AIRPOWER/Cold War - Its literally the first two lines of their hymn

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Cyrano4747: Sep 25, 2006; Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Dead Reckoning posted:

The GiP pics thread pointed out that they already name ammunition ships after mountains. Specifically, volcanoes.

Over in . . . I think the videos thread? . . . there's a link to a youtube clip of a WW2 USN ammo ship getting hit by a kamakazi.

It's, uh, pretty spectacular. :stare:

# ? Nov 14, 2013 01:40

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# ? May 10, 2024 08:13

Dead Reckoning: Sep 13, 2011

Second link bro.

# ? Nov 14, 2013 01:43

Cyrano4747: Sep 25, 2006; Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Dead Reckoning posted:

Second link bro.

tool tipped over the first one, not the second.

# ? Nov 14, 2013 01:44

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

In a way, I'm kind of sad there's no footage of the Halifax explosion. That must have been a sight.

# ? Nov 14, 2013 01:55

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

An Mi-8/17 managed to not get shredded by MANPADS (as far as we can tell from the video), so the engine manufacturer made a really classy advertisement out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCVN1cABeFk

# ? Nov 14, 2013 03:20

grover: Jan 23, 2002; PEW PEW PEW

Dead Reckoning posted:

The GiP pics thread pointed out that they already name ammunition ships after mountains. Specifically, volcanoes.

Sure, they name ships after mountains, but do they name [underwater] mountains after the submarines that "discovered" them? If not, they should.

# ? Nov 14, 2013 03:46

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

We can't name every undersea mountain seaQuest :colbert:

# ? Nov 14, 2013 03:50

grover: Jan 23, 2002; PEW PEW PEW

mlmp08 posted:

We can't name every undersea mountain seaQuest

Well, there's also Mount San Francisco...

# ? Nov 14, 2013 03:52

Snowdens Secret: Dec 29, 2008; Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.

grover posted:

Well, there's also Mount San Francisco...

In that case I helped claim Hartford Hill

# ? Nov 14, 2013 04:08

TerryLennox: Oct 12, 2009; There is nothing tougher than a tough Mexican, just as there is nothing gentler than a gentle Mexican, nothing more honest than an honest Mexican, and above all nothing sadder than a sad Mexican. -R. Chandler.

movax posted:

ahahahahahahah

Does that unit patch actually say Two in the pink, one in the stink?

# ? Nov 14, 2013 04:47

Alaan: May 24, 2005

I hiiiiighly suspect it's a joke patch.

# ? Nov 14, 2013 04:54

Mazz: Dec 12, 2012; Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.

This might be one of the few threads in existence I would actually find interesting enough to read through 200 pages. Did it over the last few weeks or so whenever I had to kill time. Had a bunch of questions/comments too but I sure as hell wasn't going to quote 60 pages back.

Anyways, question about those new USN Bechtel reactors if the information is out there: What makes them so much more powerful? Is it a new reactor design or just higher energy density? And why don't they need the lifespan cut-out like previous reactors?

My knowledge is pretty limited of the science but I enjoyed the hell out of what I understood in the previous discussions.

# ? Nov 14, 2013 08:36

Snowdens Secret: Dec 29, 2008; Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.

That's all going to be classified.

# ? Nov 14, 2013 14:08

Koesj: Aug 3, 2003

Lead-cooled fast reactor, gently caress serviceability :getin:

# ? Nov 14, 2013 15:39

iyaayas01: Feb 19, 2010; Perry'd

movax posted:

ahahahahahahah

Alaan posted:

I hiiiiighly suspect it's a joke patch.

It is, but no bullshit, the powers that be were actually considering naming the EA-18G the shocker until someone (with no sense of humor) pointed out the alternative connotation of that word.

Growler is okay I suppose (-G + Prowler) but the idea of having a penetrating attack led by Shockers is just too great.

# ? Nov 14, 2013 15:59

Frozen Horse: Aug 6, 2007; Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

iyaayas01 posted:

It is, but no bullshit, the powers that be were actually considering naming the EA-18G the shocker until someone (with no sense of humor) pointed out the alternative connotation of that word.

Growler is okay I suppose (-G + Prowler) but the idea of having a penetrating attack led by Shockers is just too great.

Now you've got me thinking of some scenario involving Intruders penetrating North Korean airspace whilst Shockers try to jam the defences. It all comes to naught since Fagots lack the equipment to be jammed by Shockers.

# ? Nov 15, 2013 16:41

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Frozen Horse posted:

Now you've got me thinking of some scenario involving Intruders penetrating North Korean airspace whilst Shockers try to jam the defences. It all comes to naught since Fagots lack the equipment to be jammed by Shockers.

