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MrAristocrates posted:Is it even finished? It is. I kept playing it, because I am a masochist, and other game features include: A boss you have to kill solely by using the protagonist's randomized damage spell Dream sequences that remove all your party members, but which can happen before you get access to reorganizing your party The guardian of the church of women is a man, and you recruit him, and then he can't go inside the church because he's a man Every time you use the outfit changing "feature" your characters' skills get added to their skill list again, so the swordsman has several identical abilities repeated down his skill list. It might be the worst, and most baffling, RPG Maker game I've ever seen, because there's so much misplaced effort put into it and also because it's loving terrible. E: 
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Nov 25, 2013 04:12
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crowfeathers posted:It might be the worst, and most baffling, RPG Maker game I've ever seen, because there's so much misplaced effort put into it and also because it's loving terrible. crowfeathers posted:so much crowfeathers posted:effort
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Nov 25, 2013 06:53
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Ahahahahaha, effort is goddamn anathema to Tropers and this game is a drop in the bucket of evidence for that. It must've taken some minimum of effort to write, surely. This game needs to be documented in its entirety. vvv Do you seriously think that's not innuendo, as far as the author's concerned? brocretin fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Nov 25, 2013 |
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Nov 25, 2013 07:03
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Jesus, the lines in this game would be less creepy as sexual innuendo. Or as threats of murder. Basically, anything but what they are now.
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Nov 25, 2013 07:06
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The sprite in that pic being pretty much just Cloud makes me wonder if this guy made this thinking, "What if I made an entire game out of that weird Don Corneo sequence in FFVII?"
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Nov 25, 2013 07:13
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MrAristocrates posted:The sprite in that pic being pretty much just Cloud makes me wonder if this guy made this thinking, "What if I made an entire game out of that weird Don Corneo sequence in FFVII?" Djeser posted:Much of the game is humor based on ShoutOuts to other concepts. For instance, Nevras looks a bit like a Cloud Expy. Guess how he plans to sneak into Delphi's all-female temple? [in reference to the FF7 crossdressing segment]
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Nov 25, 2013 07:22
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brocretin posted:It must've taken some minimum of effort to write, surely. Not really. A Troper writing is like a Tea Partier debating. They have a bunch of bullet points that they can ape and kind of rearrange. But asking for creative leaps or logical progression causes the whole thing to break down.
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Nov 25, 2013 07:36
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Totally missed that. Also, gently caress troper "humor."
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Nov 25, 2013 07:36
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Ahahahahaha, effort is goddamn anathema to Tropers and this game is a drop in the bucket of evidence for that. No, you don't understand. I've dabbled in rpgmaker before, and I can tell you there's a fair amount of genuine effort put into the custom systems and how time works and stuff like that in the game -- but it's all in service of a game where Cloud Strife dresses up like an anime maid and helps save taoism for the Triforce  E: I should explain further. The developer used a third-party scripting hack to implement all sorts of weird things into RPG Maker 2000, including his own (incredibly broken and terrible) custom save screen -- which is actually worse than the default one because it doesn't display whether or not you've saved to a file before, making saving/loading a case of trial and error. Similarly, lots of the attacks and skills use randomization in their effect, or have an external item cost, both of which the version of RPG Maker he used does not support; he had to code those as well using scripting. That horrible voice-over being cued to parts of the dialog (which is what made the intro so completely stupid) also would have required external scripting hacks. But then all the sprites are stolen, including a couple actually taken from DOS-era Ultima games, and the music is midi covers of The Eagles. It's loving baffling. corn in the bible fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Nov 25, 2013 |
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Nov 25, 2013 07:51
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Putting that much effort into hacking RPGMaker instead of just learning a real programming language is pretty much the most tropery thing ever.
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Nov 25, 2013 11:44
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ThirdEmperor posted:Someone needs to do a full Let's Play of this brocretin posted:This game needs to be documented in its entirety. I agree with these guys. This needs its own LP. The more you explain it, the more I need to see it played (by somebody who isn't me)
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Nov 25, 2013 13:16
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What is up with the bizarre synching between the voice acting and the text? Like, how can you go through the effort of hacking in your own voices into RPG maker, watch the voices end before the subtitles even appear on the screen, and go, "Nah, thats good." Also, you just know that he thinks that joke at the end of the video about fighting rats again is the funniest thing ever and is listed as a double Subverted Lampshade Hanging Self Aware Deadpan Snarker on its TVTropes page.
