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Would anyone sincerely be upset if someone tossed a nail bomb in there?
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# ? Nov 12, 2013 18:21 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 00:48 |
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Radio Prune posted:Would anyone sincerely be upset if someone tossed a nail bomb in there? The minority communities whose people would be killed in the fascist reprisal attacks. Also nailbombs are pretty indiscriminate, so you'd probably hit someone who wasn't a fascist.
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# ? Nov 12, 2013 19:02 |
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Anosmoman posted:There kinda is though As you can see though, the relative contributions and receipts among the European countries are still far under the ratios you get up to in the US. And that's with the EU countries having a much larger spread of actual wealth/income then the states do.
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# ? Nov 12, 2013 19:38 |
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Pierogi posted:Educate yourself, it's a Roman salute! Just in case that a person resistant to sarcasm reads this, I have to point out that the Roman salute is, indeed, not Roman. Grouchy Smurf fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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Grouchy Smurf posted:Just in case that a person resistant to sarcasm read this, I have to point out that the Roman salute is, indeed, not Roman. "Ave, Caesar! We who are about to die must secure a future for the white race!"
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# ? Nov 12, 2013 21:09 |
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Install Windows posted:As you can see though, the relative contributions and receipts among the European countries are still far under the ratios you get up to in the US. And that's with the EU countries having a much larger spread of actual wealth/income then the states do. Like a whole order of magnitude's worth. It's either that or Euro breakup though. There is no other way and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
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# ? Nov 13, 2013 00:03 |
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Legia Warsaw did a pretty eye-catching, fiery protest of UEFA sanctions during the Champions League three months ago. Pretty cool until you realize that the sanctions were handed down because their supporters were being racist. Sorry to bring this to America (well, NYC specifically), but is there any connection between fascists in Poland and Polish neo-Nazis in Greenpoint, Brooklyn? There's a bigger Polish community in central Queens but I haven't heard of neo-Nazis there.
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# ? Nov 13, 2013 00:11 |
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Install Windows posted:As you can see though, the relative contributions and receipts among the European countries are still far under the ratios you get up to in the US. And that's with the EU countries having a much larger spread of actual wealth/income then the states do. I know - I just couldn't really figure out what exactly European countries where paying as a percentage of GDP for comparison because all the numbers from the EU are net while the US numbers are not. It seems to be in the area of maximum 2% og GDP though while for the US it's a minimum of 9% and typically around 15-20%. It's not enough and I don't see any way we'll be coming close to US numbers. The UK is paying practically nothing yet they may leave altogether... About 45% of the EU budget used to be agricultural subsidies though and it's being reduced to about 30% in favor of regional support - so there's that.
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# ? Nov 13, 2013 01:23 |
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dex_sda posted:Hey buddy I got some wicked sick Hugo Boss textiles for you right here So they demonstrate their hatred of gay men by dressing up a bunch of fit young guys and parading them around?
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# ? Nov 13, 2013 11:13 |
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Hodgepodge posted:So they demonstrate their hatred of gay men by dressing up a bunch of fit young guys and parading them around? Most are football hooligans. After celebrating their manly camraderie at a sporting event with thousands of other young men, a grueling workout at the gym with their bros where they compare muscles, maybe a sweaty cage fight or two, and a beer with five other dudes and no women in sight because there are none in the nationalist movement, what's a homophobe to do but yell really, really loudly about hating fags?
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# ? Nov 13, 2013 11:17 |
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Wait, women don't join social movements that implicitly argue for the "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" slogan? Verily, I am shocked.
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# ? Nov 13, 2013 11:51 |
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Jedit posted:The minority communities whose people would be killed in the fascist reprisal attacks. Also nailbombs are pretty indiscriminate, so you'd probably hit someone who wasn't a fascist. This is a good point. We should concentrate all the fascists in one place so we don't risk hitting non-fascists.
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# ? Nov 13, 2013 11:58 |
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Orange Devil posted:This is a good point. We should concentrate all the fascists in one place so we don't risk hitting non-fascists. Already making a list.
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# ? Nov 13, 2013 12:24 |
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dex_sda posted:Wait, women don't join social movements that implicitly argue for the "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" slogan? They actually do. They're the most vocal anti-feminist people you can ever meet. Like an 18 year old who first heard about Ron Paul.
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# ? Nov 13, 2013 17:48 |
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dex_sda posted:Wait, women don't join social movements that implicitly argue for the "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" slogan? Women shocked at the existence of feminism and repulsed by the thought of equality did in Nazi Germany.