Holy poo poo North Korea has planes that are impervious to US jamming technology! WHAT IS CONGRESS DOING?

# ? Nov 15, 2013 16:45

Godholio: Aug 28, 2002; Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

OBAMA!

# ? Nov 15, 2013 17:48

StandardVC10: Feb 6, 2007; This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

Frozen Horse posted:

Now you've got me thinking of some scenario involving Intruders penetrating North Korean airspace whilst Shockers try to jam the defences. It all comes to naught since Fagots lack the equipment to be jammed by Shockers.

It's too bad that no one bought the American Aircraft Penetrator, then.

# ? Nov 15, 2013 18:18

Koesj: Aug 3, 2003

Holy poo poo I'm surfing through the foreign channels to see whether or not any footy's on, and right there on BBC 2 is Cold War, Hot Jets episode 2 :swoon:

VVV first episode was a bit tentative, only showing some tit, but it's p. hardcore in this one

Koesj fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Nov 15, 2013

# ? Nov 15, 2013 22:20

Cyrano4747: Sep 25, 2006; Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Koesj posted:

Cold War, Hot Jets

This seriously sounds like a themed porno title

# ? Nov 15, 2013 22:23

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Cyrano4747 posted:

This seriously sounds like a themed porno title

You're thinking of Frigid War, Hot Intruders.

# ? Nov 15, 2013 22:44

Propagandalf: Dec 6, 2008; itchy itchy itchy itchy

FrozenVent posted:

Holy poo poo North Korea has planes that are impervious to US jamming technology! WHAT IS CONGRESS DOING?

Stealth AN-2s invisible to the most modern radars :tinfoil:

# ? Nov 16, 2013 01:45

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Propagandalf posted:

Stealth AN-2s invisible to the most modern radars

I hate that myth so much. It's like the ".50 BMG can kill you without hitting you" of the radar world.

# ? Nov 16, 2013 02:07

grover: Jan 23, 2002; PEW PEW PEW

Glorious North Korea would crush America in any war. Here is why.
http://www.rense.com/general37/nkorr.htm

quote:

b. Air Defense

North Korea has a large number of ground-to-air missiles. It has SA-2 and SA-3 missiles against low-flying enemy planes, and SA-5 missiles for high-altitude planes. SA-5 missiles have an effective range of 250 km. SA-5 missiles can hit enemy planes flying over the middle of South Korea.

North Korea has reengineered US shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles captured in Vietnam, and designed its own missile, wha-sung. North Korea began to manufacture wha-sung missiles in 1980. Wha-sung comes in two models: SA-7 that has an effective range of 5 km and SA-16 with 10 km range. North Korea has more than 15,000 wha-sung missiles in place.

In addition to the missiles, North Korea has 12,000 anti-aircraft guns, including 37mm twin-barrel guns, 23 mm automatics, 57mm, 87mm, and 100mm heavy guns. These are mostly manually operated and thus not subject to electronic warfare.

Yes, you heard that right- absolutely invulnerable to US electronic warfare! That's not empty hyperbole, either- US really does have no means of electrically jamming those manually aimed anti-aircraft guns :ohdear:

And that's not all

quote:

e. Air Combats

North Korea has three air commands. Each command has a fighter regiment, a bomber regiment, an AN-2 regiment, an attack helicopter regiment, a missile regiment, and a radar regiment. Each command can operate independently. North Korea has 70 airbases, which are fortified against US attacks. Underground hangars protect the planes and have multiple exits for the planes to take off on different runways. North Korea has several fake airfields and fake planes to confuse US attackers.

It is said that North Korea's planes are obsolete and no match for US planes. North Korea has 770 fighters, 80 bombers, 700 transports, 290 helicopters, and 84,000 men. In case of war, North Korean planes will fly low hugging the rugged terrains and attack enemy targets. US planes are parked above ground at bases in Korea, Japan, Okinawa and Guam, and make easy targets for missile, rocket and air attacks. When war breaks out, North Korean missiles, rockets and heavy guns will destroy the 8 US airbases in South Korea, and any plane in the air would have no place to land.

North Korea's fighter planes are ill-equipped for air-to-air combats at long distances. but they can hold their own in close-quarter air combats. MiG-21 fighters from Bongchun and US F-15 from Ohsan would meet in less than 5 min, assuming they took off at about the same time. In about 5 min, hundreds of MiG21s and F-15s would be swirling in the skies over Korea. Ground-to-air missiles and air-to-air missiles would have hard time telling friends from foes. F-15Es are equipped with a radar system that lock on at 180 km for large objects and 90 km for small objects. Sidewinder missiles have an effective range of 16km, AMRAAM missiles of 50km, and Sparrow of 55km.

