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E-Tank posted:In otherwords: "We're the GOP and we're a bunch of loving dicks! And because of us being loving dicks you'll all totally vote for us and make us be in charge!" Why would you want to vote for the democrats? Don't you remember how ineffectual and partisan the Obama administration was [when our stated goal was to do the opposite of everything he wanted no matter what it was and we shut down the government after trying and failing to repeal one of his laws 42 times in a row]? I hate this phrase, but these people, man
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Ainsley McTree posted:Why would you want to vote for the democrats? Don't you remember how ineffectual and partisan the Obama administration was [when our stated goal was to do the opposite of everything he wanted no matter what it was and we shut down the government after trying and failing to repeal one of his laws 42 times in a row]? The thing that frustrates me the most? When I tell my mother that Obama has tried to work with them and that they literally said during his first term 'Our job is to ensure he is a one term president.', She says that the democrats have done just as much of that.  Seriously, I tell her that no other group has threatened to make the US default on it's debt and gently caress over our economy, and she says that the democrats have done the same as well, and it's just politics and both sides are jerks and loving poo poo like that. I personally believe that every single republican that held the US hostage during the 'debt ceiling' crisis should be charged with terrorism. 
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Ainsley McTree posted:Why would you want to vote for the democrats? Don't you remember how ineffectual and partisan the Obama administration was [when our stated goal was to do the opposite of everything he wanted no matter what it was and we shut down the government after trying and failing to repeal one of his laws 42 times in a row]? The Republicans have consistently been such complete jackasses that they've successfully made me want to vote straight-ticket Democrat in every election that ever happens purely to spite those smug loving shitheads. I can't stand the Democrats, I think they're worthless right-wing capitalist shills who at absolute best pay token lip-service to left wing causes when it is politically advantageous for them to do so. However, at least the Democrats do things. The Republican Party has spent the past five years or so acting like a bunch of petulant children throwing a tantrum because Mommy tried to make them share their ball with some of the other kids at the playground. They don't deserve to be in government. But they sure think they do - them and no one else, and they spend an inordinate amount of time and effort making sure everyone around them knows it.
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E-Tank posted:The thing that frustrates me the most? When I tell my mother that Obama has tried to work with them and that they literally said during his first term 'Our job is to ensure he is a one term president.', She says that the democrats have done just as much of that. You should agree that the truth is in the middle... that your mom is a loving Idiot. False equivalencies are something that gets underneath my skin. 
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Phone posted:You should agree that the truth is in the middle... that your mom is a loving Idiot. That mostly comes from people that are just too tired of politics to pay attention anymore. I understand that sentiment completely, I just wish they didn't make themselves look like an rear end when they basically say "I just don't pay attention to politics." My facebook feed is full of family members calling Obama a socialist terrorist nazi because of the healthcare law. Oh, and my aunt got one of those illegal letters from Humana. That's always fun!
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Propaganda Hour posted:That mostly comes from people that are just too tired of politics to pay attention anymore. I understand that sentiment completely, I just wish they didn't make themselves look like an rear end when they basically say "I just don't pay attention to politics." I just want to say, holy poo poo USA Today's website is awful. Who thought that was ok? I guess it's ok though, the free market will surely shut down such an awful site.
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Ainsley McTree posted:I don't know why I'm still friends with this person on facebook at this point: Does this person use any government program? Need helps getting their funds distributed or administered? Well too loving bad cause they aren't "essential".
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Mooseontheloose posted:Does this person use any government program? Need helps getting their funds distributed or administered? Well too loving bad cause they aren't "essential". Her sister posted a smarmy comment "Non-essential is pretty self explanatory  "I'm tempted to butt in and say "explain to me who all non-essential government employees are please" but it won't help
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Ainsley McTree posted:Her sister posted a smarmy comment "Non-essential is pretty self explanatory Peopl have this idea that "government workers" are like, all congressional staff or something and we're better off without them. The single good outcome of a shutdown is that people will realize that they rely on things like the mail and the TSA (as much as they hate them) and the NWS and food inspectors and all sorts of other things.
