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Motherfucker posted:Do mimic beacons work? It seems whenever I set up an ambush outside a UFO with one the aliens just laugh at me from the safty of their ship while my sniper sits outside in the cold looking awkward. They don't really seem to do anything as far as I can tell. Definitely too nebulous for me to bother using a slot. Geight posted:I feel like I wasted simoleons building the gene lab in my current run. A foundry or MEC lab probably would've done much more for me. Overall the MECs seem like a much stronger force on the field than modded soldiers. MECs are a new class and add a whole new dynamic to your missions. Gene mods just buff your soldiers with really useful mechanics (bioelectric skin is really really cool for how it detects nearby enemies through walls and stuff, the high jump thing is ultra useful on a lot of missions, the aim perks are good etc etc). You're intended to get both IMO but I would value the MEC over gene mods in the early game.
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FoolyCharged posted:The devs said they considered it, but that it was counter intuitive as it meant they sold you new toys and then told you not to use them. Yeah I've read that, but come on, you can play more than once.
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Fargin Icehole posted:One Interceptor stationed in the United states, RAVEN-3, is sent to deal with a large scout ship, the first encountered in this game. This is the result. I really really wish your pilots for interceptors et al were also soldiers.
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Nov 16, 2013 18:40
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oswald ownenstein posted:They don't really seem to do anything as far as I can tell. Definitely too nebulous for me to bother using a slot. But the idea seems really ridiculously handy, Luring enemies out of entrenched positions into more favorable ground than ambushing the poo poo out of them would be really synergistic with all the new stealth junk we have now. Anias posted:I really really wish your pilots for interceptors et al were also soldiers. only if you had to do retrieval missions like with covert ops guys.
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Nov 16, 2013 18:46
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"Raven-1 has shot down the UFO, do you wish to descend?" "Yes/No"
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Nov 16, 2013 18:49
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Why do people keep saying it's hard to get Meld? I'm at the start of Month 3 in my first classic game, and I haven't missed a Meld Cannister yet. In fact I was more hamstrung by the fact I wound up selling all my alloys in the first month to help get Five Sats in the air. My first terror mission was fun, too. It was a small map so the Chryssalids pretty much ran at me in the first Alien turn, stopping right in front of my lead MEC. Who had Flamethrower.  I love panicking Chryssalids.Oh, and Germany and France are wusses and didn't wanna be in the XCom Club with 5 panic. 
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Nov 16, 2013 18:50
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The game appears to be dead for everybody right now. A lot of people are crashing at the menu. I suppose this is the game telling us to take a break and play something else. 
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oswald ownenstein posted:MECs are a new class and add a whole new dynamic to your missions. Gene mods just buff your soldiers with really useful mechanics (bioelectric skin is really really cool for how it detects nearby enemies through walls and stuff, the high jump thing is ultra useful on a lot of missions, the aim perks are good etc etc). This is also exacerbated even more by the fact that gene modding squaddies in flak using ballistics is potentially a tremendous waste of money and meld. It's substantially easier to protect your meld/cash investment when it's in a huge armored robot with a powerfist that can move nearly as fast as your infantry can sprint than it's in a squaddie who is going to panic and hunker down next to a burning car after another squaddie gets killed by a thin man. Gene mods are definitely better saved until you have troops worth investing in and the technology to keep them alive long enough to take advantage. BenRGamer posted:Why do people keep saying it's hard to get Meld? I'm at the start of Month 3 in my first classic game, and I haven't missed a Meld Cannister yet. It's not particularly hard to collect canisters, but high tier MECs and heavy gene modding consume so much of it that even if you've got a perfect streak you will never have enough to do everything you want without farming. In particular, a tier 3 MEC will run you over 200 meld all told assuming you never need to replace the pilot, and fully gene modding a single guy can run you ~100-200 depending on which mods you prefer. At 20 meld per mission average(sometimes you get less because of a dick canister, sometimes you get more because of mechtoids), that's a lot of missions invested into one guy. Kanos fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Nov 16, 2013 |
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Went for an abduction mission in Germany. That brough panic up to 5 for China, India and Australia (Starting continent)  Luckily I took out the base after that, but man do I hate that "raises panic across the whole continent, gently caress you" system.
