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VitalSigns posted:Any suggestions for continuing to troll Scotch Tape here? Do you live in a state where you're required to carry auto insurance? Or just ad hom the poo poo out of him for being an idiot.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Do you live in a state where you're required to carry auto insurance? Or just ad hom the poo poo out of him for being an idiot. Very different. You don't need insurance to own a car. You need insurance to register a car for use on public roads. And if you don't own a car, you don't need to buy insurance.
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Neptr posted:Very different. You don't need insurance to own a car. You need insurance to register a car for use on public roads. And if you don't own a car, you don't need to buy insurance. You also might be able to get away with not owning or using a car. Good luck doing the same for healthcare, you immortal!
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Do you live in a state where you're required to carry auto insurance? Or just ad hom the poo poo out of him for being an idiot. Everyone responds to the car insurance mandate versus health insurance mandate with "Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. You don't have to drive a car..." and will go into the fact that health insurance is a privilege, and you'll hardly be able to convince someone that it should be a right.
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The Macaroni posted:There's a whole separate stupid email/article species devoted to Indocentric ideas. (Did I just make up that word?) They mostly revolve around one of two flavors: 1) "Oh, this scientific/architectural/medical breakthrough? Yeah, India had that in like 3,000,000 BC. The Rig Veda mentions the Large Hadron Collider." Which goes into species 2) "The only reason India doesn't rule the world is because of British imperialism." I got a copy of the Baghavad Gita from a Hare Krishna at college. Really cool book. The dude who annotated it was kinda crazy though. There is a passage where Krishna talks about how the soul cannot be destroyed by weapons, fire, etc. In the annotation, the dude claimed that the fire weapon alluded to in the text was a nuclear weapon, and that ancient Indians had access to other elemental weapons that have yet to be rediscovered by modern science.
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seiferguy posted:Everyone responds to the car insurance mandate versus health insurance mandate with "Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. You don't have to drive a car..." and will go into the fact that health insurance is a privilege, and you'll hardly be able to convince someone that it should be a right. People literally think "America grants 100% freedom through the Constitution / Bill of Rights. Healthcare is not in the Constitution. Ergo, healthcare is not a right." The idea that there can be things that should be rights that America doesn't protect can be hard for these people's head to wrap around. Neptr fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Oct 18, 2013 |
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Oct 18, 2013 17:50
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Oct 18, 2013 17:51
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Got this gem yesterday -quote:Scary Obituary
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I too think empty tracts of land should have the same voting rights as a human being.
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Oct 18, 2013 18:02
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It's odd how that same email existed in 2000, even though Gore lost. I guess you can apply it to any situation. http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp
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Oct 18, 2013 18:10
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It's (shockingly) factually incorrect too. Obama won 26 states plus DC, Romney won 24. Oh and Obama got 5 million more votes.
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Oct 18, 2013 18:15
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It's also odd how a 130 year old Scot writes in a way indistinguishable from a modern American.
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Oct 18, 2013 18:18
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Mornacale posted:Just keep hammering on the fact that the CSA were traitors. The most hilarious thing about the "States' Rights!  crowd is that the South had no problem trampling on the laws of Free States with things like the Fugitive Slave Act.The South Carolina Declaration of Secession was mostly endless bitching that the feds weren't going north and rounding up black people to be sold South and that some Northern states were insisting on things like "due process" and "proof that someone is really an escaped slave" before letting bounty hunters kidnap people and take them out of state. Come to think of it, how does secession solve that problem? If the United States is now a foreign abolitionist power, won't they be less likely to return escaped slaves?
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Hamsalad posted:Got this gem yesterday - Mmm American patriots waxing about how terrible democracy is. Maybe the would prefer a monarchy?
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VitalSigns posted:Mmm American patriots waxing about how terrible democracy is. Maybe the would prefer a monarchy? Considering how much it's become a thing for the right-wing sections of the internet to slobber over Putin, I'd say a lot of tea partiers in this country very much just want a dictator that agrees with them.
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Duke Igthorn posted:I too think empty tracts of land should have the same voting rights as a human being. That would be more in line with the vision of the founding fathers than what we have now. Strom Cuzewon posted:It's also odd how a 130 year old Scot writes in a way indistinguishable from a modern American. Invariably the giveaway for any pre-20th-century malquotation. VideoTapir fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Oct 18, 2013 |
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We just had a meeting for our whole (<50 people total) company where our benefits rep waxed a little opinionated about the PPACA and I wanted to see if anyone sees anything willfully misrepresented. The things I made notes about were: 1. Obama/The Executive are violating the law by delaying the employer mandate. 2. All health plans now cover the same things for men and women, including such things as maternity and prenatal care. He also said some things about adult children staying on their parents' plans being charged as adults (which makes sense, really) and there being three bands of ages considered for rate changes, thereby lumping everyone from 20-40 into one group, for instance. It's not that I think he's wrong in most of these, just that a discussion of how our benefits were changing rapidly became politically-charged, and I think the tone with which he delivered some of the info to our group caused it. By the end I was straight up interrupting him, like when he said the increase in almost anything you buy "will" be passed on to the consumer as opposed to 'can.'
