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yeah i thought transhumanism was basically "gently caress you got mine in cyberspace"
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 18:06 |
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Cocoa Crispies posted:the culture, duh a decadent, aimless mob of rich elites slowly collapsing under the weight of their collective arrogance and apathy so not quite a dystopia i guess, but it fits
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 18:11 |
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Hashtag Nascar posted:supperman written by kevin smith directed by zack snyder it was god-afwul
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 18:13 |
ol qwerty bastard posted:glad i didn't bother seeing man of steel RIP christopher reeve
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 18:33 |
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supermang is also vulnerable to magic
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 18:35 |
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if you ever meet a feral superman, simply cast a magical spell to ward it off
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 18:35 |
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Heresiarch posted:every transhumanist i've ever met has been some kind of variation on "libertarian shitheel", sometimes overtly, sometimes not then they should get a new name for their philosophy then instead of ruining a perfectly good one by their association with it transhumanism is supposed to be about health and happiness and a good long life for all humans (which is kind of why the word "human" is in it in the first place) so i'm really not sure how a person could miss the point any harder than a "libertarian transhumanist". maybe they should be called, i dunno, a trans-me-ist since it's all about me me me. basically the desired endpoint for a true transhumanist would be something like the culture. i think the desired endpoint for libertarians no matter how else they describe themselves is something like mad max, so it's really not compatible at all. sorry to sperg out but now i'm kind of pissed off that i've been calling myself a transhumanist all these years and apparently people have been making untrue assumptions about me because of idiot selfish fuckheads who are also using the same label for themselves
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 19:42 |
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the thing is most transhumanists are concerned about the endpoint of transhumanism not, y'know, the transitional part of that whole idea everybody in the future will live perfect lives of health and happiness and whatever, but only after the more useless and unproductive elements are quietly disposed of because they either would oppose the transhumanist's utopian ideal or would not reasonably have access to the means to make the transition
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 20:27 |
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ol qwerty bastard posted:i'm kind of pissed off that i've been calling myself a transhumanist all these years
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 20:30 |
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 20:48 |
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lol this owns
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:01 |
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Sham bam bamina! posted:i would be too tbh, taking transhumanism seriously as an ideology is p. lol so you don't support a philosophy that says suffering is bad and happiness is good?
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:31 |
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ol qwerty bastard posted:so you don't support a philosophy that says suffering is bad and happiness is good? not really helping your case for taking transhumanism seriously
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:41 |
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PCjr sidecar posted:not really helping your case for taking transhumanism seriously i'm not the one who needs to defend my beliefs, the people who think that misery and death are supercool need to defend theirs
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:47 |
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ol qwerty bastard posted:i'm not the one who needs to defend my beliefs, the people who think that misery and death are supercool need to defend theirs misery and death builds character
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 21:59 |
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anyway the thing with transhumanism is that anyone who uses or even approves of modern medical technology is already a transhumanist even if they don't know it like imagine going back to 1813 and saying "yeah in 200 years we'll have the ability to take organs out of dead people and sew them into live people so they can live longer, and we'll also have mechanical hearts, and special drugs that you can take before you get sick that prevent you from getting the disease in the first place, and doctors will have machines that can look inside your body without cutting you open so they can see what's wrong and fix it"; you'd be laughed at in the same way as anyone now postulating about future stuff like nanotech or vat-grown organs or whatever so we're already living in a "transhumanist" future in some sense, which is why any decent person who subscribes to transhumanism would have as one of their highest goals to distribute modern medical care and clean water and education etc. to everywhere in the world that needs it. yeah i get that idiot nerds have ruined this by thinking that transhumanism is just about "hahaha i'm totally going to live to be 1000 and my brain will be inside of a computer" and disregarding the changes that could be made right now in the world that would significantly improve the lives of a whole lot of people. but just tossing out the whole philosophy because of some fucktards who misrepresent it is silly too.
