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Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003




The Apple Store listing still says it is $49. It says $79 for the iPhone plan.

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eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber

WithoutTheFezOn posted:

Isn't it $90 now?

I was talking about the per-incident fee for accidental damage replacement, which still looks to be $49

http://store.apple.com/us/product/S4689LL/A/applecare-for-ipad

No. 6
Jun 30, 2002

What the gently caress is the point of Apple care then? Already you can pay like $200 for an out-of-warrenty replacement if the need arises, so why spend $100 up front only to have to pay $50 later? You're at best $50 in the black and very easily $100 in the red.

DarkJC
Jul 6, 2010
You can get a replacement more than once. iPhones actually cost more than $200 to replace out of warranty now too – I don't know if that's been changed for iPads though.

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber
You get two accidental damages at $50 each, but basically unlimited hardware failure swaps for free within 2 years.

If the home button dies in your 11th month of ownership, AppleCare pays for itself.

No. 6
Jun 30, 2002

Oh yes, America where there is no 2 year warranty by default.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

There's quite a few $10 full case covers for the air already on Amazon. Is anybody using any of them, and if so are you happy?

Nuntius
May 7, 2004

(not a fag)

No. 6 posted:

Oh yes, America where there is no 2 year warranty by default.

Apple doesn't respect international laws on minimum warranties anyway. I know they've been in trouble in Italy for it, and in the UK if you try an assert your rights under the sale of goods act they escort you out the store. Literally.

DarkJC
Jul 6, 2010
I don't know anything about people being escorted out of stores in the UK, but the ruling in Italy was because they didn't clearly differentiate between the government mandated 2 year warranty vs. the warranty provided by buying Applecare in their marketing materials and when trying to make Applecare sales, not because they refused to provide service.

Cranbe
Dec 9, 2012
I'm looking at getting either the Air or Retina Mini. Playing around with them in the store today, I like the Retina Mini more in terms of weight (and price), but I'm wondering if the extra size will be worth it if I plan to do much handwriting/note-taking. Can anybody who does a fair amount of handwriting on their iPad / Mini weigh in on whether the extra screen size is necessary? Maybe it's something that can be mitigated with a good stylus?

f1av0r
Jan 13, 2008
Anyone else looking to pick up an air during the Black Friday sales? I was hoping Amazon would drop their price, but I think that's wishful thinking.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
Does Amaazon even sell them? I know they have re-sellers that do. Wal-mart, Target, and all the other retailers seem to have a discount or gift card tossed in. Apple may also have some sort of Black Friday deal.

Dr. Video Games 0050
Nov 28, 2007

Nuntius posted:

Apple doesn't respect international laws on minimum warranties anyway. I know they've been in trouble in Italy for it, and in the UK if you try an assert your rights under the sale of goods act they escort you out the store. Literally.

Any proof of this? I seriously doubt they escort you out of the store unless you deserve it. Sounds very made up.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:

Any proof of this? I seriously doubt they escort you out of the store unless you deserve it. Sounds very made up.
I've heard similar stories from goons (not sure if they're first-hand) of stores refusing to help you as soon as you bring up "Lemon Law." They'll basically direct you to Apple legal and tell you to have a nice day.

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.
Once you threaten any sort of legal action, Apple Retail folks are under orders to shut down, refer you to the lawyers, and offer no further assistance. You wouldn't be escorted out unless your reaction to being referred to a lawyer after threatening a lawsuit is to throw a loud tantrum.

f1av0r
Jan 13, 2008

Bung Harmer posted:

Does Amaazon even sell them? I know they have re-sellers that do. Wal-mart, Target, and all the other retailers seem to have a discount or gift card tossed in. Apple may also have some sort of Black Friday deal.

That sucks. I have credit with them

Dr. Video Games 0050
Nov 28, 2007

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

I've heard similar stories from goons (not sure if they're first-hand) of stores refusing to help you as soon as you bring up "Lemon Law." They'll basically direct you to Apple legal and tell you to have a nice day.

