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If you want to be a game artist then go to Dundee, not China.
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Oh sure go to Dundee, develop a crack habit and subsist on fried confectionery, or go to Chengdu and stay rent free in a nice apartment, have lovely Szechuan food everyday and spend your weekends petting pandas... To be honest if you can bum around Sichuan for a few months after graduating then you may as well do it. Learning a bit of Chinese would be a bonus.
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Oct 22, 2013 02:08
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There aren't really actually nice apartments in China. It's all literal facade that will peel in a year or two due to humidity. Sichuan food is bad but at least it numbs your tongue so you can't taste it anymore after a few bites. Pandas are vicious and will maul you. Dundee has crack, fried food and lots of Chinese people anyway so I think it wins in my book.
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Oct 22, 2013 02:13
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Bloodnose posted:Dundee has crack, fried food and lots of Chinese people anyway so I think it wins in my book.
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Oct 22, 2013 02:22
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Magna Kaser posted:He typoed and means meter. That I most surely did not, you Imperialist scum.
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Oct 22, 2013 04:26
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Meter? I hardly knew her!  Made my very first baozi this morning. gently caress I missed that stuff, this is going to be my breakfast forever now.
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Oct 22, 2013 07:52
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goldboilermark posted:I wrote an entire post for you on this page or the previous page explaining exactly why my visa plan was perfect for you. Did you not read it? Thanks for this golboilermark, I've looked into and yes learning chinese for 15 hours a week sounds relatively good on a X visa and generally doing my own thing is preferable. The only thing I can't find out is would it be legal for me to have a job on a X?
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Oct 22, 2013 10:25
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Facepalm Ranger posted:The only thing I can't find out is would it be legal for me to have a job on a X? Not the kind of job you don't want. Farting about tutoring, technically no as well, but nobody is going to give a rat's rear end. Just stay out of training centers and other organizations and you should be fine.
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Oct 22, 2013 10:44
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GuestBob posted:Not the kind of job you don't want. Oh aye I know, I just mean something like bar work or what ever to tide me over if I need the cash. So on an X visa it's illegal for me to work? I've looked at the sites and there's no real statement saying one or the other
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Oct 22, 2013 10:56
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You won't legally be able to work at a bar. I'm pretty sure you legally can't work in China at all on a student visa.
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Oct 22, 2013 11:00
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You can, but it seems like an annoying bureaucratic process (more PSB time) and your legal limit is 8 hours per week. No sane company wants someone for just 8 hours a week. I think it's basically a way to get foreigners to do stuff for university departments.
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Oct 22, 2013 12:21
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The only time you're allowed to work on an X visa is if your university OKs it and it's an internship. The catch is this will never happen for language students and is pretty much only for a small number of foreigners doing graduate programs at Chinese universities. I did an internship last year that my uni and adviser signed off on. there might be weird things about remuneration on these internships but my advisor didn't ask and I didn't say anything. technically you're only allowed to get money from within China on a Z/working RP. There are some legal loopholes around this but they're all beyond the scope of an English training center. That said, as everyone else pointed out you won't get caught for tutoring.
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Oct 22, 2013 12:24
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Z visas are employer-specific, right? If I were to find somewhere that wasn't Harbin, city of death air, to work, I'd have to get a new visa and such, wouldn't I?
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Ceciltron posted:Z visas are employer-specific, right? If I were to find somewhere that wasn't Harbin, city of death air, to work, I'd have to get a new visa and such, wouldn't I? Yes. There is/was such a thing as transferring Zvisas but that still required a new company's paperwork to be in the system.
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Oct 22, 2013 12:29
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I had a phone interview this morning. It lasted about 2 minutes before she started asking about visas and said she couldn't get me a Z visa but could get me an F visa and I hung up on her.
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Oct 22, 2013 13:21
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Magna Kaser posted:The only time you're allowed to work on an X visa is if your university OKs it and it's an internship. The catch is this will never happen for language students and is pretty much only for a small number of foreigners doing graduate programs at Chinese universities. Just been chatting with my girlfriend, how difficult would it be to do something like this: Get a tourist visa (this last 180 days right), chill out for a while get settled then looks for cheap universities that teach Chinese. Get a visa swap from a tourist to a student and boom boom! Comfortable in china! Would this be difficult?
