and waited. What followed was us getting annihilated by almost all of the server's TR, and, more importantly, some complete magic on the official forums. A goon posted a thread on the forums suggesting that cross faction alliances should be implemented so ATRA can be made official. Here are some highlights from before the thread was deleted:               This was pretty funny, but we realized we could still probably do more, so we got together with both goon outfits one night and went to the continent where TR had 600~ people on fighting a few dozen NC and VS. We had maybe 40 people on between us, and what followed was us getting pretty much annihilated when all of Mattherson TR showed up. Of course, this was pretty much exactly what we expected, and it also led to all we could have hoped for and more. A thread we didn't even start ourselves.                  The thread was deleted after around 12 pages, but the legend of ATRA lived on. For the next few weeks/months we would see pubbies /yelling about ATRA when fighting TR, and the TR global population's slow, downward spiral actually began to pick up steam. 
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Gorilla Salad posted:Many real-life pirates were incredibly organised, with well written codes of conduct and laws. Which only applied to themselves and were designed around not screwing each other over and having a captain who wasn't a complete wonk. They forgot the best rule for griefing, number XI: quote:The musicians shall have rest on the Sabbath Day only by right. On all other days by favor only. 
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Benagain posted:I like that they had a curfew, probably because after a long day of piracy you just want some sleep and GODDAMIT BOB WILL YOU PUT THE loving CANDLE OUT GO ON THE DECK. NO, gently caress THIS WE'RE HAVING A VOTE AND PUTTING IT IN THE BYLAWS. The curfew was probably so they didn't get spotted at night by people who wanted to kill them or run from them.
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Slime posted:A lot of people became pirates because being a legit sailor was such a raw, lovely deal that got you treated like crap. And really, if you were on a military vessel you'd probably still be murdering and pillaging anyway. You'd just be murdering and pillaging different people. You got recruited by force, too. And if you refused to be recruited you got hanged! It was poo poo pay compared to being a merchant sailor and they withheld pay to prevent desertion. No wonder people chose to do basically the same thing but as pirates, especially when you consider that if you desert the navy but don't become a pirate you'd probably get put in prison or hanged anyway. Red Bones fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Sep 4, 2013 |
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