What I'm saying is that they're not going to throw you out / escort you out of the store, if this is even true. I'd love to see proof.

japtor
Oct 28, 2005

Cranbe posted:

I'm looking at getting either the Air or Retina Mini. Playing around with them in the store today, I like the Retina Mini more in terms of weight (and price), but I'm wondering if the extra size will be worth it if I plan to do much handwriting/note-taking. Can anybody who does a fair amount of handwriting on their iPad / Mini weigh in on whether the extra screen size is necessary? Maybe it's something that can be mitigated with a good stylus?
All styluses have issues, but the the apps themselves mitigate that to an extent. Most have a zoomed in mode and if you're using that I don't think the screen size matters as much. Another issue is palm rejection, I've never had good luck with it myself, but the iPad mini might be easier to avoid touching with your palm just cause there's less screen there (I just use a glove with some fingers cut out and don't need to think about accidental touches).

If you plan to type on it as well though, the big iPad will be worlds better for touch typing. Granted you can just pick up whatever Bluetooth keyboard instead.

Feenix
Mar 14, 2003
Sorry, guy.

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

I've heard similar stories from goons (not sure if they're first-hand) of stores refusing to help you as soon as you bring up "Lemon Law." They'll basically direct you to Apple legal and tell you to have a nice day.

Well I'm not at all claiming that being told to piss off is a fair practice here, but I mean, on *some* level, if you have your bosses telling you do ONE thing, and an angry customer claiming "the law says you have to etc etc etc..." I can certainly see why Retail Jockeys (and Store managers, even) would want to make it their superior's problem, and not be stuck in a hard judgement call.

Speaking of Lemon Laws, funnily enough, I feel like my experiences in the Apple Store have been quite good when it came to owning up, doing right by, and generally making judgement calls.

I bought a 2007 iMac on Craigslist for a good price. Had a bit of cosmetic damage on the aluminum. Very tiny nick. Anyway, it had display problems. It was still registered and under warranty, so I took it in. They replaced a tiny piece. And told me "hey, it looks like someone was tinkering in here, and the fastener for this dealie over here is broke clean off. But we think we fixed it, so.. here you go."

The issue remained, and I went back. They replaced about 1200 dollars worth of parts according to their invoice. EVERYTHING was new inside. EVERYTHING. They handed me the Mac. Never charging me a penny.

The issue persisted. They said the last thing it could be was the logic board or some poo poo. I came back. After the guy went in back and had me waiting for 10 min, he came out with their lowest model 21 inch iMac (2011) which was leaps better than my 2007 model (btw which was only 20 inch...). He said they marked my other one up as a lemon. The thing was still in a box. Mouse, Keyboard, the whole shebang.

100% free.

obi_ant
Apr 8, 2005

Feenix posted:

Well I'm not at all claiming that being told to piss off is a fair practice here, but I mean, on *some* level, if you have your bosses telling you do ONE thing, and an angry customer claiming "the law says you have to etc etc etc..." I can certainly see why Retail Jockeys (and Store managers, even) would want to make it their superior's problem, and not be stuck in a hard judgement call.

Speaking of Lemon Laws, funnily enough, I feel like my experiences in the Apple Store have been quite good when it came to owning up, doing right by, and generally making judgement calls.

I bought a 2007 iMac on Craigslist for a good price. Had a bit of cosmetic damage on the aluminum. Very tiny nick. Anyway, it had display problems. It was still registered and under warranty, so I took it in. They replaced a tiny piece. And told me "hey, it looks like someone was tinkering in here, and the fastener for this dealie over here is broke clean off. But we think we fixed it, so.. here you go."

The issue remained, and I went back. They replaced about 1200 dollars worth of parts according to their invoice. EVERYTHING was new inside. EVERYTHING. They handed me the Mac. Never charging me a penny.

