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sebmojo posted:A dagger does an average of 3 points less than a greatsword. It's not big deal at higher levels. Well, 4.5 less. Also the greatsword gets 150% strength bonus which is probably another 2-3 points in Tarquin's case.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Tarquin wasn't plotting against Malack, he was setting up a 'heads I win, tails you lose' situation of regardless of who won he would be remembered. Either through Malack as a sort of fantasy Kim il-sung posthumous "Eternal General of the Empire" or through tale and song at the hands of his Heroic son. Malack as far as either of them knew would outlive both Tarquin and his son, and his son's son and so on and would continue to rule the empire or its inevitable successor state from the safety within the shadows. Agreed. Tarquin knew he had two kids, he knew Nale was weak, he didn't know exactly how Elan would turn out or if Elan would ever show up. So he planned to bequeath the tri-empire area to Malack to sacrifice to Nergal should the rest of the party live out their days without a hero staging a grand revolt. However, Elan did show up and Tarquin deemed him hero enough to make a better story, but his prior agreement with Malack still held (even if Malack didn't know it was Plan B). After all, if Elan says "screw this" and walks away, another hero will eventually show up because genocide tends to attract unwanted attention. Let's say that Elan did show up, kill his father in the Dramatic Battle of the Century and write songs about it. Well, you'd still have an immortal vampire hanging around waiting for him to die of old age and go right back to business. Nobody expected Malack to die, least of all from Nale and his hired mage. With him out of the question, there is no contingency plan and Elan must be the hero for Daddy to get the resolution he wants.
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Nov 21, 2013 20:56
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Colonel Cool posted:Well, 4.5 less. Also the greatsword gets 150% strength bonus which is probably another 2-3 points in Tarquin's case. Yeah. It's not optimal, but it's also not 'I AM HELPLESS UNTIL I CAN FIND A PROPER WEAPON'. Which isn't something Rich is gonna point out at this stage of the strip, but it is something he'll be aware of. He even made a joke about it in one of the letters column strips way back when.
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Nov 21, 2013 21:13
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Colonel Cool posted:Well, 4.5 less. Also the greatsword gets 150% strength bonus which is probably another 2-3 points in Tarquin's case. It also gets more power attack damage so yeah...
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drat, any time any of you posts D&D rules, I am just reminded how royally screwed martial characters really are.
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Nov 21, 2013 22:06
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I think there if a third son that is a perfect clone of Tarquin. His name is Elanus. Tarquin wanted to be the greatest military mind ever known and find Desert Haven, but his son is going to stop him and destroy the giant Warforged fighter. But Tarquin is a great man. Poor Nale thought he received the weaker genres from his father, but really it was Elan.
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Nov 21, 2013 22:11
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greatn posted:I think there if a third son that is a perfect clone of Tarquin. His name is Elanus. Is this some kind of reference to something.
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Nov 21, 2013 22:21
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sebmojo posted:Is this some kind of reference to something. I THINK it's an MGS joke about Solid/Liquid/Solidus Snake. I think it would mean Nale is Liquid Snake, Elan is Solid Snake, and the third guy is Solidus Snake. No, I doubt context would help make this make sense.
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Nov 21, 2013 22:26
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sebmojo posted:Is this some kind of reference to something. It's a really painful Metal Gear Solid reference.
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Nov 21, 2013 22:28
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e X posted:drat, any time any of you posts D&D rules. I am just reminded how royally screwed martial characters really are. Martial characters are fine, it's just that they're confined to the Book of Nine Swords. Fighters and their lot, meanwhile, are meat walls with pointy sticks.
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Nov 21, 2013 22:30
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sebmojo posted:Is this some kind of reference to something. I think it's an anus joke.
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Nov 21, 2013 23:01
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prefect posted:I think it's an anus joke. :itisananusjoke:
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Nov 21, 2013 23:08
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On paper, Martial Characters Are screwed, yes. But Rich has done a great job showing how casters would develop if they were actual people choosing their paths as they grew and not message board sperg lords planning out every possible action into infinity. It's like the characters are supposed to be people and not optimal builds!
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Nov 21, 2013 23:09
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Cabbit posted:Martial characters are fine, it's just that they're confined to the Book of Nine Swords. Fighters and their lot, meanwhile, are meat walls with pointy sticks.  In all honestly with martial maneuvers they're pretty good.
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Nov 21, 2013 23:12
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So here's a thing: Julio and Tarquin have been rivals for a long time. Julio knows Tarquin's face. He knew exactly who Elan was the second he walked into that tavern. It sorta casts all his actions, including training Elan, in a whole new light.
