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The first I read on this very board! It may have been a WON thing. Unsure.
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Manwithastick posted:I will also believe JR and Heyman was a team that couldnt be beaten! JR and Heyman is probably my favorite commentary duo. they had great chemistry and Heyman was an extremely good color commentator. it's a shame that their run was so short-lived.
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Oct 12, 2013 05:24
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TL posted:I've been watching a lot of 80s WWF PPVs lately, and I'm wondering what the consensus as to the best announce team of that era was. I'll always love Monsoon/Heenan, and Bobby The Brain is the finest color guy to have speak into the microphone, but I think Monsoon/Ventura worked better as a team, if that makes any sense. The problem is that, as much as I loved him, Monsoon was a bad commentator. Bobby was smart, a great commentator, and frequently involved in storylines, so it was often impossible for him to find the right level to hit Gorilla's strengths while still saying everything he needed to say the way the Brain needed to be saying it. Ventura worked better with Gorilla because he had less of a role to play away from the table, so there was less for him to have to keep in mind and more leeway in how he engaged Gorilla, if that makes any sense.
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Oct 12, 2013 05:30
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crankdatbatman posted:Is RVD still on TV/over? Over - yes On TV - some sort of work shoot crap I never get right, he said basically he wasn't thrilled with this little run in WWE. I expect he wanted a title of some sort. Unfortunately for him del rio is supposed to be kind of a big deal so he couldn't go over in that feud.
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Oct 12, 2013 05:44
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I wasn't watching wrestling when Samoa Joe had that stupid tattoo. I'm always cracking up when I see it but I dot know the context at all. Is there any?
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Oct 12, 2013 06:07
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WeaponX posted:I wasn't watching wrestling when Samoa Joe had that stupid tattoo. I'm always cracking up when I see it but I dot know the context at all. Is there any? He was feuding with the Main Event Mafia and did a stretcher job. About a month later he came back with a penis drawn on his face and noticeably fatter threatening the Main Event Mafia with his "Nation of Violence" which mostly involved him waddling around and exchanging holds with Scott Steiner. I think in TNA continuity the whole "Nation of Violence" part ended up being a swerve to gain AJ Styles's trust or something for when Joe turned heel a couple months later, but he kept the penis facepaint for awhile.
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Oct 12, 2013 06:13
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Supreme Allah posted:Over - yes I don't know if RVD wanted a title but I think he probably wanted a little more than being in the "jobber to the stars" role. that said I would've put the World Heavyweight Championship on him, at least then we'd have a WHC who's over.
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Oct 12, 2013 06:45
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jeffersonlives posted:He was feuding with the Main Event Mafia and did a stretcher job. About a month later he came back with a penis drawn on his face and noticeably fatter threatening the Main Event Mafia with his "Nation of Violence" which mostly involved him waddling around and exchanging holds with Scott Steiner. I think in TNA continuity the whole "Nation of Violence" part ended up being a swerve to gain AJ Styles's trust or something for when Joe turned heel a couple months later, but he kept the penis facepaint for awhile. Samoa Joe's got a On that note, is Samoa Joe the biggest case of wasted potential in wrestling? The only other ones I could think of are Magnum T.A. and maybe Nigel? But both of those are mostly health related. What about just complete misuse also?
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Oct 12, 2013 06:57
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WeaponX posted:Samoa Joe's got a Wasn't "the Red Rooster" Terry Taylor supposed to be pretty goddamn good before he became... y'know...
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Oct 12, 2013 07:34
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LvK posted:Wasn't "the Red Rooster" Terry Taylor supposed to be pretty goddamn good before he became... y'know... Yeah, the damage that did to his career is pretty amazing. He went from one of the best in the business to unusable.
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Oct 12, 2013 07:42
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MassRafTer posted:Yeah, the damage that did to his career is pretty amazing. He went from one of the best in the business to unusable. What prompted him to be so thoroughly hosed like that? That gimmick was legendarily bad.
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Oct 12, 2013 07:50
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jeffersonlives posted:He was feuding with the Main Event Mafia and did a stretcher job. About a month later he came back with a penis drawn on his face and noticeably fatter threatening the Main Event Mafia with his "Nation of Violence" which mostly involved him waddling around and exchanging holds with Scott Steiner. I think in TNA continuity the whole "Nation of Violence" part ended up being a swerve to gain AJ Styles's trust or something for when Joe turned heel a couple months later, but he kept the penis facepaint for awhile. You forgot the ridiculous cardboard knife he occasionally threatened people with.
