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After knowing what the internet's done to it, is it okay to just wear a fedora? Like, say you need to be somewhere, and you're in a rush, and it's raining out... you just throw on a pair of shoes, a jacket, and the first hat off a rack, and it happens to be a fedora. Can you wear it in a situation like that without immediately being pinned as a troper/neckbeard/'from the internet'? Or should we just burn all the fedoras and save ourselves the trouble?
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# ? Oct 1, 2013 23:56 |
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# ? May 26, 2024 09:36 |
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Maple Leaf posted:After knowing what the internet's done to it, is it okay to just wear a fedora? Like, say you need to be somewhere, and you're in a rush, and it's raining out... you just throw on a pair of shoes, a jacket, and the first hat off a rack, and it happens to be a fedora. Can you wear it in a situation like that without immediately being pinned as a troper/neckbeard/'from the internet'? Or should we just burn all the fedoras and save ourselves the trouble? Don't wear formal hats to anything that isn't incredibly formal.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 00:00 |
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If you don't own any fedoras, the first hat off the rack won't be a fedora. I get it, I get wanting to have something to wear with nicer clothes, something not as casual as a wool beanie. But it doesn't work. Give it up.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 00:00 |
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Eh, it's not really the hat, it's the fact that the people are trying to make themselves more interesting or cool by wearing a hat and it's not working because a hat can't fix your personality. It could be any kind of hat, or it could be a different accessory. My boss (female) wears a fedora from time to time and it's fine, because she is a cool, normal person and not a hopeless goon.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 00:59 |
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Whatever happened to wearing a simple ball cap? Oh right, because only those stupid jocks and sports players wear those, unlike *me*, who is totally classy.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 01:53 |
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So the latest Penny Arcade comic takes a (very mild) jab at fantasy author Brandon Sanderson. Tropers were not amused: Lightflame posted:The latest strip is a childish Take That at my favourite author. Ninety posted:What a childish, unnecessary Take That.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 02:30 |
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DaveWoo posted:So the latest Penny Arcade comic takes a (very mild) jab at fantasy author Brandon Sanderson.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 02:40 |
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Jesus, do they have to use their stupid loving trope name even in this situation?
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 02:53 |
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1984 sucks.Nineteen Eighty-Four film/book review by Belfagor 20th Jul 12 posted:Anti-communism masked as alleged "anti-totalitarianism" Belfagor, in the comments of his review posted:
Belfagor, in the comments of his review posted:^^ & ^ Dear lord, stop reading rubbish written using propaganda from the '30s and try to do an objective research. You could even find Oxford professors praising collectivization. I've had to sit through hours and hours of the exact things you repeat. Then I read another version that was far more supported (ever read Ludo Martens, for example?) and objective. Why don't you do the same? You know, that's what an accurate research is. Take it from a Marxist-Leninist, Orwell's writing was so awful that he deserved to be sent to a gulag. I know this seems like a troll but looking at the author's edit history they were pretty active for a few months and weren't obviously a gimmick account.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 03:00 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Whatever happened to wearing a simple ball cap? Oh right, because only those stupid jocks and sports players wear those, unlike *me*, who is totally classy. A ball cap with a suit isn't much better than a fedora with jeans. It's all about context, which tropers can't understand because they break everything down to its core components. Swords were cool in Braveheart ergo swords will be cool in my WWII alternate history (With aliens who don't go through puberty). That kind of things.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 03:01 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:
Reads like one of those Russian nationalists who went on the rampage against Company of Heroes 2 for misrepresenting the Great Patriotic War.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 04:08 |
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Was it a troper who insisted that swords were far superior to guns in a fight despite all evidence to the contrary? I remember some argument being the guy could run 20 feet and draw his sword and dissect a man before the other guy could aim a gun and fire. e: thanks. It shouldn't come as a surprise. oldpainless fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Oct 2, 2013 |
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That would be Major Tom I believe.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 04:54 |
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oldpainless posted:I remember some argument being the guy could run 20 feet and draw his sword and dissect a man before the other guy could aim a gun and fire. I feel second hand embarrassment for him now.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 04:58 |
