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Terrible Robot posted:I only ever saw the scene where some pilot-mans takes a girl for a joyride in a P-51 (ignoring the fact it only has room for one person, barely) and they even managed to make that part suck poo poo. Ehhhh, of all the awful, awful bullshit in that movie I'm not going to call out fitting two people in a one person cockpit too loudly. There are dozens of well documented instances of pilots of non-jet aircraft in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam landing to pick up downed buddies and flying out with another full grown dude sitting in their lap. I'm also pretty sure a lot of WW2 aircraft had crudely adjustable seats, sitting on a rail similar to how you would adjust non-powered seats in an older car.
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I went and saw it with two other Navy guys in school with me, and their young wives. The guys saw all the cool planes, hot chicks, and explosion shooty stuff. The wives saw men dressed in the same uniforms they sent their husbands off to work in every morning, dying in every imaginable violent manner possible - shot, burned, drowned, impaled, suffocated, shot while drowning, burning and crushed while suffocating etc etc. It made for a rather awkward evening.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Ehhhh, of all the awful, awful bullshit in that movie I'm not going to call out fitting two people in a one person cockpit too loudly. There are dozens of well documented instances of pilots of non-jet aircraft in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam landing to pick up downed buddies and flying out with another full grown dude sitting in their lap. I'm also pretty sure a lot of WW2 aircraft had crudely adjustable seats, sitting on a rail similar to how you would adjust non-powered seats in an older car. I know it was certainly a thing that happened but to be fair in those situations the passenger was also a pilot, probably with training for the exact plane they were picked up in, and could help the actual pilot work around any issues stemming from stuffing two people into a small cockpit. In any case it is far from the worst thing about that movie. It was just the first thing that occurred to my spergy 12 year old brain when I saw it years ago. I'll stop making GBS threads up this excellent thread now.
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FrozenVent posted:That would have left them with like 20 minutes of the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor and 10 minutes of Doolittle raid. Plus some barnyard flying I guess. Like I said, a much better movie. 
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Terrible Robot posted:I only ever saw the scene where some pilot-mans takes a girl for a joyride in a P-51 (ignoring the fact it only has room for one person, barely) and they even managed to make that part suck poo poo. It was a P-40  Chuck Yeager wrote in his autobiography about the time he semi-clandestinely picked up a non-pilot dude from France and flew him back to England in his P-51. Yeager, dude, and a case of champagne all crammed into the cockpit. I remember seeing the movie in theaters and it was really all I could do to keep from saying "oh, come ON" when I heard the girls sitting behind my audibly gasp "he's alive!" when Ben Affleck's character comes back after being shot down with the RAF. For gently caress's sake, the dude is on the loving poster, the movie is called Pearl Harbor and we haven't even gotten there yet. Of loving course he's not dead.
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So how do we feel about Tora! Tora! Tora! at this point? Apart from it adhering to the party line and absolving the emperor of any responsibility, relying too much on Fuchida's self-aggrandized accounts, etc? (It also has a small amount of Doris Miller.)
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Sperglord Actual posted:So how do we feel about Tora! Tora! Tora! at this point? Apart from it adhering to the party line and absolving the emperor of any responsibility, relying too much on Fuchida's self-aggrandized accounts, etc?
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McNally posted:For gently caress's sake, the dude is on the loving poster, the movie is called Pearl Harbor and we haven't even gotten there yet. Of loving course he's not dead. I can only think of two movies that broke that. That dumb rear end movie where Steven Seagal dies in the first few minutes (he's not worth me looking it up) and more brilliantly, Scream Holy loving poo poo Drew Barrymore just got gutted in the first ten minutes!* *Yeah, I'm using spoilers, shoot me.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I can only think of two movies that broke that. That dumb rear end movie where Steven Seagal dies in the first few minutes (he's not worth me looking it up) and more brilliantly, Scream Holy loving poo poo Drew Barrymore just got gutted in the first ten minutes!* Executive Decision. The rumor is that Steven Seagal and Kurt Russell made a bet over something and the loser had to die in the winner's next movie. I've never heard any actual proof for it but I still choose to believe it.