The issue persisted. They said the last thing it could be was the logic board or some poo poo. I came back. After the guy went in back and had me waiting for 10 min, he came out with their lowest model 21 inch iMac (2011) which was leaps better than my 2007 model (btw which was only 20 inch...). He said they marked my other one up as a lemon. The thing was still in a box. Mouse, Keyboard, the whole shebang.

100% free.

Assuming 2011 is when you purchased the 2007 iMac, they still service their units after 4 year of "ownership"? You lucked out big time. I can tell you that this is *not* the normal procedure. I have friends that work at Apple and I'm pretty confident that once you're outside their manufacturer warranty (typically 1 year parts + labor) they charge for all the parts and labor.

I had a 2010 iMac and the logic board was decided to stop working. Brought the unit into an Apple store around 2012 and they gave me a quote of $450ish to fix the unit.

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

obi_ant posted:

Assuming 2011 is when you purchased the 2007 iMac, they still service their units after 4 year of "ownership"? You lucked out big time. I can tell you that this is *not* the normal procedure. I have friends that work at Apple and I'm pretty confident that once you're outside their manufacturer warranty (typically 1 year parts + labor) they charge for all the parts and labor.

I had a 2010 iMac and the logic board was decided to stop working. Brought the unit into an Apple store around 2012 and they gave me a quote of $450ish to fix the unit.

Probably a 2007 iMac purchased in 2008 and in its final months of AppleCare.

Feenix
Mar 14, 2003
Sorry, guy.
Oh yeah I think I extended the AppleCare a year while it was still in its first year.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Fry's is doing a $100 gift card with any iPad Air purchase right now.

http://www.frys.com/ads/page42

Economic Sinkhole
Mar 14, 2002
Pillbug
It sounds like you got some great service. I had the opposite experience at the iPhone 5 launch. My brand new 5 would not connect the internet on wifi at work or at home so I took it in. I had actually taken screenshots from a traceroute app that showed 95%+ packet loss on the 5 and 0% loss on my old 4s. The guy at the store basically told me that the first step was to restore and set up as new, and that I could hang around the store while they did that or I could go home and do it(I lived 5 minutes from there). So I went home and did it, and the issue persisted.

Back at the Apple store, the next guy gave me a raft of poo poo about the fact that it was brand new, and that it worked in the store just fine. Which it did, frustratingly. He even got his manager involved and the two of them grilled me for several minutes until they finally decided to replace the phone at my insistence. The 'genius' even said to me "What are you going to do when I replace this phone and it still doesn't work on your (my) wifi at home?" I said "I'll bring it back for another one." (My theory was that the g-band radio wasn't working and the store had n-band or whatever.)

It was a very strange experience. The phone was literally 24 hours old and had just launched. I can't figure out why they ran my through the ringer- what kind of scam could I have been trying to pull? The whole thing left a very sour taste in my mouth, especially since I've had basically every iPhone serviced at some point and always has fast and friendly service until then.

Jet Ready Go
Nov 3, 2005

I thought I didn't qualify. I was considered, what was it... volatile, self-centered, and I don't play well with others.
I'm not defending them but I bet they get a lot of people who don't know how to set up wifi at home and you are the 1 in 1000 that had legit problems and they've never seen it before and they were used to be right.

It's annoying they have you a hard time especially since you had pretty convincing proof.

DarkJC
Jul 6, 2010
Yeah, no excuses, that's terrible service. Usually on release day they will swap it out no questions asked, especially since you're in the return period. Can't win them all. I can't even imagine how many people go to them saying their phone doesn't work when it's a problem with their home wifi though.

Cranbe
Dec 9, 2012

japtor posted:

All styluses have issues, but the the apps themselves mitigate that to an extent. Most have a zoomed in mode and if you're using that I don't think the screen size matters as much. Another issue is palm rejection, I've never had good luck with it myself, but the iPad mini might be easier to avoid touching with your palm just cause there's less screen there (I just use a glove with some fingers cut out and don't need to think about accidental touches).