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oldpainless posted:Was it a troper who insisted that swords were far superior to guns in a fight despite all evidence to the contrary? I remember some argument being the guy could run 20 feet and draw his sword and dissect a man before the other guy could aim a gun and fire. The best part is that Martello, who now posts on these very forums and was in Iraq at the time (I think) told him he was full of poo poo. iirc, Tom flipped his poo poo and told him that he obviously didn't know anything about war.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 05:01 |
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It all came down to the troper misunderstanding a Mythbusters episode where they showed it was faster to stab a dude with a knife then he could aim and fire at you, so long as you were less than 15 feet away. And how this does not scale up to a sword since the swinging motions and the like take a lot longer then a quick knife jab.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 05:08 |
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Take it from a Marxist-Leninist, Orwell's writing was so awful that he deserved to be sent to a gulag. Install Windows posted:It all came down to the troper misunderstanding a Mythbusters episode where they showed it was faster to stab a dude with a knife then he could aim and fire at you, so long as you were less than 15 feet away.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 05:09 |
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Install Windows posted:It all came down to the troper misunderstanding a Mythbusters episode where they showed it was faster to stab a dude with a knife then he could aim and fire at you, so long as you were less than 15 feet away. Also, the mythbusters episode involved drawing, aiming and firing. In an actual war situation, soldiers would already have their guns drawn, obviously.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 05:22 |
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HEGEL CURES THESES posted:Orwell was a Communist, too, just not the same kind of Communist. As every good communist knows, the worst enemy is not the capitalist, the burguoise or the fascist but the communist who follows a slightly different ideology. They must be erradicated without mercy.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 05:27 |
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DaveWoo posted:So the latest Penny Arcade comic takes a (very mild) jab at fantasy author Brandon Sanderson. The panel making fun of how he really likes magic systems is funny since according to tropers, that's something he's known for. quote:Magic A Is Magic A: Sanderson is fond of inventing new magic systems, and is careful to define them clearly and keep their use consistent. He has formulated what he calls Sanderson's First Law to describe the importance of maintaining this trope, and it is defined as follows: In fact even people that like Sanderson can and do poke fun at his obsession with magic systems. I have a theory that some nerds are unable to get obvious jokes if there are no references in them.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 05:30 |
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Here's the Guns vs Swords thing. It doesn't get good until Martello shows up and starts laying down the law:Martello posted:Exelixi, do you really believe we don't issue swords because of logistics? And not because swords are obsolete? Take it from an Afghanistan veteran - no soldier in his right mind would use a sword instead of a firearm. And forget "no longer widely used." Try "not used at all." With the dubious exception of SOF operators who supposedly use the CRKT Hisshou, any soldier trying to bring a sword to deployment is going to get his rear end kicked and laughed at by the whole battalion. Martello posted:[...] Major Tom posted:Yes. Martello posted:This from the guy who never actually got into the Army, let alone participated in actual combat. I was asking Exelixi, who at least claims to be a trained swordsman. Thanks for the input, though. Major Tom posted:With all due respect sir none, I actually made it into the Army. Not finishing training was not my choice. They ordered me out and like a good soldier I followed orders. Also, there's a trope for it!
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 05:35 |
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ArchangeI posted:As every good communist knows, the worst enemy is not the capitalist, the burguoise or the fascist but the communist who follows a slightly different ideology. They must be erradicated without mercy.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 05:38 |
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I think this thread might need the "If you defend the fedora, you need to post a picture of yourself in a fedora" rule.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 05:46 |
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Asgerd posted:Here's the Guns vs Swords thing. It doesn't get good until Martello shows up and starts laying down the law:
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 05:50 |
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FrozenVent posted:A ball cap with a suit isn't much better than a fedora with jeans. It's all about context, which tropers can't understand because they break everything down to its core components. The context for fedoras was that they kept bird poo poo and rain out of your Brylcreemed hair. You take them the gently caress off if you're indoors and if you're not Mos Def you're probably not pulling it off. If the guy who brought this up wants advice just post a picture of your fedora in YLLS and they'll let you know. And as long as we're posting "best" Troperfics I think we're forgetting Shinji and Warhammer 40,000. When I first heard about this one I thought, "Okay, sounds dumb but Tropers mash poo poo together all the time. Let's see how they creep out on Shinji when he's in Space Marine armor or whatever. But nope, it's not about that. It's about how super cool Shinji would be if he sat around playing the loving tabletop game. That's the entire point of the text. Shinji finds a wargame for neckbeardy weirdos and starts talking to the figures. They teach him life lessons and make him "20 times more badass than his canon counterpart as a result". The Trope page quote:Badass Boast: Clearly our generation's St. Crispin's Day speech. And because it couldn't be Tropefic without plugging a flirty, fucktoy personality into a child character quote:Bi the Way - Rei's actions, thoughts, snarky comments, and preference for yuri over yaoi are consistent with somebody who's bisexual (and may also be another reason why she wants Shinji to have a harem...lucky bastard). The Farseer is also probably bi, but considering the nature of the Eldar is more likely to be a Depraved Bisexual. Then there are the bisexuals from canon Evangelion... I know all the bisexual people I've ever met have been described by their snarky comments. Motherfuckers can't go two minutes without trying to be a Joss Whedon character.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 05:58 |