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# ? Nov 13, 2013 20:11 |
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Mans posted:They actually do. They're the most vocal anti-feminist people you can ever meet. I'm sure there are some cases like that, but I imagine their numbers are rather low. Either that, or I just lost another bit of faith in humanity. dex_sda fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Nov 13, 2013 |
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dex_sda posted:I'm sure there are some cases like that, but I imagine their numbers are rather low. Yeah, they exist, but they are pretty few. One of the, uh, "National Movement's" flagship policy demands is actually a ban on gender studies, or rather "gender ideology" (that's literally part of the rightwing newspeak here) courses because they destroy the family and The upshot of this is that the far-right movement is the biggest sausagefest this side of a black metal gig. Like, it takes being pretty goddamn dumb to join up if you're a dude, but among women it seems to only attract only the most extreme of complete batshit idiots.
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# ? Nov 13, 2013 23:13 |
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I bet every heterosexual, able bodied fascist has no problem finding a like minded sweetheart. Which would put number of females in the movement somewhere below 10% overall am I right guys?
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# ? Nov 14, 2013 00:51 |
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Pierogi posted:I bet every heterosexual, able bodied fascist has no problem finding a like minded sweetheart. Which would put number of females in the movement somewhere below 10% overall am I right guys? Either that or it's like Swastika Night. Also speaking of which my god the Nazi ruled alternate timeline genre is old.
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# ? Nov 14, 2013 01:11 |
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I'm sure you all have talked about this before, but I checked back about 10-12 pages and didn't see it, so has there been any new news about this Afro-Greek basketball player that was threatened by the Golden Dawn after (and before) he was recruited for the Bucks? I don't even like sports, but this seems like an interesting story considering that Greek Neo-Nazis are getting pissy over a basketball player.
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# ? Nov 14, 2013 05:26 |
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So Geert Wilders is teaming up with Le Pen to rid Europe of undesirables. He reached out to the Danish People's Party to be part of the alliance, but while they have no beef with him, they consider Front National to be "deeply rooted in anti-semitism" (whereas Islamophobia is totally cool) and are "shocked" that their Swedish sister party, the Sweden Democrats, are even considering the offer. Their spokesman also distanced himself from the Austrian FPÖ and the Belgian Vlaams Belang for good measure. What makes this funny is that, 1) their spokesman is a former member of the Danish National Socialist Movement, 2) Jörg Haider refused to meet with him and the party founder in 2000 because they were too racist(!), and, 3) the party belongs to the same EU parliament group that houses the former chairman of Vlaams Belang, a former member of the virulently anti-semitic, Bulgarian ATAKA, the neo-fascist Lega Nord and the neo-fascist Slovak National Party, noted for routinely honouring executed nazi-collaborator Jozef Tiso.
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# ? Nov 14, 2013 06:55 |
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Mind Loving Owl posted:Either that or it's like Swastika Night. Also speaking of which my god the Nazi ruled alternate timeline genre is old. Holy poo poo, the 'Nazis won the World War II' genre was invented before World War II actually started!
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# ? Nov 14, 2013 09:20 |
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dex_sda posted:Holy poo poo, the 'Nazis won the World War II' genre was invented before World War II actually started! The author of the book also predicted they'd try wiping out the Jews. I know that seems obvious in hind sight but nobody could guess at the scale of the holocaust back then.
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# ? Nov 14, 2013 09:41 |
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SplitSoul posted:So Geert Wilders is teaming up with Le Pen to rid Europe of undesirables. He reached out to the Danish People's Party to be part of the alliance, but while they have no beef with him, they consider Front National to be "deeply rooted in anti-semitism" (whereas Islamophobia is totally cool) and are "shocked" that their Swedish sister party, the Sweden Democrats, are even considering the offer. Their spokesman also distanced himself from the Austrian FPÖ and the Belgian Vlaams Belang for good measure. It's a very shaky alliance given that Le Pen has the history of antisemitism, not sure if they still do this but hard to imagine it is all gone, whereas Wilders is the most rabid pro-Israel guy you can find in the Netherlands because of lone island of civilization fighting the savage Muslim hordes type of thinking. Similarly, he is (well, portrays himself as, really) a staunch defenders of gays and their rights because the uncivilized Muslims hate them, whereas Le Pen is a raging homophobe.
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# ? Nov 14, 2013 12:14 |
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Orange Devil posted:It's a very shaky alliance given that Le Pen has the history of antisemitism, not sure if they still do this but hard to imagine it is all gone, whereas Wilders is the most rabid pro-Israel guy you can find in the Netherlands because of lone island of civilization fighting the savage Muslim hordes type of thinking. Similarly, he is (well, portrays himself as, really) a staunch defenders of gays and their rights because the uncivilized Muslims hate them, whereas Le Pen is a raging homophobe. Le Pen The Father is an outspoken jew hater. His daughter and current ruler is not as dumb as he is. Sheep clothing and all.