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Oct 22, 2013 15:43
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Facepalm Ranger posted:Just been chatting with my girlfriend, how difficult would it be to do something like this: Multi-entry tourist visa may be valid for 6 or 12 months depending on which one you get. However, length of stay is only 30 days. So you'll have to cross the border somewhere once a month. Dude, these guys know what they're talking about. The student visa is the easiest way to get a long-term visa. I'm also not too sure about getting that student visa in-country. SB35 fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Oct 22, 2013 |
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Oct 22, 2013 15:48
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Facepalm Ranger posted:Just been chatting with my girlfriend, how difficult would it be to do something like this: Oh this is going to end well, I can see it all unfolding.
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Oct 22, 2013 16:13
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A visa swap will likely involve you leaving the country and going through the whole process of getting a new visa as if you never had the tourist visa to begin with.
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Oct 22, 2013 16:13
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MeramJert posted:A visa swap will likely involve you leaving the country and going through the whole process of getting a new visa as if you never had the tourist visa to begin with. You could go visit caberham if you want your visa denied!
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Oct 22, 2013 16:15
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Don't ask Chinese people about laws and processes regarding visas and immigration unless they have a specific reason to be knowledgeable about this stuff (like if it's related to their job). After all, they don't have to deal with any of it so most of them can't really offer any help or guidance and are probably just guessing.
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Oct 22, 2013 16:29
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MeramJert posted:Don't ask Chinese people about laws and processes regarding visas and immigration unless they have a specific reason to be knowledgeable about this stuff (like if it's related to their job). After all, they don't have to deal with any of it so most of them can't really offer any help or guidance and are probably just guessing. This. Even the people that often work in the foreign affairs departments don't have any idea about this stuff most of the time.
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Oct 22, 2013 16:42
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All that dumpling soup, local brewerie, rooftop bar talk is getting me excited for my trip to Beijing -> Shanghai -> Kunshan ! I just got my Visa and will be in Beijing from Nov 17th till Nov 22 then Shanghai from Nov 22 to Nov 26 then Kunshan until Dec 2nd if any of you guys are doing stuff let me know 
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Oct 22, 2013 21:17
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gwrtheyrn posted:You could go visit caberham if you want your visa denied! It's funny because it's true!
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Oct 22, 2013 23:09
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tacoman165 posted:It's funny because it's true! What are the chances of getting denied a Z when you're switching from one Z to another? We were going to switch over the summer from the sweet comfort of 'Merica but didn't because our original contract got extended. Still, we're probably going to need to switch again due to stuff on our American side of uni (joint stuff between Chinese and US universities is a hot mess, btw) in January. We have to be in Hong Kong for a week then anyway for work, so I figured it wouldn't be a big deal. Now I'm a little worried. 
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Oct 23, 2013 00:12
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My company is swapping two people now on Z visas and it is only a problem if one of the companies acts like a
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Oct 23, 2013 00:27
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goldboilermark posted:My company is swapping two people now on Z visas and it is only a problem if one of the companies acts like a Yeah, that shouldn't be an issue at all--it's stuff changing on the US side. If I'm understanding things correctly, our office will submit the new paperwork and we'll be issued a new foreign experts certificate-thing, and then we turn in all of our paperwork/passport again at the consulate in Hong Kong? (Assuming that if the gov issues the certificate, it will issue our new visa.) Then we just go and re-register for our residence permit?
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Oct 23, 2013 00:37
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blinkyzero posted:Yeah, that shouldn't be an issue at all--it's stuff changing on the US side. If I'm understanding things correctly, our office will submit the new paperwork and we'll be issued a new foreign experts certificate-thing, and then we turn in all of our paperwork/passport again at the consulate in Hong Kong? (Assuming that if the gov issues the certificate, it will issue our new visa.) Then we just go and re-register for our residence permit? In my experience, if you already have a residency permit changing jobs isn't hard. I didn't need to leave China at all.