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Kanos posted:This is also exacerbated even more by the fact that gene modding squaddies in flak using ballistics is potentially a tremendous waste of money and meld. It's substantially easier to protect your meld/cash investment when it's in a huge armored robot with a powerfist that can move nearly as fast as your infantry can sprint than it's in a squaddie who is going to panic and hunker down next to a burning car after another squaddie gets killed by a thin man. Also, the most useful gene mods only become available after you've done some autopsies, so maybe in month 2. By that time you probably already have an A-team. Getting a Heavy-MEC first is a priority imo.
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Pimpmust posted:I'm saddened by the fact that there's no achievement for winning EW old school You know that if there was, the internet would be flooded with angry nerds flipping out over the game giving them all those great toys and telling them not to use them. See Dishonored and its non-lethal options/ending for a prime example.
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Sardonik posted:The game appears to be dead for everybody right now. A lot of people are crashing at the menu. Yep this has happened to me. Crashed while saving in singleplayer and now just crashes on the main menu every time I start the game. Great.
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Nov 16, 2013 18:55
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Is rushing satellites still as important as it was in the base game? Or is there a better system in place now?
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Pimpmust posted:Went for an abduction mission in Germany. It's a predictable system and it's essentially your fault if you don't account for it. Panic rises by 2 in any country you don't go to, and 1 on every country in the same continent. Do the math...Commander FrickenMoron posted:Is rushing satellites still as important as it was in the base game? Or is there a better system in place now? Just as important.
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Sardonik posted:The game appears to be dead for everybody right now. A lot of people are crashing at the menu. Oh right, so its not just me? Happy days, at least I don't have to spend time bothering trying to figure out what went wrong!
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Captain Oblivious posted:It's a predictable system and it's essentially your fault if you don't account for it. Panic rises by 2 in any country you don't go to, and 1 on every country in the same continent. Do the math...Commander I did, and I didn't lose any of them. It's just a dull and gamey system. I'd much rather see a proper air war module, and being allowed to get more skyrangers but have to balance that with all the other poo poo you have to get. And maybe some missions where you send agents on diplomatic/propaganda missions to try to keep a panic 5 country around for another month, but Exalt or the Aliens can intercept the operative and turn it into a proper fight mission. I no, I still don't buy having an achievement for winning the game vanilla being some huge issue. There's like 4+ achievements for using MECs and Gene troopers in different combos. Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Nov 16, 2013 |
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Going to have to restart. I lost Australia earlier, panic is max in several countries and I'm seriously limited in alloys which prevents me from making a Firestorm.
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Motherfucker posted:But the idea seems really ridiculously handy, Luring enemies out of entrenched positions into more favorable ground than ambushing the poo poo out of them would be really synergistic with all the new stealth junk we have now. Yeah you can basically ignore everything I just said. I had a mimic beacon completely save my loving rear end from a Chryssalid/Berserker swarm on a certain mission. They ignored my troops and ran over to the beacon. 10/10 would use again.
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I may have missed this, do MECS panic?
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Sardonik posted:The game appears to be dead for everybody right now. A lot of people are crashing at the menu. Well, if it's not just me that's good, because it means it should be easy to find a resolution, but that's bad in that I can't play right now. Also, thank god that when it crashed mid auto save I was doing a no mech 4 trooper impossible gimmick run and thus off iron man.
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Benagain posted:I may have missed this, do MECS panic? Yes.
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I just got the chance to really dive into Enemy Within today and got a MEC up and running. She is a drat monster but I'm kind of regretting taking Kinetic Strike over flamethrower. I rarely get the chance to use kinetic strike, I thought it would behave something like Run and Gun and I could do it after dashing but I suppose that would be really overpowered. In any case, this railgun is just owning everything and since I turned an assault into a MEC trooper she's a drat tank. I haven't even had the money to start up Gene mods because I'm only at the beginning of month 3 right now, that'll probably be the next big investment I make. Or maybe I'll build a second MEC suit with flamethrowers.
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Captain Oblivious posted:It's a predictable system and it's essentially your fault if you don't account for it. Panic rises by 2 in any country you don't go to, and 1 on every country in the same continent. Do the math...Commander I do the math and still think it's annoying, particularly because keeping that amount of panic down requires rushing sats, and sat rushing is just plain unfun. I think that with EXALT's propaganda mechanic, the way I managed to get things to work in the base game would work even better. With terror missions as the main source of panic creep, and abductions being fewer/the UFOs responsible could be shot down, I still saw panic slowly creep upward (even after getting global satellite coverage) because the best you could do on terror missions was keep panic from increasing.
