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Someone asked a couple of pages back how McAuliffe's win will affect his ability to be a DLC bag man. Well:quote:Virginia Gov.-elect Terry McAuliffe is meeting with political friends and foes before officially taking office, including top labor leaders. In my mind there is about a zero percent chance that this meeting wasn't largely about fundraising for Hillary in 2016. As a union thug, I will scream if they jump on board the Hillary train this loving early.
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What's with the several Warren 2016 articles the past few days? I thought she already endorsed Hillary.
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Nov 19, 2013 20:21
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notthegoatseguy posted:What's with the several Warren 2016 articles the past few days? I thought she already endorsed Hillary.
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Nov 19, 2013 20:29
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pangstrom posted:New Republic ran a "Hillary's Nightmare" piece last week and then Politco reacted with a "Wall Street's nightmare" piece the next day and then there were a bunch of other reactions. (I don't think Warren has endorsed Hillary, she's just said she isn't running.) There was the letter about all the women Democratic senators backing Hillary, but that's all I've seen that would indicate that.
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Nov 19, 2013 20:32
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Ronald McReagan posted:Someone asked a couple of pages back how McAuliffe's win will affect his ability to be a DLC bag man. Well: This was definitely not a meeting about Hillary 2016. It is almost 100% that this was a meeting of Thank Yous, giving the Unions a hearing, and hashing out which issues he wants to stick his neck out for them / what is feasible with a Republican Assembly. The Warszawa posted:There was the letter about all the women Democratic senators backing Hillary, but that's all I've seen that would indicate that. Warren herself has said she isn't running and her chief fundraiser from her Senate campaign has said that she told him that she wasn't running.
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Nov 19, 2013 20:59
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I meant re: the Hillary endorsement, not Warren running. I meant to quote the post above the one I actually quoted.
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Nov 19, 2013 21:04
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Yes other than endorsing Hillary that one time she hasn't endorsed Hillary. To be fair it was supposed to be a private letter, like Reid telling Obama to run back in 06, but it's not the kind of thing you do if you're planning on running yourself.
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Nov 19, 2013 21:38
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Rick legitimately cannot handle a race where he's not the major frontrunner/basically unopposed. He hasn't had to work to be governor here in ages, his machine is built around "REMEMBER I'M RICK PERRY AND I'M GOVERNOR WHY CHANGE GOVERNORS WHEN I'M GOVERNOR? GOD!" He legitimately has no clue what to do if there's anyone ahead of him in a race, let alone multiple people and he's pushed to the fringe. In a national race Perry would be stymied by his inability to simply pass out contracts like whipits at an Aggie barn dance.
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Nov 19, 2013 23:23
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SedanChair posted:In a national race Perry would be stymied by his inability to simply pass out contracts like whipits at an Aggie barn dance. Oh yea also this, to buy a presidential election you need national clout to throw around, or massive private interests, Perry wins by throwing his state clout around and sometimes large private interests. To be honest if I had one fly on the wall moment it'd be Rick Perry figuring out that the contract to redo some Texas interstate is actually NOT enough to buy someone's support on the national scene.
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Nov 20, 2013 00:02
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Keep on truckin', Scotty.quote:Warren has spent her first year in the U.S. Senate grandstanding at committee hearings and the Senate floor and blasting out emails of her video performances to supporters and the media. She delivered a speech yesterday in Washington to Americans for Financial Reform - talk about a friendly audience. But where is Warren on the disastrous rollout of the Affordable Care Act? Why isn't she giving more speeches to her constituents on issues like health care? Here's some not-so-friendly advice from the man she defeated, former U.S. Sen. Scott Brown. "She needs to help Massachusetts get out of this Obamacare mess," Brown told the Herald in a text. Yeah, Liz, what are you doing to free Massachusetts of the tyranny of Obamacare and return it to the totally different days of Romneycare? Oh, and he said that while in Iowa. Keep in mind that this means there's probably a parallel universe where the 2016 general election really is going to be between the two of them.
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Nov 21, 2013 03:27
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I also like how reporters are communicating official quotes by text nowadays. I'm sure he sent a follow up text of "Bqwhateve" to clarify his stance on Obamacare.
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Nov 21, 2013 04:09
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Ronald McReagan posted:Someone asked a couple of pages back how McAuliffe's win will affect his ability to be a DLC bag man. Well: Hello fellow union thug! Get ready to start screaming. Either that or they had dinner to talk about the state pension fund.
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Nov 21, 2013 05:02
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Joementum posted:Keep on truckin', Scotty. Wow, the Herald is STILL blowing Scott Brown? Talk about sour grapes. Also, Joe Battenfeld has one of those faces you just want to punch until it isn't a face anymore.