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Oct 12, 2013 10:20
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Xerzes posted:You forgot the ridiculous cardboard knife he occasionally threatened people with. Also the time he literally murdered Scott Steiner, only for him to return 2 weeks later totally fine.
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Oct 12, 2013 11:52
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WeaponX posted:On that note, is Samoa Joe the biggest case of wasted potential in wrestling? The only other ones I could think of are Magnum T.A. and maybe Nigel? But both of those are mostly health related. What about just complete misuse also? Can it really be a waste if it happens in TNA? I asked the same question a while back (who was wasted the most not counting injuries and death) and the consensus seemed to be Bam Bam Bigelow.
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Oct 12, 2013 13:16
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crankdatbatman posted:Is RVD still on TV/over? His contract just expired, and he's apparently being a big baby about the push he got. Which is hilarious because he was pushed as an upper midcarder, wasn't constantly jobbing and I think had matches on every Raw and Smackdown. Did he expect to be WWE Champion or something? e: beaten by a country mile bradzilla fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Oct 12, 2013 |
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Oct 12, 2013 13:24
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I have an old MP3 on my computer for a good decade or more ago called "ECW Kaientai" which seems to be some kind of Japanese rock song. I have no idea where I got it from and wouldn't have listened to it in years. I chucked it up on Tindeck. http://tindeck.com/listen/blyq It's actually kind of catchy, but the MP3 I have cuts off midway through. Does anyone have any idea what the song is? Was it ever actually used by Kaientai? I tried searching for ECW Kaientai but the only record I can find of them being in ECW was a one-time match as bWo Japan. I'm wondering if the song was just mislabelled? Alternative, if anyone understands any Japanese, even enough to just write the lyrics down, I can probably Google that.
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Oct 12, 2013 13:35
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I'd Google it for you if it was in Japanese, but that song sounds pretty Spanish to me.
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Oct 12, 2013 13:58
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Oh. Apparently my ability to detect other languages isn't what I thought it was. I guess I just assumed it was Japanese because it had Kaientai in the name  Sounds likely that it has absolutely nothing to do with Kaientai then.
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Oct 12, 2013 14:29
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MassRafTer posted:I've never really heard any stories about them going out of their way to keep Cena happy. Mickie James
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Oct 12, 2013 14:36
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bradzilla posted:His contract just expired, and he's apparently being a big baby about the push he got. Which is hilarious because he was pushed as an upper midcarder, wasn't constantly jobbing and I think had matches on every Raw and Smackdown. Did he expect to be WWE Champion or something? Considering the reactions he got were on roughly the same level as Bryan and Orton around the same time, I'd say it'd be fair to be treated like a consistent thread. They turned him into just another guy within a month of his return.
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Oct 12, 2013 15:04
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Valeyard posted:Mickie James I think that's more along the lines of "Okay, so they were having an affair, and then he decided to break it off. Probably a good idea we don't have them travel to the same show." I mean, that's just managment. Unless you mean overlooking the fact that he was having an affair. Which while a dick move, technically isn't in violation of anything regarding his job. Wrestlers sleep with the women wrestlers all the time. Unless I'm wrong and he requested/demanded she be moved to Smackdown, and placed in a humiliating feud with Michelle McCool.
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Oct 12, 2013 15:27
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Rodney the Piper posted:Considering the reactions he got were on roughly the same level as Bryan and Orton around the same time, I'd say it'd be fair to be treated like a consistent threat. They turned him into just another guy within a month of his return. He's also not the same RVD that he was during the Invasion. He's older, slower, and should be elevating younger guys at this point in his career.
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Oct 12, 2013 15:28
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CombineThresher posted:He's also not the same RVD that he was during the Invasion. He's older, slower, and should be elevating younger guys at this point in his career. You aren't really effective putting people over if you don't mean anything, though. You could have given him a short run with the belt after a four-way or something and then had ADR or whoever decisively beat him in a feud. I don't think he needed or wanted a long-term title run, but doing something where beating him had meaning is what should have happened. I think they failed pretty dramatically at that. Neither ADR or RVD benefited from that feud.
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Oct 12, 2013 15:55
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He was in a pattern for a while of beating someone on Raw, then he'd lose to that person on Smackdown. He'd beat someone on Smackdown, then lose to that person on Raw. Wishy washy nothing booking, which WWE does to everyone, but still.
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Oct 12, 2013 16:49
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Onmi posted:Unless I'm wrong and he requested/demanded she be moved to Smackdown, and placed in a humiliating feud with Michelle McCool. I don't remember how that feud ended. I know Mickie beat her for the title in like 10 seconds, but then they continued it past that and added Beth Phoenix and Maria Kanellis for some reason, didn't they? How did the feud actually end after that?