If you plan to type on it as well though, the big iPad will be worlds better for touch typing. Granted you can just pick up whatever Bluetooth keyboard instead.
Thanks for the advice. I ended up going with the Air, since my buddy works for Apple and got me a 15% discount, which he couldn't do for the Mini Retina yet. Couldn't pass up a discount of over $100 on what was essentially a tossup between the two models anyway.

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber
Turns out Discover has a 90 day price protection guarantee that doesn't exclude Black Friday prices.

Best buy is advertising $60 off the 32gb wifi Air and the Discover rep sees no reason why they wouldn't mail me a refund for the difference on my release-day purchase.

eddiewalker fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Nov 26, 2013

Nihiliste
Oct 23, 2005
The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.

eddiewalker posted:

Turns out Discover has a 90 day price protection guarantee that doesn't exclude Black Friday prices.

Best buy is advertising $60 off the 32gb wifi Air and the Discover rep sees no reason why they wouldn't mail me a refund for the difference on my release-day purchase.

I think this is the one and only time I've ever wished I had a Discover card.

powderific
May 13, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Whaaat, I do have a Discover card and had no idea they had price protection. Definitely going to be taking advantage of that in the future.

smackfu
Jun 7, 2004

Finally got into the store to play with the two retina iPads. The mini really is very nice. Text can be a little small in Safari but otherwise it seemed great. Easier to use with one hand too. Of course it was out of stock. And only two of the ten mini demo units were Retina.

And I think their demo of the Wired app may have sold me on that. Retina magazines are much nicer than when I had an iPad 1.

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

eddiewalker posted:

Turns out Discover has a 90 day price protection guarantee that doesn't exclude Black Friday prices.

Best buy is advertising $60 off the 32gb wifi Air and the Discover rep sees no reason why they wouldn't mail me a refund for the difference on my release-day purchase.

Is that protection retailer dependent? I bought an iPhone from Sprint directly a few weeks ago and would love to get a little cash back, even if there's only a lower price through best buy or whatever.

randyest
Sep 1, 2004

by R. Guyovich
Hahaha

Qualcomm’s CMO Anand Chandrasekher reassigned, censured following A7 “gimmick” lambasting

Probably not a good idea to cry sour grapes when your own company is working on doing the exact same thing. "32-bits should be enough for anything!"

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber

CaptainPsyko posted:

Is that protection retailer dependent? I bought an iPhone from Sprint directly a few weeks ago and would love to get a little cash back, even if there's only a lower price through best buy or whatever.

Says lower price from any retailer. https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/help-center/faqs/price-protection.html

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
So I just got an air and I'm turning it into my main ipad. Where on itunes is the option to automatically download and sync all the apps I had on my old ipad?

DarkJC
Jul 6, 2010
You should have an option to restore from backup when you connect it to iTunes. Alternatively, restore from an iCloud backup.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:

Any proof of this? I seriously doubt they escort you out of the store unless you deserve it. Sounds very made up.

To be honest, it's not just Apple Stores; most electronic stores are very reluctant to process returns, even in the UK under the Sale of Goods Act. That said, referring to the lawyers/customer service team is better than getting the floor staff to bullshit about supposed loopholes in the law.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP
Would people say the iPad Retina Mini is worth the extra $100 over the regular Mini? I haven't had a chance to look at the Retina one in person but my sister has a regular Mini and it seems okay for what I want to do (generic web surfing replacement for my laptop).

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Yes. The screen is miles better and it's vastly more powerful, meaning it will likely be supported far longer.

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Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi

computer parts posted:

Would people say the iPad Retina Mini is worth the extra $100 over the regular Mini? I haven't had a chance to look at the Retina one in person but my sister has a regular Mini and it seems okay for what I want to do (generic web surfing replacement for my laptop).

Definitely.

Of course, I'm debating returning mine for an iPad Air. The Mini fits better in to my job, but the Air would be better for reading and general web surfing.

I needwantneedwant both.

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