Korea is 100 km wide and 125 km long, and so US air-to-air missiles would be of limited use and effectiveness, because North Korean MiGs would approach the US planes in close proximity and commingle with US planes, and air-to-air missiles will become useless and machines guns will have to be used. MiG19s have 30mm guns, MiG21s have 23mm guns, and F-14s have 20mm Valkans. North Korean pilots are trained to hug the enemy planes so that air-to-air missiles cannot be used. In contrast, US pilots are trained to lock on the enemy at long distance with radar and fire missiles. US planes are heavily armed with electronics and less agile than the light, lean MiGs that can climb and turn faster than the US planes.

F-14s are about 3.3 times heavier than MiG21s, and F-150Es are about 3.6 times heavier. MiG21s are 16.6 m long whereas F-14s are 19.1 m and F-15Es 19.43 m long. MiG21s cab climb to 18km, whereas F-1A can climb to 15.8 km and F-16 to 15.2 km. MiGs get upper hands in close-range dogfights in which agility matters. In Vietnam, US planes were forced to jettison auxiliary gas tanks and bombs in order to engage MiGs. F-150 E planes will carry BLU-113 bunker busters that weigh 2,250 kg each in the next war in Korea. Loaded with such a heavy bomb, F-15s will become easy targets for North Korea's MiGs. US fighter-bombers will be protected by F-15C fighter escorts.

MiG21s are North Korea's main workhorse. The MiG21 debuted in 1965 in Vietnam and proved itself as an effective attack fighter. In 1999, North Korea bought 40 MiG21s from Kazakhstan. During the Vietnam War, MiG17s shot down dozens of American planes. North Korea sent more than 200 pilots to fight in the Vietnam War. They were tasked to defend Hanoi and shot down scores of US planes. North Korea sent 25 pilots to Syria during the 3rd Arab-Israeli war of 1966, and 30 pilots to Egypt and Syria during the 4th Arab-Israeli war of 1973. In 1976, North Korea sent more than 40 pilots to Syria.

US is doomed and should just surrender South Korea to the North right now.

grover fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Nov 16, 2013

# ? Nov 16, 2013 03:43

madeintaipei: Jul 13, 2012

grover posted:

https://www.rense.com

Seriously?

# ? Nov 16, 2013 04:22

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madeintaipei posted:

Seriously?

Hahaha what the gently caress is this website!?

# ? Nov 16, 2013 04:49

Mortabis: Jul 8, 2010; I am stupid

"Cancer is a fungus"

# ? Nov 16, 2013 05:15

Dead Reckoning: Sep 13, 2011

grover posted:

Glorious North Korea would crush America in any war. Here is why.
...
Yes, you heard that right- absolutely invulnerable to US electronic warfare! That's not empty hyperbole, either- US really does have no means of electrically jamming those manually aimed anti-aircraft guns And that's not all
...
US is doomed and should just surrender South Korea to the North right now.

So what you're trying to say here is, you've found your long lost Korean twin and he writes for a Geocities conspiracy site?

# ? Nov 16, 2013 05:37

Thief: Jan 28, 2011

This is actually a guide to jets in War Thunder.

# ? Nov 16, 2013 07:17

mustard_tiger: Nov 8, 2010

grover posted:

Korea is 100 km wide and 125 km long

That's not right is it?

# ? Nov 16, 2013 09:14

Leif.: Mar 27, 2005; Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

grover posted:

F-14s are about 3.3 times heavier than MiG21s, and F-150Es are about 3.6 times heavier. ...F-150 E planes will carry BLU-113 bunker busters that weigh 2,250 kg each in the next war in Korea.

Truly our most dangerous warplane:

# ? Nov 16, 2013 09:25

Wild EEPROM: Jul 29, 2011; oh, my, god. Becky, look at her bitrate.

mustard_tiger posted:

That's not right is it?

Nope.

It's closer to 600 miles long and 200 miles at the widest point (90 miles wide at the narrowest point)

# ? Nov 16, 2013 10:38

grover: Jan 23, 2002; PEW PEW PEW

mustard_tiger posted:

That's not right is it?

Nah, there's nothing right in that piece, but it's really funny and I love posting it.

# ? Nov 16, 2013 13:58

tangy yet delightful: Sep 13, 2005

Also I like the idea that even if North Korea was a 50x50 mile square you can apparently not fly a plane outside of that box of air to extend your engagement distance. But really that whole piece if amazing.

# ? Nov 16, 2013 18:31