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Nov 25, 2013 13:31
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The Leper Colon V posted:Jesus, the lines in this game would be less creepy as sexual innuendo. Or as threats of murder. http://bit.ly/1iKfMIw
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Nov 25, 2013 14:26
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I think expecting this guy to have enough self-awareness to make that joke (and then not herald it far and wide a double triple unsubversion shout out) is a bit much.
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Nov 25, 2013 14:44
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Ball's in your court crowfeathers, either LP it or pass the "fixed" file onto someone who will. (not me though. I have no idea how to VLP, so unless you want a SSLP where you miss all the voices and stolen music etc...)
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Nov 25, 2013 16:39
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It takes a tough man to make a tender chicken EDIT: Beaten, but oh well.
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Nov 25, 2013 17:46
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Bah. You fools simply can't see the true genius of the work! It's not a ridiculous amount of effort put into a bad RPGmaker game, no, it's a brilliant double subversion of the lovely RPGMaker Game trope!
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Nov 25, 2013 19:29
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Namtab posted:Ball's in your court crowfeathers, either LP it or pass the "fixed" file onto someone who will. I would legitimately Let's Play it if I wasn't already playing a different game for the internet. So here is the fixed version of the game. I combined the two mirrors of the game together to create one that actually worked. Enjoy.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:35
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crowfeathers posted:I would legitimately Let's Play it if I wasn't already playing a different game for the internet. I've played a smidgen of the game, and am claiming it for my first LP.
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Nov 25, 2013 23:16
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In almost-Troper news, The F Plus came out with a NaNoWriMo podcast episode where they read forum posts by members of the NaNoWriMo forums. In Troper news, due to getting a whopping one entries in the TvTropes Writing Contest, they've extended the deadline, so I've still got that to Twentington, blue-balled Troper author extraordinare, continues to be unable to write a single thing. quote:I think part of what is getting to me is handling the mundanities. Not every moment in the life of a businesswoman, mail carrier, sporting goods store owner, or male escort is going to be entertaining, I get that. But… TvTropes Pleads the Fifth: That part's boring, skip to the part where everyone has sex
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Nov 26, 2013 01:04
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Djeser posted:TvTropes Pleads the Fifth: That part's boring, skip to the part where everyone has sex You cannot write this poo poo and expect to ever write something worth reading. If you can't find what's interesting in people living their lives, doing their jobs, then how the hell can you write something that speaks to the human condition? Why would you even want to write?
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Nov 26, 2013 03:01
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DStecks posted:If you can't find what's interesting in people living their lives, doing their jobs, then how the hell can you write something that speaks to the human condition? Well that's just it. Tropers don't care about what's real and human, because they're obsessed with anime and video games.
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Nov 26, 2013 03:04
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DStecks posted:You cannot write this poo poo and expect to ever write something worth reading. If you can't find what's interesting in people living their lives, doing their jobs, then how the hell can you write something that speaks to the human condition? Why would you even want to write? Because they want to be writers SO BAD. Or more specifically, they want the status that comes with being a writer. To be empathized with and to have their crippling limitations accepted and perhaps even celebrated as part of a larger picture. They spent lifetimes thinking about how cool their project will be but they don't want to take that risk of doing something real or going through the work or actually structuring a story, editing it, showing it to someone, editing it, rereading, editing, editing twelve more times with some readings in there, etc. I write a little, and the first few times I went up to read short stories and poems it was completely terrifying. I had to get the cadence right, I had to deliver it clearly, and most importantly I had to face and overcome the fear that my stuff might be terrible(most of my stuff is terrible). But that's what art is. You put yourself out there and let people see you completely vulnerable. And if you've done your job right they'll recognize a bit of themselves in your work and it'll resonate. That's the payoff. It's not book deals or movie contracts. It's not a billion upvotes from a circlejerk of a website. It's touching other people by presenting yourself without the armor that we walk around with in our day to day lives. And you can't do that with a waifu.
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Nov 26, 2013 04:06
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I've written some long, probably very dull papers over the years, and people often think it's an easy thing to do because really you just read some things and write them down. But if you talk about all the stuff you have to actually do to get a project from idea to completion it's... not so simple. I never write fiction but I expect it's similar -- it's easy to have an idea and hard to tell whether it's a good one, or how to develop it, or whether to just give it up and do something else.