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Why do Mechtoids get to shoot twice in a turn?  Downed a UFO on a skyscraper, had to clean up the rubble, very first move I uncover a mechtoid and I have poo poo for cover. Goodbye Major Lethodo, your fun skill roulette selection will be missed... I now have a replacement heavy, though! Grenadier, deep pockets, shredder rocket and sprinter. Explosions everywhere!
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Hey guys, if you're stuck not able to get the game to load without crashing at present, just disable the EXE from accessing the internet in your firewall. Seems to do the trick for me. I guess Firaxis are having some manner of server issues. If you just block your EXE you'll still have access to your Steam Cloud saves. Tindahbawx fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Nov 16, 2013 |
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nimby posted:Why do Mechtoids get to shoot twice in a turn? They have Bulletswarm or an Alien version of it.
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Mechtoids would be pretty underwhelming if they couldn't potentially shoot twice. That would mean that even some rookie in carapace could survive getting dinged by one. It's not like they really show up in numbers; I think the most I've ever seen active at once was 4, and that was during the base defense.
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AngryBooch posted:I just got the chance to really dive into Enemy Within today and got a MEC up and running. She is a drat monster but I'm kind of regretting taking Kinetic Strike over flamethrower. I rarely get the chance to use kinetic strike, I thought it would behave something like Run and Gun and I could do it after dashing but I suppose that would be really overpowered. There's nothing wrong with kinetic. Guaranteed 12 damage? I've been punching the poo poo out of chrysalids.
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How do I know if the Clormal mod is working? Everything looks exactly the same as it does on classic... Soldiers cost $15, no free OTS or sattelite. What exactly does the mod change?
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Dumb newbie question! I don't see anything about Enemy Within in the OP; what's the consensus on whether it's worth getting? And hypothetically, if I was a horrible person who was still only a few game months into the vanilla game, would it be worth buying EW and starting over with that content installed?
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Yeah, get it, the new stuff is fun and frankly it's just a lot more playable than the original because it fixes some major bugs and adds some long overdue second wave options. Seriously, the removal of the flank/overwatch exploit completely changed how I played this loving stupid game
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Oh my god. Went into the Newfoundland map with three soldiers and one MEC. The MEC was the only one fast enough to outrun the endless waves of chrysalids and made it to EVAC with one health. Everyone else gave their lives to activate the transponder. Including my best sniper.
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Oh man did the game screwed me out of a terrifying mission. I got the Newfoundland mission so late in the game I absolutely destroyed it. Nothing came close to hurting me. Made it to the evac zone with 4 turns to spare.
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I will say, I feel like letting the first Small Scout pass to get a Large Scout is almost required now. You need SO much loving money in the first couple of months with Laboratories so much more important now, in addition to all the normal priorities like the OTS, alien containment, etc. I'm even thinking you should just sell off any UFO Nav Computers and Power Sources too. There's just so much poo poo you need to build yesterday.Happy Noodle Boy posted:Oh man did the game screwed me out of a terrifying mission. I got the Newfoundland mission so late in the game I absolutely destroyed it. Nothing came close to hurting me. Made it to the evac zone with 4 turns to spare. That mission was SO GOOD. I got it right as I was starting to deploy lasers, so my star Assault and my Support had laser rifles, and then I brought Zhang and a Spanish sniper with the smug as gently caress voicepack. My Assault had Close And Personal, Rapid Fire, and Close Combat Specialist. She was pretty much constantly out of ammo, but she had SUCH a body count. I got out on the last turn with Smug Spaniard wasting a Chryssalid that had cut off my Support with a headshot. I never wanted to understand Spanish more than I did right then. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Nov 16, 2013 |
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Just got a rookie Jean Van Damme. I see great things happening to this guy. (Like getting one-shot by a thin man in the council mission I just got)
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Just ran into my first pair of Mutons on my classic run. I gave one a Kinetic Uppercut and the other I finished off with a Flamethrower to the face. Whoever recommended two MECs, you're awesome. Edit: And I just got the Newfoundland Council Mission. Welp. This is gonna be crazy. Good thing my Assault just learned Close Combat Specialist.
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BenRGamer posted:Just ran into my first pair of Mutons on my classic run. I gave one a Kinetic Uppercut and the other I finished off with a Flamethrower to the face. Be sure to finish the game by punching the uber ethereal into the void outside the throne room. fun fact, he arcs perfectly to just barely clear the railing without breaking it.
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