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Nov 21, 2013 05:46
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Guess who thinks the GOP's debate process should change. I'll give you three tries. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-perry-hell-yeah-gop-should-change-presidential-debate-process 
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Nov 21, 2013 14:35
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Sir Tonk posted:Guess who thinks the GOP's debate process should change. I'll give you three tries. Is it Chris Christie? Rand Paul? Is it uhhh...
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dilbertschalter posted:Is it Chris Christie? Rand Paul? Is it uhhh... Gina McCarthy?
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Nov 21, 2013 17:55
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The thing people tend to forget about Perry is that he was already taking a real beating before his three cabinet positions gaffe. It was far from just the debates that killed him.
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Nov 21, 2013 18:30
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Also he got purved on back medicine and pundits are still arguing over whether the resulting speech was more "intoxicated" or "flaming."
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Nov 21, 2013 18:37
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Cliff Racer posted:The thing people tend to forget about Perry is that he was already taking a real beating before his three cabinet positions gaffe. It was far from just the debates that killed him. All the hype about that doofus was just precious though. Not even in hindsight but at the time people even here were warning that he's got some magical political voodoo powers, and turns out nope Texas just prefers to either elect or execute their mentally retarded depending on race, just as many of us had suspected. Reminds me of all the puff pieces on Palin as the great reformer of the endless con game called the Alaska state government that came out right up until we first heard her speak. Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Nov 21, 2013 |
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Nov 21, 2013 18:40
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Ehh, all Perry needed to do to win the primary was to run a competent campaign. Since he was a sitting governor it wasn't too surprising that most of us thought that he was capable of doing that.
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Nov 21, 2013 18:44
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comes along bort posted:All the hype about that doofus was just precious though. Not even in hindsight but at the time people even here were warning that he's got some magical political voodoo powers, and turns out nope Texas just prefers to either elect or execute their mentally retarded depending on race, just as many of us had suspected.
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Nov 21, 2013 18:48
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Cliff Racer posted:Ehh, all Perry needed to do to win the primary was to run a competent campaign. Since he was a sitting governor it wasn't to surprising that most of us thought that he was capable of doing that. If by competent you mean go back in time to 2008 and snatch up all the money and organization people Romney bought out first then yeah, competent. That's the ticket.
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Nov 21, 2013 18:48
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comes along bort posted:If by competent you mean go back in time to 2008 and snatch up all the money and organization people Romney bought out first then yeah, competent. That's the ticket. There are hundreds of races every year, it is impossible for a candidate to monopolize talent. That Perry wasn't able to build something out of the scraps that were left his late campaign does say something, beyond just saying "don't be last." Cliff Racer fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Nov 21, 2013 |
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Nov 21, 2013 19:05
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Actually, the Perry campaign had too much staff talent. They brought in a bunch of DC-based people who feuded with the Texas-based people over who was in charge. Perry would have been better off just leaving everything up to Dave Carney even if he hadn't had that kind of responsibility on a national campaign before.
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Nov 21, 2013 19:26
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As the guiltiest of the "Oh gently caress, Perry" crowd, a lot of out-of-staters really don't understand the amount and influence of the wealth in Texas. California is wealthier and has more clout, but it's more dysfunctional and also more fragmented politically. The homebuilders, oil men, defense contractors and so on will line up. Texas isn't some hee-haw backwater, it's 3-4 of the top 10 largest cities in the country, it's NASA, it's the nation's largest international port, it's the world's largest medical center, it's one of the two most diverse large states in the union. It's easy to hurf durf and pretend you're dealing with Alabama, but unless you're from California you're basically poor little people compared to Texas and your political influence is an afterthought. Perry's problem is that he's a loving idiot. Money can't fix that. As Bush, DeLay, Armey, Gramm and others have proved, you don't need to be popular in NY and CA. My point being, until Texas's minorities take up the mantle, accept responsibility and vote in numbers equivalent to their population percentage, you can expect redneck idiot politicians to be a powerhouse.
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Nov 21, 2013 21:08
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ReindeerF posted:Perry's problem is that he's a loving idiot. Money can't fix that. It certainly helps at the state level.
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Nov 21, 2013 21:26
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For the last couple of cycles the GOP seems to have legitimately forgotten just how smart you have to be to get through a single general debate. Bush might have sounded like Perry but he was pretty drat quick on his feet; I'd rank Bush way above Romney in terms of smarts as well.