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Sperglord Actual posted:So how do we feel about Tora! Tora! Tora! at this point? Apart from it adhering to the party line and absolving the emperor of any responsibility, relying too much on Fuchida's self-aggrandized accounts, etc? It's sweet. America doesn't need to win at something for me to like it because I'm not some patriotic babby
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Totally TWISTED posted:It's sweet. America doesn't need to win at something for me to like it because I'm not some patriotic babby
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FrozenVent posted:That would have left them with like 20 minutes of the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor and 10 minutes of Doolittle raid. Plus some barnyard flying I guess. Wait people actually watched the whole movie and not just the effect pieces? Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Nov 25, 2013 |
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I slept through most of it to be quite honest. I remember bitching about the scenes involving uh... Some ocean liner or another for some reason (Yeah it made about as much sense in context) then a blank, then the attack on Pearl Harbor, then a blank and they're figuring out a way to get a B-25 off a carrier. Didn't someone's dog survive the bombing? I might be mixing it up with Speed 2.
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FrozenVent posted:I slept through most of it to be quite honest. I remember bitching about the scenes involving uh... Some ocean liner or another for some reason (Yeah it made about as much sense in context) then a blank, then the attack on Pearl Harbor, then a blank and they're figuring out a way to get a B-25 off a carrier. I think you're thinking of "The Final Countdown" 
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Sperglord Actual posted:So how do we feel about Tora! Tora! Tora! at this point? Apart from it adhering to the party line and absolving the emperor of any responsibility, relying too much on Fuchida's self-aggrandized accounts, etc? I think it is a fantastic movie. It's not very reasonable to expect a movie from 1970 to not reflect the narrative of its time as far as the emperor and Yamamoto are concerned. It incorporates a great collection of anecdotes and personal testimony into the plot, and offers a fairly accurate narrative of events as understood in 1970 (for example, no mention of the mini-subs actually making it into the harbor). Vaguely associated: Of course, there were almost no surviving Japanese aircraft at the time of filming (there are several flying now). Instead, they modified T-6 Texans to be Zeros, and BT-13s to be Vals and Kates. You can still many of them flying together at airshows today. I've seen them flying en-masse and even re-creating the scene where the B-17 gets shot up trying to land with the help of someone's B-17.
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priznat posted:I think you're thinking of "The Final Countdown" Yesssssss
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priznat posted:I think you're thinking of "The Final Countdown" The second most  movie ever made, right after Red Dawn.
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gohuskies posted:Executive Decision. The rumor is that Steven Seagal and Kurt Russell made a bet over something and the loser had to die in the winner's next movie. I've never heard any actual proof for it but I still choose to believe it. In Germany they apparently love Steven Seagal, so they advertised the poo poo out of the movie with only Seagal on the posters, despite the fact that yeah, he bits it within 15 minutes. IIRC Halle Berry was in that too.
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movax posted:In Germany they apparently love Steven Seagal, so they advertised the poo poo out of the movie with only Seagal on the posters, despite the fact that yeah, he bits it within 15 minutes. It was the same here in Holland, my dad laughed his rear end off when we went to the cinema see it.
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movax posted:In Germany they apparently love Steven Seagal, so they advertised the poo poo out of the movie with only Seagal on the posters, despite the fact that yeah, he bits it within 15 minutes. Hell, they did that in the US.
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Godholio posted:Hell, they did that in the US. I remember being something like 14 or so when it came out and thinking that it was the biggest load of bullshit ever.
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I thought it'd be funny if there was a short film where it was all Segal plummeting to the ocean and he manages to jerry rig together a chute then he fights some sharks, gets picked up by a freighter, fights some pirates, then gets strolls up to Kurt Russel after he lands the plane and nonchalantly asks "so, how'd it go?" yes I know the plane would get there a lot faster (days/weeks) than the freighter
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Screw all of you Executive Decision was a good movie.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I can only think of two movies that broke that....
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Sperglord Actual posted:So how do we feel about Tora! Tora! Tora! at this point? Apart from it adhering to the party line and absolving the emperor of any responsibility, relying too much on Fuchida's self-aggrandized accounts, etc? It's been many years since I watched it but as far I can recall I thought it was a great movie. I remember really liking the lack of a shoehorned-in love story, the actual Japanese actors that spoke Japanese, and the fact that it was told from the Japanese perspective.