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# ? Nov 14, 2013 13:21 |
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Mind Loving Owl posted:The author of the book also predicted they'd try wiping out the Jews. I know that seems obvious in hind sight but nobody could guess at the scale of the holocaust back then. And the author is a woman, to boot. Who published under a pseudonym, because of course she had to. I gotta read that.
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# ? Nov 14, 2013 15:04 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:Women shocked at the existence of feminism and repulsed by the thought of equality did in Nazi Germany. To be fair I think a big part of this was that the Nazis heavily incentivized participating in those programs and basically compelled young girls to take indoctrinatory classes on home economics and stuff. Plus Nazi rhetoric wasn't super cut and dry "gently caress feminism and equality" like Italian fascism, it just painted their focus on gender essentialism as a modern kind of sciencey feminism. Not to imply it wasn't all an utter crock, of course.
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# ? Nov 14, 2013 18:52 |
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Fandyien posted:To be fair I think a big part of this was that the Nazis heavily incentivized participating in those programs and basically compelled young girls to take indoctrinatory classes on home economics and stuff. Plus Nazi rhetoric wasn't super cut and dry "gently caress feminism and equality" like Italian fascism, it just painted their focus on gender essentialism as a modern kind of sciencey feminism. Not to imply it wasn't all an utter crock, of course. Yeah but there were women who were happy to jump in on it when the Nazis had just taken power, not years later after all other organizations were banned and not joining meant SS boys stopping around to bash up your house. Basically, your Phyllis Schlafy types.
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# ? Nov 14, 2013 19:04 |
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Orange Devil posted:It's a very shaky alliance given that Le Pen has the history of antisemitism, not sure if they still do this but hard to imagine it is all gone, whereas Wilders is the most rabid pro-Israel guy you can find in the Netherlands because of lone island of civilization fighting the savage Muslim hordes type of thinking. Similarly, he is (well, portrays himself as, really) a staunch defenders of gays and their rights because the uncivilized Muslims hate them, whereas Le Pen is a raging homophobe. Anti-semitism and pro-zionism are not always mutually exclusive, but fascists will generally take anything they can get as long as there is some overlap, which is hatred of Muslims and immigrants at this particular point in time. The spokesman I mentioned is also married to a Jewish woman and rabidly pro-zionist despite his past, and the party's founder went to a WACL conference in the '80s, an organisation historically fraught with anti-semites and literal nazis. None of them give a gently caress about Jews unless they can wield them as a weapon against Muslims, whether locally or in the world at large.
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Install Windows posted:Yeah but there were women who were happy to jump in on it when the Nazis had just taken power, not years later after all other organizations were banned and not joining meant SS boys stopping around to bash up your house. Basically, your Phyllis Schlafy types. An excerpt in support of this, taken from an August 1941 article in Harper's Magazine, "Who goes Nazi?" by Dorothy Thompson: quote:Mrs. E would go Nazi as sure as you are born. That statement surprises you? Mrs. E seems so sweet, so clinging, so cowed. She is. She is a masochist. She is married to a man who never ceases to humiliate her, to lord it over her, to treat her with less consideration than he does his dogs. He is a prominent scientist, and Mrs. E, who married him very young, has persuaded herself that he is a genius, and that there is something of superior womanliness in her utter lack of pride, in her doglike devotion. She speaks disapprovingly of other “masculine” or insufficiently devoted wives. Her husband, however, is bored to death with her. He neglects her completely and she is looking for someone else before whom to pour her ecstatic self-abasement. She will titillate with pleased excitement to the first popular hero who proclaims the basic subordination of women.
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dex_sda posted:And the author is a woman, to boot. Who published under a pseudonym, because of course she had to. I gotta read that. I should warn you it is very, very, very grim. Also oddly enough one of the few feminist science fiction books without female main characters.
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# ? Nov 15, 2013 00:42 |
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Hay dose any one know what is going on in Greece? It looks like golden dawn is bouncing back, and a lot of right wing sites a crowing about some poll they came first in. fixed spelling sorry TCT fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Nov 16, 2013 |
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TCT posted:Hay dose any one know what is going on in Greece? It looks like golden dawn is bouncing back, and a lot of right wing sites a crowing abut some pole they came first in. I know this is just a spelling mistake but serious man, you'd think the Poles would know betterI know, I know; they've got their own ultra-nationalist shitheels too, no need to remind me.