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Nov 26, 2013 04:26
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Most people who want to be a writer more than they want to write (e.g. me, sometimes) move on and do something else. It's really pitiful that anyone could throw out so much descriptive crap about a story which only exists in the Platonic ether and never, ever actually try to bring it to life. Apologies if this showed up already, all the  tends to blur together eventually  .From the Rape Is A Special Kind of Evil Discussion! quote:Considering the varying opinions on Dominic Deegan, would it be all right for me to add an entry on how the webcomic averted this trope by the instance of how the character Stonewater raped Melna when they were adolescents to save her life (explained a bit more under the webcomics section of Rape Is Love), and is not considered an irredeemable villian by the narrative? And a conversation down the page. OOZE posted:Does anyone think that this page is starting to get a sort of creepy, Unfortunate Implications feel to it? joeyjojo posted:how so? OOZE posted:It seems like the page is implying that rape is perfectly harmless and thinking otherwise makes you a dinosaur. joeyjojo posted:it's not than 'Rape Is Like Saying Hello' but rather the double standard it's gets. in fiction characters can do all sort of crimes such as cold blooded murder or torture and still be treated sympathetic. but when they commit rape things are treated seriously. 'cause that's really bad The act of rape is itself a victim of a double standard  .
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Nov 26, 2013 04:48
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To anyone who is fortunate enough to have never read Dominic Deegan: The only reason the rape victim and her friend were angry at her rapist was literally because of demonic influence. The victim also falls in love with her rapist because he reminds her of her father. The main female character responds to the victim admitting that by making an incest rape joke to a rape victim.
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Nov 26, 2013 04:55
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The "writer" also explicitly stated that his goal was to write a "sexy rapist" character. Because murderers and thieves can be sexy, why not rapists? 
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Nov 26, 2013 04:57
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Zerilan posted:To anyone who is fortunate enough to have never read Dominic Deegan: The only reason the rape victim and her friend were angry at her rapist was literally because of demonic influence. The victim also falls in love with her rapist because he reminds her of her father. The main female character responds to the victim admitting that by making an incest rape joke to a rape victim. Mookie also kept trying to "fix" his horrible writing decisions by justifying his characters' actions, which made him look even worse. I liked the character who cheated on her boyfriend and therefore had to be cast out of society and shamed for literally a decade of the comic's run before anyone forgave her.
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Nov 26, 2013 05:00
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In that sense, Mookie was a troper before TVTropes existed.
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Nov 26, 2013 05:02
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Razorwired posted:Because they want to be writers SO BAD. This is the truth. I won the fiction portion of a creative writing contest at my university with a piece that I did in an advanced fiction workshop. The class was taught by Brad Watson. I don't think I'd have won a measly little undergrad contest that awarded me $100, a personal gift from the English department (a collection of Flannery O'Connor stories with a personal congratulations written inside the cover from the head of the English department), and a public reading without that man's guidance and direction. Being a student in Brad Watson's class is the reason I was able to put together a 15-page short story about a couple of con artists, cleaned it up after my assigned workshop date for that story, turned in the revision for my final assignment, submitted it for the contest, met with the grad student that was handling the fiction entries, trimmed it down and fine tuned it even more to fit reading the whole thing at the reading in a reasonable time, and going back and forth with her about my introduction and making it a better piece and tightening it up even more for reading. And the best thing I got told about my story during editing was that among all the other entries, mine was the only one longer than five pages and looked like something someone would be working on to try and get published in a literary journal. It was not at all easy. It took time thinking about it, outlining it, and reading it and re-reading it just to get a decent grade in the class. And I will stress again I would not have done it without Watson's tutelage and direction and listening to the other faculty and writers-in-residence that came into the class and talked about publishing and craftsmanship. These tropers don't know a god drat thing of what they're doing or anything outside their niches and anime circle jerks to even think about craftsmanship and artistry. gently caress these people.
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Nov 26, 2013 05:05
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Razorwired posted:Because they want to be writers SO BAD. I think you've hit the nail on the head. It comes back, in a way, to all of their "True Art is [Something Derogatory]" pages: they have an absolute disdain for calling things art or non-art, and I think it comes from them having no comprehension of what it is, due to never having been actually exposed to any. Look at the media they latch onto, and why they like it. They don't find media engaging because it says something about life, they like it because they're stuck at the little kid stage of "Robot man goes BOOM!" Not that there's anything wrong with dumb fun media that means nothing (I loving love Pacific Rim), but tropers seem genuinely distrustful of media that aspires to be anything more. I think this was also the root of the issue of why they had so much difficulty removing the pedoshit: they genuinely can't distinguish between porn and art, or refuse to. Perhaps it's because they find real artistic works too challenging, but don't want to admit that all the media they consume is disposable spectacle.