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Brennanite posted:This is a doozy of crazy on my Facebook wall. I'm so full of rage, I just don't know how to get through to this people. This is really really unreadable. However, the fact that he thinks herd immunity doesn't apply to people is evidence that he doesn't get how science works at all. Also the idea that parents should draw their own conclusions on complex medical issues. No. No they shouldn't. Because that's how you get people feeding infants honey.
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JoshTheStampede posted:Peopl have this idea that "government workers" are like, all congressional staff or something and we're better off without them. The single good outcome of a shutdown is that people will realize that they rely on things like the mail and the TSA (as much as they hate them) and the NWS and food inspectors and all sorts of other things. Wait a minute. You're telling me that a government shutdown will stop all non-essential domestic and international flights from (and maybe to) the US?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Wait a minute. You're telling me that a government shutdown will stop all non-essential domestic and international flights from (and maybe to) the US? Man I wish this was the case. People would riot. The GOP, seriously, you fuckers. You are sounding more and more like Eric Cartman. "Screw you guys, I'm going home!" You crybabies.
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JoshTheStampede posted:Peopl have this idea that "government workers" are like, all congressional staff or something and we're better off without them. The single good outcome of a shutdown is that people will realize that they rely on things like the mail and the TSA (as much as they hate them) and the NWS and food inspectors and all sorts of other things. I mean here is the other thing. IF the government shuts down and you want to bitch to your congress person, guess what? No one there to answer the phone! Need an issue resolved with Social Security or the VA? Well, too bad you voted for people who wanted to defund the government!
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Ramadu posted:I just want to say, holy poo poo USA Today's website is awful. Who thought that was ok? I guess it's ok though, the free market will surely shut down such an awful site. Yeah. I tried to scroll down on the page and it flung me into another article for some reason. I don't know why I picked that site when there are countless others, but whatever.
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Speaking of TSA, what about outsourced/privatized government services? Do those get shut down? Does a privatized government ensure that there is a powerful lobby on the right for keeping things running? Or are they willing to take one for the team to score points for the side that's more in love with privatization of government services?E-Tank posted:Seriously, I tell her that no other group has threatened to make the US default on it's debt and gently caress over our economy, and she says that the democrats have done the same as well, and it's just politics and both sides are jerks and loving poo poo like that. You can only claim this in instances where the impasse was one between two competing proposals, not between a proposal and "not that ever, because you." VideoTapir fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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Nevvy Z posted:This is really really unreadable. However, the fact that he thinks herd immunity doesn't apply to people is evidence that he doesn't get how science works at all. Brennanite, does that person think remembering something from a book in college makes one immune from critiques? Is it a bash on your education level, or just the writer being weird? I appreciate that they haven't gone straight for the autism conspiracy stuff, but that's their only good aspect. Seriously invoking poo poo like radium water or mercury ingestion or arsenic pills is being disingenuous, because those treatments weren't developed under today's careful and conservative atmosphere toward medicinal approval for human use. It's no more credible than saying, "NASA is full of poo poo because remember how Galileo was bullied?" Why the insistence on keeping things classy? You could definitely quit posting sentences with punctuation like "!??" since that comes off as frantic, but it's not like rhetorical tone matters more than the health of children. You mentioned it in passing, but maybe hammering the plight of immune-compromised kids and the very-young would be more helpful. It'd be gruesome and petty, but many of our "solved" childhood illnesses still occur in Africa and south-Asia, surely there are useful photos with classrooms of polio kids - I'm picturing one with a caption saying MY PARENTS KEPT IT CLASSY WHEN DISCUSSING VACCINES. Seriously, we've had outbreaks of Measles in NY and NC within the last five years, requiring hospitalization and quarantines (luckily no deaths, which may help to undermine your case  ). Those outbreaks were from anti-vaccine people and the fence-sitters who enable them.edit: forgot Texas http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324906304579039330555205364.html or http://www.npr.org/2013/09/01/217746942/texas-megachurch-at-center-of-measles-outbreak depending on which way their preferences lean sweart gliwere fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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Post them this  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oYCkr3YxjIYNo baby or parent should go through this. Babies that young can't be vaccinated so everyone else needs to. http://www.cdc.gov/features/pertussis/
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VideoTapir posted:Speaking of TSA, what about outsourced/privatized government services? Do those get shut down? Civilian defense contractors do get shut down. quote:However, civilian Pentagon employees and hundreds of thousands of other federal workers are not so lucky. According to a memo from the Pentagon, "while military personnel would continue in a normal duty status, a large number of our civilian employees would be temporarily furloughed." So would employees in a range of agencies from the IRS to the National Park Service.
