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They really need to bring out a supercharged V model this time, since the Chevy and GMC are going to have the exact same drivetrains(available) right out of the gate.
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Those tail lights look great, haters vacate
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 02:27 |
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I think the Escalade looks huge and ugly, but that's just me
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 03:06 |
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Nodoze posted:I think the Escalade looks huge and ugly, but that's just me I think we're all framing it from a "SUV's are inherently huge and ugly" perspective.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 03:16 |
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Nodoze posted:I think the Escalade looks huge and ugly, but that's just me It looks huge because it is huge? You're wrong and you hate America. Oh no, Acura ZDX, Honda Crosstour, BMW X6 and 5 series GT sales have collapsed! http://www.autonews.com/article/20131007/OEM03/310079955/sporty-crossover-coupes-a-niche-going-nowhere#axzz2h5odDIyc quote:
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 03:21 |
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Nodoze posted:I think the Escalade looks huge and ugly, but that's just me Dunno, it's a giant box, and I think it owns that very well. I prefer it to giant SUVs that pretend to not be giant and/or boxes. If you want/need a giant car, I'd say this is on the short list.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 03:28 |
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Do any of the full size 'Murican* SUV's handle, brake, or go 0-60 any better than my old 2002 5.3 Chevy Tahoe did? Obviously the Denali/Escalade will but they are even heavier so whats the point. Also, are they all still 5,500 lbs with no plans to ever cut weight like LR/Porsche/BMW are doing? *Forged in TEXAS with 110% mexican parts!
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 03:41 |
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Keyser S0ze posted:Do any of the full size 'Murican* SUV's handle, brake, or go 0-60 any better than my old 2002 5.3 Chevy Tahoe did? Obviously the Denali/Escalade will but they are even heavier so whats the point. GM is working to drop ~500lbs of weight with the half ton pick-ups in the interest of fuel economy, that will likely carry over to the SUVs. That would still only bring the weight down to 5500lbs for the AWD version. Nobody is buying these for the handling, braking, or 0-60 times, and neither the handling nor braking of any of these would ever be deemed unsafe. You have more to worry about with the mitsubishi mirage than you do an escalade or suburban as far as the vehicles capablities go.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 03:52 |
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They are still 145+ feet to stop from 60 mph. So when some xanax'd out SUV soccer mom driving a Denali full of screaming kids is tailgating me - I always need to know proper escape routes in case someone stacks up ahead of us. I seriously considered adding some bigger brakes to the Tahoe when I had it - and it seems they haven't gotten any better. In comparison, my 4,100 lb BMW 535 stops in under 115 feet from 60 mph, which is drat good considering my other older but much lighter 2002 330 only could do it in 124 feet. Obviously, GM can give a poo poo about brakes because the units they put on the Corvettes are insane.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 04:13 |
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Keyser S0ze posted:Do any of the full size 'Murican* SUV's handle, brake, or go 0-60 any better than my old 2002 5.3 Chevy Tahoe did? Obviously the Denali/Escalade will but they are even heavier so whats the point. The old Grand Cherokee SRT8 was legitimately fast, and I hear the newer one is decent, too. And isn't the Explorer still technically a full-size? I think they got curb weight on those down to 4500 lbs.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 04:28 |
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The old Explorer was never full-size, and the new one is car-based.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 04:37 |
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Keyser S0ze posted:They are still 145+ feet to stop from 60 mph. So when some xanax'd out SUV soccer mom driving a Denali full of screaming kids is tailgating me - I always need to know proper escape routes in case someone stacks up ahead of us. I seriously considered adding some bigger brakes to the Tahoe when I had it - and it seems they haven't gotten any better. The 5,200lb Silverado that Edmunds has in their long term fleet stopped from 60 in 128ft, which is definitely not bad. It also got to 60 in six and a half seconds which would probably embarrass most of the cars I've owned. Also, there's a 2015 Colorado/Canyon coming which should bring hope to those that don't want to settle for a full size pickup. I'd imagine it will probably come with the newer Gen3 ecotec 2.5 4 cylinder as well as the 3.6V6.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 05:34 |
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All I'm seeing in that new Escalade is a truck with a box cover. I think it looks terrible personally.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 05:36 |
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SouthLAnd posted:The 5,200lb Silverado that Edmunds has in their long term fleet stopped from 60 in 128ft, which is definitely not bad. It also got to 60 in six and a half seconds which would probably embarrass most of the cars I've owned. The trucks come from the factory with those knobby mud tires. The SUVs with more performance oriented rubber should do better.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 06:18 |
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Looks worse than that awful Infiniti everyone was complaining about to
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 06:19 |
Speaking of big murican SUVs, the 2014 Durango is probably the best looking of the whole bunch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTHriC6qA0U I'd say it's one of the few cars that does gray well.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 06:39 |
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The Ron Burgundy adds are pretty funny too. The glove box can hold 50 packs of gum!