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Nov 21, 2013 21:44
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SedanChair posted:For the last couple of cycles the GOP seems to have legitimately forgotten just how smart you have to be to get through a single general debate. Bush might have sounded like Perry but he was pretty drat quick on his feet; I'd rank Bush way above Romney in terms of smarts as well. Look at the old Bush debates from when he was going for governor. He was pretty sharp. Dunno what happened since but pre-TX governor Bush sounded a hell of a lot smarter than candidate Romney or President Bush for that matter. It's like the fucker had a secret head injury or got some kind of brain damage. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/TexasGubernatorialDeba Nuclearmonkee fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Nov 21, 2013 |
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Nov 21, 2013 21:47
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That's just the increased scrutiny of running for president/being president. Plus the narrative that Bush was dumb, which remains a treasured canard to this day. In fact there's no evidence that Obama is any smarter or less prone to gaffes.
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SedanChair posted:For the last couple of cycles the GOP seems to have legitimately forgotten just how smart you have to be to get through a single general debate. Bush might have sounded like Perry but he was pretty drat quick on his feet; I'd rank Bush way above Romney in terms of smarts as well. Stuart Stevens also makes clear in his book The Big Enchilada that the Bush 2000 campaign spent months on debate prep.
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Nov 21, 2013 21:54
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SedanChair posted:That's just the increased scrutiny of running for president/being president. Plus the narrative that Bush was dumb, which remains a treasured canard to this day. In fact there's no evidence that Obama is any smarter or less prone to gaffes. If I remember right, Bush's early experiences in Texas politics burned him badly as he got tarred, rightly, as a silver-spoon New England elitist,* and resolved never to be out-rednecked again. And even though he wasn't quite as dumb as every hack comedian and SNL skit made him out to be, the man clearly didn't have a ton going on upstairs. By his own admission basically skated through college and business school on a gentleman's connection. *Not that there's anything wrong with being a New England elitist, mind 
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Nov 21, 2013 21:58
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Look at the old Bush debates from when he was going for governor. He was pretty sharp. Dunno what happened since but pre-TX governor Bush sounded a hell of a lot smarter than candidate Romney or President Bush for that matter. It's like the fucker had a secret head injury or got some kind of brain damage. I bet the physical demands of a 21st-century presidential campaign are just hell on one's mental faculties. If it's anything like as bad as having a newborn baby...let's just say I would not trust myself to make important decisions in such a state.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:And even though he wasn't quite as dumb as every hack comedian and SNL skit made him out to be, the man clearly didn't have a ton going on upstairs. By his own admission basically skated through college and business school on a gentleman's connection.
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FMguru posted:For some reason, I always got the sense that Dubya was actually pretty bright, but also massively intellectually incurious and seeming to seriously believe that his ability to make decisions from the gut were worth a thousand carefully considered reports from four-eyed poindexters. Lots of potential, but zero effort to develop it. I have a hard time saying he's pretty bright while simultaneously being incredibly intellectually incurious, it smacks a bit of compartmentalization to me. I mean sure, W wasn't actually the drooling troglodyte that I still call him to wind up some of my reactionary relatives, but I think it's largely academic whether or not he had any actual smarts since he clearly chose not to use them, in favor of the gut decision making you reference. Then again, he spent a long time hooked on booze and blow, which a casual stroll through TCC prove can do a hell of a number on your cognitive abilities. Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Nov 21, 2013 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I have a hard time saying he's pretty bright while simultaneously being incredibly intellectually incurious, it smacks a bit of compartmentalization to me. I mean sure, W wasn't actually the drooling troglodyte that I still call him to wind up some of my reactionary relatives, I think it's largely academic whether or not he had any actual smarts since he clearly chose not to use them, in favor of the gut decision making you reference. His dumb seemed like a different kind of dumb than you usually get in dumb politicians. I never got the sense from Palin or Quayle or Bachmann that there was much in the way of unplumbed depths to them. But yeah, in practice he might as well have been the photoshopped chimpanzee image that liberals loved to pass around of him.
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I was pretty proud of him the way he dodged that shoe, you have to admit he was pretty on the ball there. Standing strong for American values while Nouri al-Maliki limp-wristedly swipes at the air.
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Today in ongoing coverage of Joe Biden's existence.quote:Biden quickly announced that the sandwiches — they're called subs, not hoagies, he asserted — originate from Wilmington's Union Street — "where I hang out." Has there ever been someone better suited to their present political station?
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Nov 22, 2013 00:30
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True fact: The Onion has had a reporter embedded with the VP's staff since day one of this administration.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Look at the old Bush debates from when he was going for governor. He was pretty sharp. Dunno what happened since but pre-TX governor Bush sounded a hell of a lot smarter than candidate Romney or President Bush for that matter. It's like the fucker had a secret head injury or got some kind of brain damage. Pretzel-induced hypoxia.
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Joementum posted:Today in ongoing coverage of Joe Biden's existence. If he gets a couple of good photo ops with Phillies (and ex Iowa Cubs) manager Ryne Sandberg, he could give Hillary a serious scare.
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