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frozentreasure posted:Can someone remind me why Aranea's actually doing anything? I genuinely have forgotten already. She's trying to derail the timeline from the path where lord English ever exists (normally making it a beta timeline) then plans to use her healer power to make it the alpha timeline (with no reason but hubris and a desire to be the hero for believing she can actually do that - she's a Serket, after all). And I gotta say, it's maybe not the best thing that seeing Jade bite it actually makes people yawn and roll their eyes since the story is so replete with ways to come back to life that Jade's death feels more like a bothersome diversion instead of, you know, death. I'm more surprised to see that anyone at all's reacting with shock this late in the game. I wonder who she'll chat with during her brief death sojourn? Or whether John will just retcon everything.
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She's making sure this session doesn't bear fruit, because the universe it creates is the one where Caliborn is born. This should just create a doomed timeline, but Aranea is persuaded that her sylph of light powers allow her to heal the doom out of the timeline and make it the alpha. This destroys Lord English as an entity "sanctioned by Paradox Space" since he's not born in an alpha timeline anymore. She's doing it because it allows her to defeat the main antagonist and to become the most important character in Homestuck.
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escape mechanism posted:She's doing it because it allows her to defeat the main antagonist and to become the most important character in Homestuck. Jokes on her. Should have gotten down with the clown 
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Dolash posted:And I gotta say, it's maybe not the best thing that seeing Jade bite it actually makes people yawn and roll their eyes since the story is so replete with ways to come back to life that Jade's death feels more like a bothersome diversion instead of, you know, death. I'm more surprised to see that anyone at all's reacting with shock this late in the game. I believe that having the "killshot" be sbahjified with the Wizord of Oz refrance is pretty good indication that Hussie is banking on this very reaction. Even Karkat's death from a few weeks ago, which was heralded by Jade flat-out stating that Jane would immediately bring him back to life, was met with more gravitas from the fandom than this.
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Sep 14, 2013 13:35
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Well she's still trapped beneath a house. So I guess you could say, she's "homestuck".
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How would this not count as just?quote:Or one may be subject to corruption, and slain by a hero. This would be just. If being mind controlled isn't being subject to corruption, I don't know what is 
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So wait, how did Aranea just bring down the house?
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AriadneThread posted:Will a house land on Jade next? Boneless Jogger posted:A hope player KO'ing someone, huh? I wonder if that means someone else is going to die in a few panels. Oh the times to see it so perfectly called.
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Kazy posted:How would this not count as just? No, being mind controlled isn't the same as corruption. Corruption indicates that you're going into it, at least on some level, eyes open and of your own will. Jade didn't get a choice.
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Dolash posted:She's trying to derail the timeline from the path where lord English ever exists (normally making it a beta timeline) then plans to use her healer power to make it the alpha timeline (with no reason but hubris and a desire to be the hero for believing she can actually do that - she's a Serket, after all). Well, not no reason. She does have a point. She's a God Tier sylph of fate (one thing covered by "Light"), and has demonstrated healing powers that are clearly related to her class. It logically follows that she might be able to heal fate, so to speak, if she's strong enough. Now, whether she actually is strong enough is a different story, and is where the Serket brand of extreme hubris comes in.
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Kazy posted:How would this not count as just? Regardless of whether mind-control is corruption, there's still the "slain by a hero" thing. A hero, Aranea ain't.
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Cat Mattress posted:Regardless of whether mind-control is corruption, there's still the "slain by a hero" thing. A hero, Aranea ain't. All players are heroes by definition.
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Sep 14, 2013 14:09
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Sep 14, 2013 14:13
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I don't like this spider8itch. I miss the old spider8itch. She never killed anyone important 
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Fister Roboto posted:I don't like this spider8itch. I miss the old spider8itch. She never killed anyone important Hey, Tavros would've been pretty drat useful; what with his communing ability being able to work on Bec.
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it's a shame that death has been so thoroughly devalued, to the point that deaths seem to have zero narrative or emotional weight. remember the first time a character died? it was tavros wasn't it? when he got killed, we had no reason to believe he would re-enter the narrative in any form. dream bubbles hadn't been fully fleshed out, and without being god tier he had no way of coming back from the dead that way, so we all thought he had left the story for good. it sucked! a few years later, and now there are so many ways for jade to remain in the story after dying that you'd need both hands and a few toes to count them all.