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Keromaru5 posted:Is there context I'm missing, or is Major Tom bragging about being kicked out of training? Nah, that's pretty much it. I recall some discussion from the last thread that he may have washed out in the "moment of truth" trap that's used early in training to get idiots out of the force, which sounds a hell of a lot like Major Tom to me.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 06:03 |
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Antivehicular posted:Nah, that's pretty much it. I recall some discussion from the last thread that he may have washed out in the "moment of truth" trap that's used early in training to get idiots out of the force, which sounds a hell of a lot like Major Tom to me. Yeah, I think it's somewhere in their military thread but I'm not digging through 1120 pages for it. Basically he fell for the Moment of Truth test in which they say "One of you has lied on your paperwork. If you leave now nothing bad happens." If the previous threads are to be trusted this test is just a bluff to clear liability when your asthmatic rear end dies on a run. Anyway he peaced and tried to say that he "Was just following orders. I QUIT FOR MY COUNTRY LIKE A GOOD SOLDIER " But a random jump around that thread did bring up old favorite, Barkey. quote:I like to think so. I'd quote more but really it just devolves into sexism about women in the military after page 500.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 06:19 |
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Razorwired posted:And as long as we're posting "best" Troperfics I think we're forgetting Shinji and Warhammer 40,000. When I first heard about this one I thought, "Okay, sounds dumb but Tropers mash poo poo together all the time. Let's see how they creep out on Shinji when he's in Space Marine armor or whatever. But nope, it's not about that. It's about how super cool Shinji would be if he sat around playing the loving tabletop game. That's the entire point of the text. Shinji finds a wargame for neckbeardy weirdos and starts talking to the figures. They teach him life lessons and make him "20 times more badass than his canon counterpart as a result". It is pretty much what happens when a fanfic author tries to make something awesome, gets recognition for writing something awesome, and then tries continually to top himself so that the sweet, sweet nectar of nerd recognition continues to flow. See also: Nobody Dies, which is a quality all of its own.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 06:35 |
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Maple Leaf posted:After knowing what the internet's done to it, is it okay to just wear a fedora? Like, say you need to be somewhere, and you're in a rush, and it's raining out... you just throw on a pair of shoes, a jacket, and the first hat off a rack, and it happens to be a fedora. Can you wear it in a situation like that without immediately being pinned as a troper/neckbeard/'from the internet'? Or should we just burn all the fedoras and save ourselves the trouble? As well as what others have said, you wanna tailor your ambition to your skills. The more unusual a garment is, and the more out of mainstream fashion, the more style you'll need in working out an ensemble that makes it work as a whole. It's harder to gently caress up a pair of jeans than it is to gently caress up a pair of Regency trousers. When fedoras were in fashion and part of a normal outfit, the shops sold clothes that fashion designers had already created to go with the fedora look. Now if you wear one, you'll have to do the thinking that in the fedora era a professional would have done for you. It's harder to pull off because your work isn't already done. Plus, you need a realistic assessment of what you have to work with in yourself. Every hat looks better on top of a handsome face. Every outfit looks better on a fine figure. Every fashion choice works better on someone charming. If you're an ugly customer with no suavity, then your face and figure and manner aren't going to do the work for you either. So yeah, there are probably people who can pull off a fedora now. But they need more clothing smarts than they would have done in the thirties, and probably need to be better-looking as well. All of this, of course, takes what TVTropes would call a 'lumper' rather than a 'splitter' to work out, and if you think the word 'lump' is a good one to express context, you probably should be playing it safe with your wardrobe. Apple Tree fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Oct 2, 2013 |
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Apple Tree posted:When fedoras were in fashion and part of a normal outfit, the shops sold clothes that fashion designers had already created to go with the fedora look.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 09:12 |