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I'm bracing myself for my company's "Benefits Overview Meeting" next week. HR has already announced that "due to rising claims costs", our premiums will be going up 25%. I'll be very curious to hear their rationale for this... healthcare premiums have only risen 4% each year for the past three years, so 25% is quite the deviation from the norm!
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Oct 18, 2013 21:09
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Tibeerius posted:I'm bracing myself for my company's "Benefits Overview Meeting" next week. HR has already announced that "due to rising claims costs", our premiums will be going up 25%. I'll be very curious to hear their rationale for this... healthcare premiums have only risen 4% each year for the past three years, so 25% is quite the deviation from the norm! Remember, the business mandate was delayed.
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Oct 18, 2013 21:25
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Neptr posted:People literally think "America grants 100% freedom through the Constitution / Bill of Rights. Healthcare is not in the Constitution. Ergo, healthcare is not a right." The idea that there can be things that should be rights that America doesn't protect can be hard for these people's head to wrap around. I go right after these people when discussing that kind of stuff. I call them right out, and ask them what kind of heartless jerkoffs they are that they don't think everyone should have some right to healthcare insurance. Usually the backpedaling starts pretty hard at that point.
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Hamsalad posted:Got this gem yesterday - So... The US has 48 states and a population of 270 million. Good to know.
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quote:The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the There are a few that might disagree. And of course, most of those are just political entities. Picking cultural civilizations would just make that statement even dumber.
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Neptr posted:People literally think "America grants 100% freedom through the Constitution / Bill of Rights. Healthcare is not in the Constitution. Ergo, healthcare is not a right." The idea that there can be things that should be rights that America doesn't protect can be hard for these people's head to wrap around. People of that sort also often have a very childish view of "freedom" as meaning being able to do whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want.
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Economic Sinkhole posted:It's (shockingly) factually incorrect too. Obama won 26 states plus DC, Romney won 24. Oh and Obama got 5 million more votes. Most of those five million are probably takers, so they don't count. Also, looky what I found on Professor Joseph Olson's faculty page: quote:DISCLAIMER: There are a series of emails floating around the internet dealing with the 2008 Obama/McCain election and the 2000 Bush/Gore election, remarks of a Scottish philosopher named Alexander Tyler, suicide rates, or ANYTHING ELSE. I did not author any part of either email. I've been trying to kill this fallacy for 10 years. I didn't have any part of it in 2000, and I still have no part of the email in regards to the 2008 election. For details, see: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp.
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Duke Igthorn posted:I too think empty tracts of land should have the same voting rights as a human being. I love the comparison of the supposed murder rates between counties won by Obama and Romney. Like we're supposed to assume that murderers must have tipped the scale for Obama rather than that people in poor neighborhoods victimized by crime didn't want to vote for a privileged out-of-touch plutocrat who couldn't stop himself from talking poo poo about the working class whenever he thought he was alone with his rich buddies.
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Tibeerius posted:I'm bracing myself for my company's "Benefits Overview Meeting" next week. HR has already announced that "due to rising claims costs", our premiums will be going up 25%. I'll be very curious to hear their rationale for this... healthcare premiums have only risen 4% each year for the past three years, so 25% is quite the deviation from the norm! Yeah we had our overview meeting. Our insurance guys came in and claimed a 28% hike "Because Obamacare" and nobody batted an eye and just proceeded straight to the frothing about how evil Obama is.
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I've seen so many people who are upset at their hours being cut so their job doesnt have to offer them insurance. Their reflex is to blame obama, not the company that's, you know, trying to avoid giving them health insurance. It's really hard to argue it because they have a right to be angry, but they don't wanna be told their anger is misdirected. In so many people's minds, companies are like an inevitable, unchangeable force of nature, like a sleeping tiger. And if Obama just didnt wake up that tiger we'd all be fine and better off.