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 22:10 |
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qwerty, you're don't sound like a transhumanist, you sound like a classic utopianol qwerty bastard posted:so you don't support a philosophy that says suffering is bad and happiness is good? also don't do this, it's d&d-style argumentative bullshit. any argument that begins with the words "so you" is almost guaranteed to be complete poo poo meant to annoy people instead of making any actual points of course this is yospos but this thread actually has interesting conversation in between giant ropey spurts of trekchat and i'd like to avoid having to look at poo poo that even fishmech would roll his eyes at
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 22:11 |
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yeah sorry that was totally meant as a smugpost but that's why i came back to actually explain my point of view i dunno maybe i am mislabeling myself but i've always thought "transhumanism" just means "applying technology and technological development towards the goal of improving human society". but whatever, you can call me a utopian too, that sounds cool
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 22:14 |
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I always thought transhumanism was the belief that one day people will live in robot bodies and cyberspace and clouds of nanites and other things that aren't fundamentally biological not sure what you'd call the belief that science will continue to find new ways to improve life, common sense I guess
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 22:17 |
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ol qwerty bastard posted:anyway the thing with transhumanism is that anyone who uses or even approves of modern medical technology is already a transhumanist even if they don't know it but you don't have to be a transhumanist to think it's neat to dig wells and educate people, just a decent human being. it's the distinctively transhumanist stuff that's not so good. e, didn't see you'd posted again, ignore this if you like
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 22:18 |
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haveblue posted:I always thought transhumanism was the belief that one day people will live in robot bodies and cyberspace and clouds of nanites and other things that aren't fundamentally biological i just want a robot arm that i can control with my mind. it doesn't have to be a good one. it doesnt need to replace one of my arms. it doesnt need to be attached to me.
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 22:25 |
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i think my vision of transhumanism is exemplified by the gates foundation project to get rid of malaria if it can be done with mosquito nets and antimalarial drugs, awesome. but if you need to also have auto-targeting laser systems that shoot mosquitos out of the sky, then hell why not use that too no matter how silly and sci-fi it sounds (note: this is actually a real thing that's being developed) "transhumanism" kind of needs to be a thing because even though everyone will say they're in favour of a better world, they actually shy away from the idea that new technologies might be needed in order to accomplish this. think of all the well-meaning anti-GMO people who are doing nothing but delaying the widespread adoption of much-needed crops that grow faster or have more nutrients.
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 22:25 |
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Improbable Lobster posted:i just want a robot arm that i can control with my mind. it doesn't have to be a good one. it doesnt need to replace one of my arms. it doesnt need to be attached to me. yeah we can do that too now; it's pretty awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76lIQtE8oDY this is transhumanism
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 22:28 |
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every pfsc comic ever made can be reduced to one or both of the following: everything is pointless, everyone is terrible
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 22:50 |
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angry_keebler posted:life is poo poo but people aren't evil they're just dumb and there's no hope of fixing that problem outside of a eugenic police state which is also unacceptable so we're boned and all scifi should be relentlessy depressing to reflect this if there's no hope of fixing the problem wouldn't that indicate a greater need for positive escapist media
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 22:53 |
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anyway we're all hosed no matter how transhuman we get
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 23:28 |
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oh we're hosed in the short term too http://guymcpherson.com/2013/01/climate-change-summary-and-update/
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 23:34 |
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don't worry, you'll all be dead before it gets really bad
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 23:36 |
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ol qwerty bastard posted:i think my vision of transhumanism is exemplified by the gates foundation project to get rid of malaria your av is fuckin perfect for this lf bullshit rich white man who sells weapons to mercenaries to assure his personal immortality transhumanist.jpg
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 23:53 |
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anyone remember when transhumanism.org was just a series of love letters to hard drugs and how society would be great if we just buried our snouts in coke before we died
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 23:55 |
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Trig Discipline posted:don't worry, you'll all be dead before it gets really bad Counting on it Also im never having kids because why would I willingly subject my progeny or anyone to the death throes of an overburdened and soon-to-be-uninhabitable planet
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# ? Sep 15, 2013 00:34 |
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ol qwerty bastard posted:yeah we can do that too now; it's pretty awesome i dream of a future where humans dont have to move a muscle to stuff their faces with chocolate
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# ? Sep 15, 2013 00:36 |
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Jeff Goldblum posted:i dream of a future where humans dont have to move a muscle to stuff their faces with chocolate think bigger what's stopping us from adapting this to give people 3rd, 4th, nth arms? what about tails? what about prehensile nipples
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# ? Sep 15, 2013 00:43 |
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duTrieux. posted:think bigger prehensile cyber dilz
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# ? Sep 15, 2013 00:46 |
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duTrieux. posted:think bigger lol
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# ? Sep 15, 2013 00:46 |
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with helicopter blades so you can fly
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# ? Sep 15, 2013 00:46 |
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put my branes in an adrienne barbeaubot, with chainsaw arms!
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# ? Sep 15, 2013 00:47 |
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duTrieux. posted:what about prehensile nipples mods pls
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# ? Sep 15, 2013 00:52 |
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laser penis
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Dead Inside Darwin posted:mods change ur av immediately
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