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Rooreelooo posted:it's a shame that death has been so thoroughly devalued, to the point that deaths seem to have zero narrative or emotional weight. remember the first time a character died? it was tavros wasn't it? On the other hand, it does ensure that Lord English will always feel like an actual threat, because he apparently has the one remaining gently caress YOU, STAY DEAD button left in Homestuck. I hope he swings by soon and cuts this knot in half, there are way too many other villains vying for the spotlight.
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Rooreelooo posted:it's a shame that death has been so thoroughly devalued, to the point that deaths seem to have zero narrative or emotional weight. remember the first time a character died? it was tavros wasn't it? It was actually Jade.
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Oxxidation posted:I hope he swings by soon and cuts this knot in half, there are way too many other villains vying for the spotlight. A Game Of Homes(tuck). Does that make Lord English The Father Of Dragons?
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IUG posted:A Game Of Homes(tuck). Does that make Lord English The Father Of Dragons? Or the (very) Mad Lord. Wasn't John the first, second, and third person to die? 
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Ignoring the felt intermission, I'm pretty sure Dream Jade was the first casualty.
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I'm pretty sure Hussie has us where he wants us: not having any value in Jade's death. He's going to do some bullshit, make it stick, take her out of the story and everyone's going to get punched in the gut. Just saying.
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Well yes, he could say "hey, that gag with Jack breaking the clock? That really was what caused Vriska to stay dead! So now Jade stays dead too!". Then have Jade pop up on a trollboat and immediately get lazered by LE. Also when John tries to fix things Aranea just puts him to sleep while he's hovering over the lava. If it went that route though, I'd get the impression that Hussie had come to despise Homestuck and wants to end it in the most destructive and vindictive way possible.
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Thundarr posted:Well yes, he could say "hey, that gag with Jack breaking the clock? That really was what caused Vriska to stay dead! So now Jade stays dead too!". He couldn't do that because Rose and Dave died like a hundred times in the middle of the Green Sun.
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Who is going to steal Jade's shoes and travel down the yellow brick road?
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AriadneThread posted:Who is going to steal Jade's shoes and travel down the yellow brick road? Semi-serious speculation: Karkat and Kanaya cross the lava pool thanks to the newly created house islands, which'll end up with them in proximity to Jade. To what end I'm not entirely sure, but escaping the rapidly spreading wildfire might be reason enough. That chain of house chunks just seems too conveniently set-up to allow someone to hop across on it, and those two are the only ones around who'd need to bother with footpaths. Then Karkat takes the ruby slippers, clicks his heel together three times and repeats "I loving HATE THIS BULLSHIT".
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AriadneThread posted:Who is going to steal Jade's shoes and travel down the yellow brick road? Serkets have a penchant for wearing red shoes.
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AriadneThread posted:Who is going to steal Jade's shoes and travel down the yellow brick road? John Egbert, of course. She's not Dorthy Gale for nothing. 
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Fister Roboto posted:I don't like this spider8itch. I miss the old spider8itch. She never killed anyone important Oh yeah, and she's a ghost because another important character prevented her from causing the death of all her friends. It's not like anyone provided Aranea with an alternative plan to take Jade off the board.
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There's something about spider8itches and clocks...
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Sep 14, 2013 19:43
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Ahahahahah, loving Hussie. "Lucky 8br8k!!!!!!!!" indeed!
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Light players win again!
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McStephenson posted:I'm pretty sure Hussie has us where he wants us: not having any value in Jade's death. Yep.
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Plom Bar posted:Aranea is the new worst I'm loving it, too. It's like Vriskatime all over again.  That being said, Jane can still revive Jade unless Arenea kills her too.
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Boneless Jogger posted:I'm loving it, too. It's like Vriskatime all over again. Potentially even if Aranea kills her, too. Remember, a dead God Tier Feferi was able to heal the Mayor, and Aranea was able to heal Terezi despite being dead. Seems to imply that Jane could resurrect people even while dead (including herself, I'd bet).
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