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Oct 12, 2013 19:24
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Two questions: 1) Has anyone used the reverse hurricanrana as a finisher? It looks devastating and I cringe every time I see it, but I don't recall ever seeing anyone pinned with it. 2) What are considered to be the finest William Regal matches?
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Oct 12, 2013 20:58
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Sprint posted:2) What are considered to be the finest William Regal matches? Benoit vs Regal from the Pillman Memorial Show is genuinely a 5*-level match.
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Oct 12, 2013 21:02
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cmndstab posted:I have an old MP3 on my computer for a good decade or more ago called "ECW Kaientai" which seems to be some kind of Japanese rock song. I have no idea where I got it from and wouldn't have listened to it in years. I chucked it up on Tindeck. That's Heroes del Silencio's (Spanish rock band) song Entre dos tierras. Used by Kaientai DX while in Japan and also on the ECW Barely Legal PPV.
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Oct 12, 2013 21:28
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WeaponX posted:Samoa Joe's got a On the topic, what the gently caress happened to him? I watched the CM Punk-Samoa Joe matches, then Daniels-Styles-Joe and Joe-Angle, then just kind of lost interest in wrestling for awhile. I came back and I never hear about him anymore.
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Oct 12, 2013 21:40
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AmbassadorFriendly posted:On the topic, what the gently caress happened to him? I watched the CM Punk-Samoa Joe matches, then Daniels-Styles-Joe and Joe-Angle, then just kind of lost interest in wrestling for awhile. I came back and I never hear about him anymore. TNA. That's it.
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Oct 12, 2013 21:52
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AmbassadorFriendly posted:On the topic, what the gently caress happened to him? I watched the CM Punk-Samoa Joe matches, then Daniels-Styles-Joe and Joe-Angle, then just kind of lost interest in wrestling for awhile. I came back and I never hear about him anymore. TNA killed him dead also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZqo4OZ0Pqs
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Oct 12, 2013 22:18
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Part of the blame should go to Joe himself. If you don't like how you're booked it's still no excuse to give a half rear end effort and let yourself go completely.
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Oct 12, 2013 23:14
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budreck posted:Part of the blame should go to Joe himself. If you don't like how you're booked it's still no excuse to give a half rear end effort and let yourself go completely. Eh... considering the poo poo he was given over Russo's booking mixed with his age I'd say its a completely rational and justified reason to stop giving a poo poo.
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Oct 12, 2013 23:24
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budreck posted:Part of the blame should go to Joe himself. If you don't like how you're booked it's still no excuse to give a half rear end effort and let yourself go completely. He did get out of shape, but in the ring I have never seen his work rate really drop. He has bad matches against turds or when there is overbooking, but everyone does. When he gets someone good the results are great.
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Oct 12, 2013 23:57
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I will never forgive TNA for ruining Samoa Joe. I mean, I'd never forgive them anyway for all the other horrible things they did but ruining Samoa Joe is the one that really twists the knife for me. Just gently caress TNA.
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Oct 13, 2013 00:25
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:Eh... considering the poo poo he was given over Russo's booking mixed with his age I'd say its a completely rational and justified reason to stop giving a poo poo. Then he should quit. You're doing a disservice to paying fans when you don't act like you care about your job.
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Oct 13, 2013 00:49
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You pay to watch TNA?
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Oct 13, 2013 00:53
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sticklefifer posted:I don't remember how that feud ended. I know Mickie beat her for the title in like 10 seconds, but then they continued it past that and added Beth Phoenix and Maria Kanellis for some reason, didn't they? How did the feud actually end after that? Michelle and Layla beat her into the ground and she left the company. Fauxhawk Express posted:You pay to watch TNA? You watch TNA?
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Oct 13, 2013 00:54
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MassRafTer posted:He did get out of shape, but in the ring I have never seen his work rate really drop. He has bad matches against turds or when there is overbooking, but everyone does. When he gets someone good the results are great.
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Oct 13, 2013 01:01
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budreck posted:Part of the blame should go to Joe himself. If you don't like how you're booked it's still no excuse to give a half rear end effort and let yourself go completely. Joe also did not want to go to WWE, as in consciously did not want to jump even when it became clear TNA was wasting him. Vince would have liked him, without question, back in 2006 and he would have found a niche in the WWE system. But Joe was adamant that he wasn't wanted in WWE (which could have been true, but seeing how Umaga became Vince's #1 priority shortly thereafter it's hard to not picture Joe in that spot).
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