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The Rokstar posted:So... The US has 48 states and a population of 270 million. Good to know.  Technically, we only have 46 states and 4 commonwealths.I think my computer is bugged or something, cuz after I found this thread, my crazy email from my parents frequency has dropped by like 95%. When they start to come back I post in here and they quit again for months. At any rate, a new one! quote:Too lazy to stand in line to get their welfare checks for doing nothing! Fun Fact: Ronald Reagan, the GOP Jesus, also had a free phone program during his presidency. Unfortunately for the angry ignoramus who wrote this, there is no program under Obama that gives free cell phones to welfare recipients simply because they are on welfare. Fun Fact: That image is from people in a waiting room in Thailand. Besides, why would it even matter? "Too lazy to stand in line"? If they were that lazy I highly doubt they'd have the resolve to find a ride to the welfare office. loving retarded. The email prompts you to "be sure and read below" where they start talking about apparent voter fraud in favor of Obama? What does that have to do with an image of But it continues... quote:LEST WE FORGET Fun Fact: None of the above quote is even remotely true. http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp quote:Thanks to Obama's hand picked Lackey, Attorney General Eric Holder who proclaimed with Obama before the election that it was illegal to ask for a photo I.D. to Vote and then sued every State that required voter I.D. saying that it disenfranchised Minority Voters! "What does in Matter now!" "most Corrupt President and administration this County has ever had" I like how the author of this wrote "700 Million American Dollars that's $700,000,000.00" like literally saying 700 million wasn't clear enough for the idiots that might read this. The actual number for this program is close to $300 million, and only $53 million of that going to what a GOP nutcase might perceive as a hypocritical anti-voter fraud move done in Africa for NO REASON (except because Obama is black, obviously, born in Kenya HELLO WAK UP PPPL): whitehouse.gov posted:In Kenya, the $53 million Yes Youth Can program empowers nearly one million Kenyan youth to use their voices for advocacy in national and local policy-making, while also creating economic opportunities. In advance of Kenya’s March 2013 general elections, Yes Youth Can’s “My ID My Life” campaign helped 500,000 youth obtain National identification cards, a prerequisite to voter registration, and carried out a successful nationwide campaign with Kenyan civic organizations to elicit peace pledges from all presidential aspirants.
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Anybody have a quick rebuke of the "simple math" in terms of the raising the debt limit? I like the guy, but man is that loving retarded meme disingenuous as poo poo. It's this one:  I already have the Debt Limit Explained video queued up for this guy.
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Phone posted:Anybody have a quick rebuke of the "simple math" in terms of the raising the debt limit? I like the guy, but man is that loving retarded meme disingenuous as poo poo. If that household could declare bankruptcy without throwing the world's financial system into potential anarchy than its not really a good analogy for the US budget.
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First and simplest- $38.5 billion, after dropping 8 zeroes, is $385, not $38.50. You can also ask how much his mortgage is, and his/his children's student loans. Sovereign debt's investment, not consumption. There's also this article. quote:Anyway, it's a good analogy. The U.S. federal government really does resemble your typical money-printing family that owns lots of tanks, operates a giant insurance conglomerate, can borrow money at extremely low rates, and is assumed to be immortal.
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"There are ways for both a family and the government to raise their income. Maybe we should try that." That shoe picture is actually loving brilliant.
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Phone posted:Anybody have a quick rebuke of the "simple math" in terms of the raising the debt limit? I like the guy, but man is that loving retarded meme disingenuous as poo poo. Well for starters, once you opened the door all the poo poo would flow out that way, so you'd be forced to remove the poo poo by default (unless you're capable of teleporting). 
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Thanks, thanks, thanks. This is what I posted: quote:If that household could declare bankruptcy without throwing the world's financial system into potential anarchy than its not really a good analogy for the US budget. Also dropping 8 zeroes makes it $385 for the budget cuts.
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Gen. Ripper posted:Well for starters, once you opened the door all the poo poo would flow out that way, so you'd be forced to remove the poo poo by default (unless you're capable of teleporting). By default, you say?! I told you we didn't go far enough! Next time, we won't blink! 
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Omglosser posted:I think my computer is bugged or something, cuz after I found this thread, my crazy email from my parents frequency has dropped by like 95%. When they start to come back I post in here and they quit again for months. At any rate, a new one! This is actually Thailand.
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VitalSigns posted:I love the comparison of the supposed murder rates between counties won by Obama and Romney. Pretty sure that it's just code for black people. Well either that part or the part about people on government welfare. Who am I kidding, both are supposed to mean black people.
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UnmaskedGremlin posted:I go right after these people when discussing that kind of stuff. I call them right out, and ask them what kind of heartless jerkoffs they are that they don't think everyone should have some right to healthcare insurance. Usually the backpedaling starts pretty hard at that point. Ask them whether they have a right to leave the country, then ask them where the constitution gives them that right.
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Those kind of people think it's ok to say some people don't deserve health care because they "don't want to work". They've bought into the welfare queen/taker/moocher thing 100%. I WORK MY rear end OFF WHY SHOULD SOME LAZY BUM BENEFIT etc etc etc They believe in a Just World whether they'll admit it or not. I guess it's just too hard to believe that it really isn't a just world.
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