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WebDog posted:Plus haberdashers existed in order to have your mug measured and create a hat that matched your facial ratios. All of the off the rack hats suck cause they try to do one size fits all and look too big or small on most people's heads. Plus according to wikipedia there are all sorts of different shapes of fedora: quote:The hat is typically creased lengthwise down the crown and "pinched" in the front on both sides. Fedoras can also be creased with teardrop crowns, diamond crowns, center dents, and others, and the positioning of pinches can vary. The typical crown height is 4.5 inches (11.4 centimeters). And different shapes are going to suit different faces and outfits. Wearing a generic 'fedora' is like wearing generic 'glasses': if you put a lot of thought into shape and style it might make you look sophisticated, and there's probably a shape for every face, but if you get it wrong you'll look like a dork. TVTropes, on the other hand, only recognises two kinds: the Fedora of Asskicking and the Fedora of Action. You tell me the difference, because I can't work it out: they have the same Indiana Jones photo for both pages. (And yeah, Harrison Ford looked good in it, but then Harrison Ford looked like Harrison Ford.) If that's your range of options, you're probably not going to look like Harrison Ford. You're going to look like an overgrown kid playing dress-ups. Plus there's the whole attitude thing. Think of Breaking Bad: Walter White has that distinctive and not entirely flattering hat that he wears to feel like a badass. Cranston's performance is an object lesson in why a hat needs the right face. When he first wears it, it looks stupid. It only looks badass when he's acquired that grim, mean expression and implacably confident body language. The same hat on the same head looks completely different depending on the manner of the wearer. So your Joe Average in the thirties probably looked fine in a fedora. It was just what you wore to keep your head warm, not a piece of fancy dress, and that'd show in your behaviour. But if you wear it as a novelty because you want to look interesting ... well, nobody ever looks good in anything they put on to make themselves look interesting, because it screams 'I want to look interesting and I don't know how!' People look good in stuff they choose to look good, not badass or cool. Oddly, TVTropes's giant Breaking Bad page does not list 'Nice Hat' as a trope. Not even as 'deconstructed' or 'subverted'. It does say 'Walter White from Breaking Bad wears one when in his Heisenberg persona' on the 'Nice Hat' page, but nothing on the 'Breaking Bad' page
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 10:11 |
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quote:This troper has a black trenchcoat, and he finds something primally satisfying about walking into the wind, hands in pockets, trenchcoat billowing around him, and his hair blowing back. However, people tend to move slightly away from him when he does it, and his girlfriend keeps telling him that he looks "sketchy."
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 12:33 |
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Apple Tree posted:Oddly, TVTropes's giant Breaking Bad page does not list 'Nice Hat' as a trope. Not even as 'deconstructed' or 'subverted'. It does say 'Walter White from Breaking Bad wears one when in his Heisenberg persona' on the 'Nice Hat' page, but nothing on the 'Breaking Bad' page No, see, Heisenberg's hat is a porkpie. Totally different from a fedora.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 12:39 |
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Razorwired posted:Shinji and Warhammer 40,000 In Chapter 1 a thirteen-year-old girl refuses to date Shinji and is punished for it by attempted rape.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 12:53 |
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It's rare to see someone with so little self-awareness.
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made of bees posted:No, see, Heisenberg's hat is a porkpie. Totally different from a fedora. You underestimate their willingness to turn anything anything anything into a trope. 'Nice Hat' literally means a nice hat, or even a scarf or, I dunno, a yarmulke? A turban? A hairslide? quote:Despite the name, this doesn't just cover hats, but most kinds of headgear, as long as it's cool. If you wear it on your head and a fan likes it, it's a trope. Surprisingly, though, this page links to a trope that actually has some value, the 'Planet of Hats', which is to say, a sci fi scenario where everybody on an alien planet has a monocultural 'single defining characteristic'. You know, you could see that in the Turkey City Lexicon as a shorthand for saying 'Your alien civilisation is gimmicky and simplistic.' Except that the Turkey City Lexicon already has this: quote:Funny-hat characterization ...Yeah. The same basic idea, only this is 22 words long instead of 542. Using hats as examples. What a coincidence. Apple Tree fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Oct 2, 2013 |
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Did anyone go through and mock The Whately Universe? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/WhateleyUniverse?from=Main.WhateleyUniverse I'm pretty sure it's incomprehensible forum roleplaying, and it used to be spammed on every trope page. The worst thing I saw was a Fetish Fuel page for some kid's show called The Backyardigans. I hope it's been deleted.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 15:27 |
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All the Fetish Fuel stuff is gone, or at least shuttled onto another wiki.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 15:58 |
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Count Chocula posted:The worst thing I saw was a Fetish Fuel page for some kid's show called The Backyardigans. I hope it's been deleted. It has, thankfully, but I still was curious to see if there was even an article for that show. Apparently, there is one. With 8557 pages no less. Hm.
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# ? Oct 2, 2013 16:09 |
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# ? May 26, 2024 09:36 |
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Can I still wear a paper summer fedora?
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