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swarthmeister posted:Agreed, they're polite but not quite coherent. Spacing and numeric renaming really doesn't help though. Sorry for being unreadable. I really need to learn how to do screenshots. The argument only went downhill from there. I really can't argue against a person saying "Yes, but there's a 0.000000001% chance that vaccinations will kill my child. Yes, I know that my child is much more likely to die in a car accident, but I'm just not willing to take that chance. And you shouldn't have the right to tell me what to put in my child's body." because there is literally nothing that will convince them. Edit: And now one is giving me instructions on when and how to wash my hands. Definitely time to walk away and purge the friend list. Brennanite fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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Brennanite posted:Sorry for being unreadable. I really need to learn how to do screenshots. The argument only went downhill from there. I really can't argue against a person saying "Yes, but there's a 0.000000001% chance that vaccinations will kill my child. Yes, I know that my child is much more likely to die in a car accident, but I'm just not willing to take that chance. And you shouldn't have the right to tell me what to put in my child's body." because there is literally nothing that will convince them. This is the norm for almost all anti-vaccers. The only ones that change their mind are those few that have had their child come down with something horrible that could have been prevented with a needle and a bandaid. It's also fascinating to note the kinds of people that are attracted to this movement. It's a strange combination of tea party patriot types, ultra left environmentalists, and rich people.
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You should ask them for a peer-reviewed paper that proves there is a significant risk associated with vaccinations, and tell them to get the hell out with their blatant bullshit conspiracy websites and "well I read this one book one time" anecdotal answers. If they still insist on refusing to provide legitimate rebuttals, then you tell them that they're submitting both their child and many other children to a much higher risk of a serious disease just to prevent something they're not even totally sure is an issue because they read it in a magazine once. If nothing else, it'll sow a seed of doubt in their mind and hopefully make them realize they should put a lot more thought into the well-being of their kids. There's not much more you can do from that point.
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miscellaneous14 posted:You should ask them for a peer-reviewed paper that proves there is a significant risk associated with vaccinations, and tell them to get the hell out with their blatant bullshit conspiracy websites and "well I read this one book one time" anecdotal answers. If they still insist on refusing to provide legitimate rebuttals, then you tell them that they're submitting both their child and many other children to a much higher risk of a serious disease just to prevent something they're not even totally sure is an issue because they read it in a magazine once. That would work but they probably have the mindset that mainstream science is bought out by Big Pharm or whoever they think profit from vaccines. I don't think asking for a valid sources when what you think is valid is completely the opposite for them.
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I don't doubt that, but in that case I don't think there's any merit in arguing with them when they live in topsy-turvy worlds.
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miscellaneous14 posted:"well I read this one book one time" Book > article.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:She believed suffering to be a way to share the pain of christ. It was a bit ago, but I just wanted to chime in that this idea is not evil on face. There's a heartwarming story about a disabled girl who wanted to meet Mr. Rogers, and when she finally did he asked her to pray for him, rather than doing the opposite. A lot of people bullshitted a lot of reasons why he might have done that. Eventually he was asked specifically and said something like, "With all the suffering she's been through, I figure she has a more direct line to God than me." Whether you're a religious adherent or not, you can respect the empathy in that statement. He was recognizing the strength it took for her just to make it through the day, and in line with his religious tendencies, he figures that must be something that's rewarded indirectly through the strengthening of faith/her bond with God. I don't buy it personally, but I can respect it as a way of accepting the suffering of others in good conscience when it's not within your power to magic up a solution. It might be considered a platitude, but it ultimately reflects a kind-hearted philosophy. Teresa was different. She took people's money in the name of helping the poor, then made her own slice of the Church richer while allowing poors to die in easily preventable agony. It's one thing to accept suffering that's inevitable or outside of your means to prevent. It's quite another to turn a blind eye to the suffering that is within your reach in the process of enriching yourself. It's particularly amusing since Jesus had a significant point in this area, what with bathing with the lepers and sick who the upper crust Jewish establishment at the time wouldn't even offer a bit of charity, and surely wouldn't think of ritually cleansing themselves with. Nathilus fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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CarterUSM posted:Literally had someone accuse me of never taking Econ 101 and not knowing how math works. I think my favorite instance of, "it's simple economics" was when a friend of mine commented, "If we produce more oil, then the supply will increase and the price will go down. It's simple supply and demand."