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Nov 21, 2013 23:15
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CapnAndy posted:So here's a thing: Julio and Tarquin have been rivals for a long time. Julio knows Tarquin's face. It's not a given that Rich knew that at the time... but yeah. That's an interesting point.
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Nov 21, 2013 23:27
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CapnAndy posted:So here's a thing: Julio and Tarquin have been rivals for a long time. Julio knows Tarquin's face. Well spotted. I like it. 
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Nov 21, 2013 23:30
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CapnAndy posted:So here's a thing: Julio and Tarquin have been rivals for a long time. Julio knows Tarquin's face. He knew this day was likely to come. Hence his "Seriously, don't contact me again, I don't want to die" thing.
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Nov 21, 2013 23:35
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ConfusedUs posted:Agreed. When your damage is X + 572, it doesn't matter much if X is 1d4 or 1d12 or whatever. Case in point: I sure hope he rolls a one!
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Nov 21, 2013 23:37
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sebmojo posted:It's not a given that Rich knew that at the time... but yeah. That's an interesting point. Didn't he say that all the major plot points were developed before the 100th strip and that he only improvises the minor details? I would say that Elan's father's arch nemesis was part of the former.
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Nov 21, 2013 23:38
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Mikl posted:Case in point: I sure hope he rolls a one! I like how Belkar is basically saying he sucks to his future self.
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Nov 21, 2013 23:39
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Mikl posted:Case in point: I sure hope he rolls a one! That was exactly the reference I was trying to make, but I got the number wrong. I was pretty close though!
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Nov 21, 2013 23:46
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Niton posted:I like how Belkar is basically saying he sucks to his future self. And he gets that Barbarian level like four strips later.
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Nov 21, 2013 23:50
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Who What Now posted:On paper, Martial Characters Are screwed, yes. But Rich has done a great job showing how casters would develop if they were actual people choosing their paths as they grew and not message board sperg lords planning out every possible action into infinity. That's the other thing too, this is why in fantasy novels having something like a "favorite spell" or what have you, realistically you don't have the time or mental discipline to think of the optimal move; you just gotta fall back on what you comfortably know and can cast without fumbling it, and quickly or die.
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Cliff Racer posted:Perhaps Laurin's request is calling off the plan and just ruling with what they have now, or to release her from the agreement and let her live out the rest of her life with her daughter or some other thing that would jeopardize Tarquin's plans without actually betraying him. Now I want to see Tarquin somehow go bald just so he can properly do the Charlie Brown "AUUUUUGH!" at that moment.
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Nov 22, 2013 02:08
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Zogundar posted:Now I want to see Tarquin somehow go bald just so he can properly do the Charlie Brown "AUUUUUGH!" at that moment. Oh c'mon, as if Scoundrél won't reveal that Tarquin was bald all along by removing his toupee with his sword.
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Nov 22, 2013 02:26
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Blackheart posted:Oh c'mon, as if Scoundrél won't reveal that Tarquin was bald all along by removing his toupee with his sword. "Looks like I'm not the only one getting some use out of a rug."
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Blackheart posted:Oh c'mon, as if Scoundrél won't reveal that Tarquin was bald all along by removing his toupee with his sword. Hahahahaha Yesssss.
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Nov 22, 2013 04:08
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Blackheart posted:Oh c'mon, as if Scoundrél won't reveal that Tarquin was bald all along by removing his toupee with his sword. Much to Haley's dismay.
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Pope Guilty posted:Much to Haley's dismay. Roy: Hey, I think he looks fine like that! Belkar: Yeah what's the problem?
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Durkon: *disappointed sigh*
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Rereading stuffs: I don't get the bit (joke?) with Blackwing on this page http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html . Any help?
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jsoh posted:Rereading stuffs: I don't get the bit (joke?) with Blackwing on this page http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html . Any help? My guess: ginkgo bilboa is purported to be a memory enhancer, and Blackwing keeps getting forgotten.
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Yeah, for awhile blackwing would only pop into existence when V remembered they existed. Which I'm told is semi-common when it comes to familiars
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:My guess: ginkgo bilboa is purported to be a memory enhancer, and Blackwing keeps getting forgotten. Oh, good call. I always just thought it was random monkeycheese.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:My guess: ginkgo bilboa is purported to be a memory enhancer, and Blackwing keeps getting forgotten. One thing that always bugged me: isn't it ginkgo biloba, as in bi-lobed leaves?
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razorrozar posted:One thing that always bugged me: isn't it ginkgo biloba, as in bi-lobed leaves? I blame Rocky Balboa.
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Cat Mattress posted:I blame Rocky Balboa. I blame Bilbo.
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I blame dildos.
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TINA TURNER posted:I blame dildos. That'd work, really. Who could forget the familiar that flies around with dildos?
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