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 06:42 |
"GUM FOR DAYS!" I see that the horse one has already rustled some jimmies going by the comments. With Fiat purchasing the rest of VM Motori, they should really put the diesel V6 in the Durango. That would make its best in class MPG untouchable while simultaneous boosting its towing ability.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 07:00 |
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For what it is the Escalade doesn't look bad. On the other hand the rear quarter / tail treatment with the tall taillights etc make it look more like a big station wagon than a converted truck. Which may have been the point, but I wonder how that's going to market to people picking one over an import for the butch factor.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 07:12 |
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welp here's a new diesel engine! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFx0H3L_1cE
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 08:21 |
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Throatwarbler posted:
Oh yeah collapsed from 5 to 3. I like quirky vehicles and AWD wagons actually but the Crosstour / ZDX, meh. Hopefully we see some OEMs pick up that diesel engine.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 10:58 |
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CharlesM posted:Hopefully we see some OEMs pick up that diesel engine.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 13:57 |
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I love the front end of the new Escalade but the back end looks like a Volvo and I'm not particularly a fan of those deeply vertical taillights.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 14:54 |
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Mr. Apollo posted:Nissan is using it in the next gen Titan. I don't really care about the new Titan because there's a plethora of large diesel trucks already on the market to choose from, but it would be interesting if they put this engine into a Titan based Armada SUV, since everyone seems to have stopped making large diesel SUVs after the demise of the 7.3l diesel Excursion. The 3.0l VM V6 seems too small for a large 3 row.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 15:07 |
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Throatwarbler posted:welp here's a new diesel engine! Cool turbo design.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 16:00 |
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Tekne posted:Speaking of big murican SUVs, the 2014 Durango is probably the best looking of the whole bunch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTHriC6qA0U Since they brought the Durango back a few years ago I've literally seen two of them on the road.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 16:08 |
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hasKeyser S0ze posted:They are still 145+ feet to stop from 60 mph. So when some xanax'd out SUV soccer mom driving a Denali full of screaming kids is tailgating me - I always need to know proper escape routes in case someone stacks up ahead of us. I seriously considered adding some bigger brakes to the Tahoe when I had it - and it seems they haven't gotten any better. The 6129lb 150 Harley Davidson pulled off a117ft stop in a motor trend test a while back. In the days of 14+inch rotors and 275mm stock tires, braking distance isn't an issue. http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/1110_2011_ford_f_150_full_line_test/ Powershift fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Oct 8, 2013 |
# ? Oct 8, 2013 16:16 |
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The Escalade's rear half reminds me of a hearse.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 16:20 |
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Powershift posted:has Sure, 150 HD gonzo is great but I bet it can only hit that number only the very first time (and will fade quickly) and only accounts for a small percentage of the actual trucks out there tailgating everyone. Similar to the SRT-8 Grand Cherokee 0-60 arguments. Also most consumers will put the cheapest, shittiest all season tires from Walmart on their rigs and if GM/Ford is still including crap like the Firestone Wilderness/Destination LE or Goodyear Wranglers on new trucks then those things are awful too.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 16:37 |