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# ? Nov 16, 2013 01:41 |
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TCT posted:Hay dose any one know what is going on in Greece? It looks like golden dawn is bouncing back, and a lot of right wing sites a crowing about some poll they came first in. I think you're talking about an internet poll (zougla.gr poll--if you want to check it out or something), so it's not legitimate at all. edit: Umm... as to your first question, a couple of minutes ago the news media said that there is a notice (proclamation?manifesto?) from a group called "Fighting Popular Revolutionary Forces" claiming responsibility for the murder of the two Golden Dawn supporters. It's an 18 page notice and supposedly they say that the murder was retaliation for the murder of the anti-fascist rapper by a Golden Dawn member. tourgon fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Nov 16, 2013 |
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tourgon posted:I think you're talking about an internet poll (zougla.gr poll--if you want to check it out or something), so it's not legitimate at all. Thanks I did know about Zougla.gr but find reading Google translations of sites almost impossible, and any info on the sites credibility kept leading me to StormFront which I should have taken as a hint. As for Fighting Popular Revolutionary Forces claiming responsibility now, dose any else find that really dodgy?
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# ? Nov 17, 2013 04:25 |
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TCT posted:Thanks I did know about Zougla.gr but find reading Google translations of sites almost impossible, and any info on the sites credibility kept leading me to StormFront which I should have taken as a hint. Almost everyone. The manifesto was a loving mess, with no main idea behind it, and the whole "new organization" approach doesn't really fit with the quality of the hit. Even the provider they contacted to release the document is questionable. It's tabloid-quality at best. Also the fact that they used a USB stick points to someone who is either really bad or exceptionally good on this whole "terrorist and anonymity" game. My personal opinion is that a random group, who has nothing with the incident, wrote the manifesto. The only other "realistic" approach is that the group is a brakeaway part of one of the older Greek terrorist organizations, but said groups knew rather well not to kill randoms. In regards to the poll, a company names RASS created a questionnaire on request of the newspaper Eleftheros Typos, and it was released in today's Sunday edition of the newspaper. Interesting points: New Democracy at 24.2% Coalition of the Radical Left at 22.6% Golden Dawn at 6.2%
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Grouchy Smurf posted:In regards to the poll, a company names RASS created a questionnaire on request of the newspaper Eleftheros Typos, and it was released in today's Sunday edition of the newspaper. Interesting points: PASOK has died enough to be behind Golden Dawn in the polls? Wow. I find the effect of the crisis on Greece's political divisions interesting. With PASOK's slide into irrelevance it looks like the usual European "two big parties, center-right and center-left" thing. Instead you have just one major party of vaguely centrist mainstream neoliberals, under siege from the radical right and radical left. Which seems a much more natural fit to modern-day ideology, but GD in third place is still really worrisome.
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# ? Nov 17, 2013 11:47 |
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Grouchy Smurf posted:In regards to the poll, a company names RASS created a questionnaire on request of the newspaper Eleftheros Typos, and it was released in today's Sunday edition of the newspaper. Interesting points: Polls should not really be trusted, in my opinion, it's very hard to imagine New Democracy being ahead of SYRIZA. I'm pretty sure there's several caveats to more or less all polls publicised in Greece at the moment (I think they are all conducted through telephone using landlines and end up missing massive demographics). But yeah it's an open question whether PASOK will manage to enter parliament next election. Guildencrantz posted:PASOK has died enough to be behind Golden Dawn in the polls? Wow. I find the effect of the crisis on Greece's political divisions interesting. With PASOK's slide into irrelevance it looks like the usual European "two big parties, center-right and center-left" thing. Instead you have just one major party of vaguely centrist mainstream neoliberals, under siege from the radical right and radical left. Which seems a much more natural fit to modern-day ideology, but GD in third place is still really worrisome. New Democracy is well to the right of centre. They'd absorbed some key elements of the far-right LAOS party a couple years ago, and one of them, a charlatan named Adonis Georgiades who has even gone on record claiming that no-one died in the Athens Polytechnic uprising (whose anniversary it is today by the way) has even been made Minister of Health. Otherwise, they do see those who vote for the Golden Dawn as voters up for grabs by appealing to racist policies such as with respect to the treatment of illegal immigrants, and are counting on moderate people sticking with them by fearmongering and portraying SYRIZA as a violent left-wing version of the Golden Dawn and as the party that will return us to the drachma.
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# ? Nov 17, 2013 12:15 |
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Fascism is definitely returning. In Sweden newspapers are publishing recipes for swastika pastries:
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# ? Nov 17, 2013 21:09 |
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Yeah according to wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Greek_legislative_election, there have been some evidence that the GD is going back into double digits...not great news. Also, Syriza and ND have been neck and neck for a while.
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