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Oct 23, 2013 01:07
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SB35 posted:In my experience, if you already have a residency permit changing jobs isn't hard. I didn't need to leave China at all. You shouldn't need to leave China - the FEC is renewed/extended/re-issued under the new contract dates and this, possibly along with a new medical check depending on the province, is supplied to the PSB. They then issue a new RP. There is no need for a new visa of any kind either when changing jobs or staying on for another year. Unless the office responsible fucks this up somehow.
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Oct 23, 2013 01:53
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As SB and GuestBob said, you don't need to leave China to get new ones. It is all done internally.
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Oct 23, 2013 02:58
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Every year when I renew I get a new residence visa, but I don't need to leave China to do it. It's still a new visa, though.
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Oct 23, 2013 03:05
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Guys I think we need another post about how if you get a new residence permit, you don't need to leave China for it.
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Oct 23, 2013 03:19
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FearCotton posted:Now I'm a little worried. Don't be silly! Hong Kong will be awesome! I like to imagine that caberham's Hangout paradise is like that scene with pigs in Spirited Away. If you actually have a real job (aka Residence Permit) then you are good enough for work. If you don't, well stay in Hong Kong! Eat, drink, be merry and grow into a fat capitalist pig. Everyone just silently gawks at you as you stuff your self silly with all-you-can-eat-steak-sandwiches, eat sushi, and you fly off to somewhere else. As long as you are coming to HK on company dime then it's all good  But please oh please book your own travel arrangements and don't rely on some random handler/secretary who knows more about celebrity gossip instead instea of I don't know... flying . MY GIRLFRIEND'S company secretary is a loving idiot. Relied everything on last minute Telegraphic transfer to pay for hotels and flights, paid 6,000 RMB for a round trip HKG--> Beijing flight per person, etc.I think MeramJert's had a similar situation as well. But you guys are a smart bunch, having chaperoning mainland kids in USA, I'm sure you guys know how to deal with travel arrangements and all. BadAstronaut posted:Guys I think we need another post about how if you get a new residence permit, you don't need to leave China for it. SB35, please write another post! Every other goon is being lazy again. People still ask "WHERE SHOULD I STAY IN CHINA?" :arrgh: Someone please write more "My goon city"
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caberham posted:SB35, please write another post! Every other goon is being lazy again. People still ask "WHERE SHOULD I STAY IN CHINA?" :arrgh: Someone please write more "My goon city" And a trip report on butter purchasing, please.
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So, tickets booked, I'm heading to Shanghai, this time I'm going to be more organized Shanghai goon meet November 15. Make it happen~~~ Lurkers come out! No let's meet at a proper Shanghai restaurant, that way the non drinkers can come out. More details will follow~~~~
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Oct 23, 2013 04:29
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caberham posted:let's meet at a proper Shanghai restaurant, that way the non drinkers can come out. That's literally what we did last time, and still the non-drinkers would not accompany us. We'll find something that works for everyone - because, crazy as it sounds, some places serve both alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks.
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Oct 23, 2013 04:36
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caberham posted:I think MeramJert's had a similar situation as well. Yeah but when this sort of thing happened to me, it was because I was being deported from China and I was stuck in Hong Kong without easy internet or phone access and less than 1 day notice to arrange everything. It was kind of a one off situation (hopefully!)
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BadAstronaut posted:That's literally what we did last time, and still the non-drinkers would not accompany us. We'll find something that works for everyone - because, crazy as it sounds, some places serve both alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks.  Forget it, go wherever you guys want! I want to drink some Huangjiu, I will bring some from the airport duty free.
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blinkyzero posted:Yeah, that shouldn't be an issue at all--it's stuff changing on the US side. If I'm understanding things correctly, our office will submit the new paperwork and we'll be issued a new foreign experts certificate-thing, and then we turn in all of our paperwork/passport again at the consulate in Hong Kong? (Assuming that if the gov issues the certificate, it will issue our new visa.) Then we just go and re-register for our residence permit? drat it, woman! Get off my Skyrim hugbox!
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Is there a mod that lets you hug in Skyrim? One of my daughters has a bugged inventory and I can't give her presents. Urgent please help.
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