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Keyser S0ze posted:Sure, 150 HD gonzo is great but I bet it can only hit that number only the very first time (and will fade quickly) and only accounts for a small percentage of the actual trucks out there tailgating everyone. Similar to the SRT-8 Grand Cherokee 0-60 arguments. Also most consumers will put the cheapest, shittiest all season tires from Walmart on their rigs and if GM/Ford is still including crap like the Firestone Wilderness/Destination LE or Goodyear Wranglers on new trucks then those things are awful too. While we are judging here, why did you get a5 series. The 3 series is lighter and brakes quicker. Why are you risking my safety with your poor life choices. Everybody knows bmw drivers always do 30 over the speed limit, we would be better off you were doing that in a lighter car that could do less damage.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 17:15 |
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Yeah, panic stops with cold brakes come almost entirely down to tires, weight, suspension, and ABS system tuning considering you can almost instantly lock up the brakes on any modern truck just fine. Fade-resistance is its own thing, but it really has zero relevance for boring everyday drivers short of "I'm going down an enormous hill and I'm sloooooowly pressing the brakes the entire time", which honestly is arguably still more user error than anything else.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 17:22 |
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It is perfectly valid to say that test braking distances done with new OEM tires don't necessarily reflect on real world conditions with whatever underinflated bald mismatches someone has thrown on oversized and heavy wheels onto their style truck. Knowing that a pro driver on a test track got a Leviathan SUV to crank to a halt only a few feet past where my motorcycle can stop is cold comfort in the real world when the posterboy for distracted driving is riding my rear end in traffic. This is basically the same argument going on in the terrible car stuff thread. However, that's true of all cars, and this is the new car thread, where those numbers are as meaningful as they'll ever be. The car makers can only do so much if the eventual owners neglect to keep their vehicles in proper condition.
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Powershift posted:It's not a loving track day. If you have to panic brake from 60 to 0 twice in less than 5 minutes, yot are going to kill somebody no matter what you are driving. The only advantage the 117 foot hd has over the others is massive rubber which most esclades and such will obviously have. They are driving 30 mph faster to get away from the mouffbreathers in the pickup trucks/suv's tailgating everyone.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 17:41 |
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Autoblog spent some time with the S60's new powertrain. A 300hp twincharged 2.0L 4cyl that Volvo is hoping will get around 40mpg on the highway. http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/08/2015-volvo-s60-t6-drive-e-review-first-drive-video/ The new motors are called Drive-E, which should confuse enough people into thinking they're hybrids.
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SouthLAnd posted:Autoblog spent some time with the S60's new powertrain. A 300hp twincharged 2.0L 4cyl that Volvo is hoping will get around 40mpg on the highway. Still better than Earth Dreams.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 18:46 |
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The Midniter posted:Still better than Earth Dreams. EarthDreams is so childishly aloof and pretentious that I like it.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 21:17 |
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SouthLAnd posted:Autoblog spent some time with the S60's new powertrain. A 300hp twincharged 2.0L 4cyl that Volvo is hoping will get around 40mpg on the highway. 300hp and 40mpg on the highway seems impossible with current technology.
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# ? Oct 9, 2013 01:53 |
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Bovril Delight posted:300hp and 40mpg on the highway seems impossible with current technology. Gearing and engine management could possibly do it.
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# ? Oct 9, 2013 02:05 |
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I bet you don't believe there are robots living among us either? E: The swedish edition of Auto Motor & Sport did a mileage race last year, where they drove some cars as far as possible on one tank in regular traffic, and they had to keep a certain average speed so as to not skew the numbers, and the 150hp Volvo V60 T3 got 58.81 MPG US. Sure, that ain't 300hp but it's not too shabby for a turbo petrol car. Nidhg00670000 fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Oct 9, 2013 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Gearing and engine management could possibly do it. The current Mustang V6 gets what, 32MPG highway? It's got over 300hp.
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