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Nov 26, 2013 07:20
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DStecks posted:Not that there's anything wrong with dumb fun media that means nothing (I loving love Pacific Rim), but tropers seem genuinely distrustful of media that aspires to be anything more. I think this was also the root of the issue of why they had so much difficulty removing the pedoshit: they genuinely can't distinguish between porn and art, or refuse to. Perhaps it's because they find real artistic works too challenging, but don't want to admit that all the media they consume is disposable spectacle. A fella by the name of Don Marquis said it best: "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you actually make them think, they'll hate you."
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Nov 26, 2013 08:23
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Maple Leaf posted:A fella by the name of Don Marquis said it best: "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you actually make them think, they'll hate you." I thought that was a line from Fahrenheit 451. It sounds like something Beatty would say to Montag during the part where Montag is too sick to go in to work and Beatty gives that speech about how and why books fell out of favor.
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Nov 26, 2013 09:18
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DStecks posted:I think you've hit the nail on the head. You've obviously never read this It's not porn if it has a story!  Djeser quoting someone else...I hope posted:I think part of what is getting to me is handling the mundanities. Not every moment in the life of a businesswoman, mail carrier, sporting goods store owner, or male escort is going to be entertaining, I get that. But… What kind of dead end job does this guy have that he can't write something interesting about the common workplace? He obviously not the manager at the best Gamestop unlike that other troper.
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Nov 26, 2013 09:26
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I can't help being reminded of that one bit in Adaptation, where the guy is giving a lecture to film students or something (?) and goes, "Nothing interesting happens in real life? Are you out of your loving mind?"
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Nov 26, 2013 11:58
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Flesnolk posted:I can't help being reminded of that one bit in Adaptation, where the guy is giving a lecture to film students or something (?) and goes, "Nothing interesting happens in real life? Are you out of your loving mind?" Psychoanalysis poo poo to one side, remember a lot of tropers really are just kids, or at least new to writing and thinking about writing. Getting the nitty-gritty non-sexy bits right is a problem for loads of writers and I feel sorry for that Twentington guy because a half-decent community would have so much advice for him: they'd tell him to loving make it interesting, give him examples (remember how you nodded off through the 'boring' bits about the protagonist's mundane office job in Fight Club? No? They were awesome? But...but how?) or at least tell him to stop trying to write poo poo he doesn't care about. To be fair, they try, but... Various tropers posted:Do you research and talk to people and you'll find something interesting, at least about the person if not their jobs. Maybe your mail carrier is also a war veteran and likes the relatively boring routine. ...ehhhhh.  Twentington's troper page posted:Pages created:
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Nov 26, 2013 12:57
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quote:America's Funniest Home Videos There are tropes in these? What the hell? quote:Double Standard: There have been dozens of video clips involving a mother secretly recording her teenage son showering to embarrass him, all of which have aired. When one father sent in a clip of him secretly recording his teenage daughter showering, the clip never aired and the producers accused him of being a pervert. Sigh ... quote:Early-Installment Weirdness: In the special that began the series, Saget had a co-host, Kellie Martin, who at the time was playing Becca Thatcher on Life Goes On. Whoa they had a co-host that was an attractive young woman currently starring on a popular show? SO WEIRD! quote:Getting Crap Past the Radar: ... Not to mention one episode featured a clip of a preadolescent girl accidentally flashing the camera and being completely uncensored. If a video has the risk of getting you arrested if it's on your computer, odds are it probably shouldn't be aired on national television. Of course. And many more things that are just ... common features of television shows. They are really stretching the definition of trope, here. Not that this is news. The overall question being ... who the gently caress cares? Anything actually interesting in this article could easily be part of a normal Wikipedia article (and probably is) without losing any of the meaning or information conveyed by labeling it with "tropes."
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Nov 26, 2013 23:22
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Lowly posted:Whoa they had a co-host that was an attractive young woman currently starring on a popular show? SO WEIRD! Early Installment Weirdness just means that the early episodes have a substantial difference from the rhythm the show would grow into. Walter White having hair for the first couple episodes of Breaking Bad, for example.
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DStecks posted:Early Installment Weirdness just means that the early episodes have a substantial difference from the rhythm the show would grow into. Walter White having hair for the first couple episodes of Breaking Bad, for example. That's not really a substantial difference, though. That's more the side-effects of chemotherapy. So really it fits in perfectly well with the tone of the show, especially as the loss of the hair is part of the start of the transformation from regular high school science teacher into remorseless monster. A better example might be the first season of Parks & Rec, as compared to every other season.
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