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I just get so goddamned sick of people who have read an article or two on mises.org thinking they know all about Economics, and that they can shout down people who put in years of study.
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Thank you Ronald Reagan! Your legacy is intact!
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miscellaneous14 posted:You should ask them for a peer-reviewed paper that proves there is a significant risk associated with vaccinations, and tell them to get the hell out with their blatant bullshit conspiracy websites and "well I read this one book one time" anecdotal answers. If they still insist on refusing to provide legitimate rebuttals, then you tell them that they're submitting both their child and many other children to a much higher risk of a serious disease just to prevent something they're not even totally sure is an issue because they read it in a magazine once. This is where they insist that both their kids and others will be fine if they just cut gluten or animal products out of their diets and only eat organic.
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V-Men posted:I think my favorite instance of, "it's simple economics" was when a friend of mine commented, "If we produce more oil, then the supply will increase and the price will go down. It's simple supply and demand." Duh, It's called "Supply-Side Economics" 
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Brennanite posted:Sorry for being unreadable. I really need to learn how to do screenshots. The argument only went downhill from there. I really can't argue against a person saying "Yes, but there's a 0.000000001% chance that vaccinations will kill my child. Yes, I know that my child is much more likely to die in a car accident, but I'm just not willing to take that chance. And you shouldn't have the right to tell me what to put in my child's body." because there is literally nothing that will convince them. gently caress anti-vaccers. No other pseudo-political movement makes me quite as angry. Here are some things I've saved over the years:  (Don't like this one because it doesn't cite a source, but it's simple and effective since people only communicate through simple images these days) Look at the fun consequences of non-vaccination! http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/06/06/3776327.htm http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/24/wish-my-daughter-vaccinated And finally, this incredibly blunt but incredibly amazing website: http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html
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Holy poo poo. Look at every sitcom ever. You always have the big fat dude with the super hot wife. There are fat dudes all over TV. Remember back in the late 90's when loving Dennis Franz was a sex symbol for some reason? poo poo like this pisses me off because guys do have body image issues, but we don't have anywhere near the societal pressure to be fit and thin that women do.
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Soonmot posted:Holy poo poo. Look at every sitcom ever. You always have the big fat dude with the super hot wife. There are fat dudes all over TV. Remember back in the late 90's when loving Dennis Franz was a sex symbol for some reason? poo poo like this pisses me off because guys do have body image issues, but we don't have anywhere near the societal pressure to be fit and thin that women do. Star of a well-regarded, popular TV drama would be the reason. Men have other avenues to attractiveness. Fame, power, and money in particular; they don't work as well for women.
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Soonmot posted:Holy poo poo. Look at every sitcom ever. You always have the big fat dude with the super hot wife. There are fat dudes all over TV. Remember back in the late 90's when loving Dennis Franz was a sex symbol for some reason? poo poo like this pisses me off because guys do have body image issues, but we don't have anywhere near the societal pressure to be fit and thin that women do. While true, many of those characters are also portrayed as dumb oafs. I call it the Homer Simpson syndrome. I think the stereotype is portrayed to give some men hope while simultaneously poking fun at them. "You too can have a hot wife, no matter how fat and dumb you are!" That's nothing compared to the ridiculous body image issues society pushes on women, but it's still damaging.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:This is where they insist that both their kids and others will be fine if they just cut gluten or animal products out of their diets and only eat organic. That and proper hand washing! Who needs fancy vaccines?
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FlyingCheese posted:While true, many of those characters are also portrayed as dumb oafs. I call it the Homer Simpson syndrome. I think the stereotype is portrayed to give some men hope while simultaneously poking fun at them. "You too can have a hot wife, no matter how fat and dumb you are!" That's nothing compared to the ridiculous body image issues society pushes on women, but it's still damaging. How is it damaging to male body image for society to say that it doesn't matter what you look like, you're still the star of the show with a hot wife? If anything it reinforces the idea that males are entitled to sex with attractive women.
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