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TheFluff posted:It's been many years since I watched it but as far I can recall I thought it was a great movie. I remember really liking the lack of a shoehorned-in love story, the actual Japanese actors that spoke Japanese, and the fact that it was told from the Japanese perspective. This. For its time it was a very even-handed film. It didn't portray the Japanese as bucked-tooth caricatures. I honestly think that it's one of the better WW2 movies out there.
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Remulak posted:You forgot the most famous one! Psycho. Yes, I spoilered that. Jesus, yeah, glaring omission on my part. I wish that movie hadn't been a historic icon by the time I saw it. Would have been nice to not know both of the shockers.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I remember being something like 14 or so when it came out and thinking that it was the biggest load of bullshit ever.
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grover posted:I remember thinking that, too. Not so much about Seagal dying, but the whole loving F-117 thing. Hey, who would have thought that the docking sleeve thing couldn't bear that load?
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grover posted:Not so much about Seagal dying, but the whole loving F-117 thing. I thought you had more faith in ridiculous aircraft capabilities.
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Planes. A-10s to be upgraded and extended, letting them fly for a long time to come.    Neptune is angry. 
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That cat officer hosed up on his timing, there... Is the A-10 porn related to any news announcement? I know upgraded engines were originally on deck for the Charlie upgrade, and got axed. Last I heard, the USAF was dangling retirement to get Congress to send LockMart more dump trucks full of money.
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MrYenko posted:That cat officer hosed up on his timing, there... This was all I could find, plus some congressfolks have introduced a bill to require keeping the A-10 until there are enough F-35s to replace them. e: the bill is an amendment to the 2014 National Defense Authorization Act: [quote] SEC. 135. LIMITATION ON RETIREMENT OF A-10 AIRCRAFT. (a) Limitation.--None of the funds authorized to be appropriated or otherwise made available for the Department of Defense may be obligated or expended to retire, prepare to retire, or place in storage any A-10 aircraft until each of the following: (1) The Secretary of the Air Force certifies to the congressional defense committees each of the following: (A) That the F-35A aircraft has achieved full operational capability. (B) That the F-35A aircraft has achieved Block 4A capabilities, including-- (i) an enhanced electronic warfare capability that will allow the F-35A aircraft to counter emerging threats in a close air support (CAS) environment; and (ii) a GBU-53 Small Diameter Bomb version II or equivalent weapon operational capability. (C) That a number of F-35A aircraft exists in the Air Force inventory in sufficient quantity to replace the A-10 aircraft being retired in order to meet close air support capability requirements of the combatant commands. (2) The Comptroller General of the United States submits to the congressional defense committees a report setting forth the following: (A) An assessment whether each certification under paragraph (1) is comprehensive, fully supported, and sufficiently detailed. (B) An identification of any shortcomings, limitations, or other reportable matters that affect the quality or findings of any certification under paragraph (1). (b) Deadline for Submittal of Comptroller General Report.-- The report of the Comptroller General under paragraph (2) of subsection (a) shall be submitted not later than 90 days after the date of the submittal of the certification referred to in paragraph (1) of that subsection. [quote] joat mon fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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joat mon posted:This was all I could find, plus some congressfolks have introduced a bill to require keeping the A-10 until there are enough F-35s to replace them. So forever.
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joat mon posted:This was all I could find, plus some congressfolks have introduced a bill to require keeping the A-10 until there are enough F-35s to replace them. That's like keeping all four of the Iowas in commission until we built enough Jet Skis to overwhelm Switzerland's coastal defenses.
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MrYenko posted:Is the A-10 porn related to any news announcement? I know upgraded engines were originally on deck for the Charlie upgrade, and got axed. Last I heard, the USAF was dangling retirement to get Congress to send LockMart more dump trucks full of money. http://theaviationist.com/2013/11/27/a-10-retirement/
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MrYenko posted:That's like keeping all four of the Iowas in commission until we built enough Jet Skis to overwhelm Switzerland's coastal defenses. Unlike the Iowa the A-10 does not explode and kill a large component of the crew.
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joat mon posted:some congressfolks have introduced a bill to require keeping the A-10 until there are enough F-35s to replace them. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Smiling Jack posted:Unlike the Iowa the A-10 does not explode and kill a large component of the crew. I daresay an A-10 exploding would kill 100% of its crew.
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ArchangeI posted:I daresay an A-10 exploding would kill 100% of its crew. Yeah but it doesn't randomly explode when you try to fire the main gun.
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