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Mortanis posted:That's been the focus of the last two seasons of Smith's run. Retroactively, we now know that Smith's Doctor has known that he is at the end of his entire life - not just the end of his regeneration with a new one waiting for him. Running from Lake Silencio in S6 and Trenzalore in S7 have a different twist if it's not just Smith hiding from the end of "his" run as the Doctor, but his entire life, if he knows that showing up at either event is the absolute end of everything for him. 2/3rds of Smith's run is about the inevitability of his demise. This also puts the last part of End of Time in a hugely different light that will hopefully shut up the haters. The Doctor had every right to drag it out and say "I don't want to go" if he knew it was the last time he'd ever regenerate. On the other hand, he basically met the 48th Doctor or whatever as The Curator, so even if he didn't spot a 13th TARDIS wheeling around Gallifrey the other day, I find it hard to believe he'd be so worried.
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Nov 26, 2013 22:18
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Astroman posted:This also puts the last part of End of Time in a hugely different light that will hopefully shut up the haters. The Doctor had every right to drag it out and say "I don't want to go" if he knew it was the last time he'd ever regenerate. It was explicitly stated in the episode that he'd forget everything that had happened that day. So he'd go on thinking Gallifrey was destroyed until his next regeneration when he saves it. It's basically so they can keep all the crap that happened prior "Cannon". I don't get why everyone hates on Tennant so much, I thought he did a great job, though I do think several of his storylines were gawdawful. I could have used considerably less Mary Sue Piper though. I was drat sick of Rose by the time she left, and I was annoyed any time she'd show back up.
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Nov 26, 2013 22:23
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Yeah, but even if 10 forgot saving Gallifrey, he'd still remember he was The War Doctor, and that he blew a regeneration to stay the same (actually I guess he didn't blow a regeneration--there were two 10th Doctors). So when he was dying after saving Wilf, he knew this was the last ever time he could regenerate. For all he knew, the Valeyard would pop out, hit him on the head, and steal his TARDIS.
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Nov 26, 2013 22:25
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Maera Sior posted:I'm talking about Moffat's problems with this trope. Some people can pull it off, some can't. You're saying Ron Moore, that no-talent hack, the man that nearly ruined Star Trek, is doing a better job than Moffat? Man, you crazy
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Nov 26, 2013 22:29
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Wait, didn't the doctor get extra regens from River Song or am I completely misreading that...
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Nov 26, 2013 22:33
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CommaToes posted:Wait, didn't the doctor get extra regens from River Song or am I completely misreading that... She used all her regens to destroy the regen-nullifying poison. Apparently there wasn't enough left to give him any.
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Nov 26, 2013 22:49
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It doesn't really make sense that River ever had regenerations in the first place so I guess I can forgive them for taking those away from her in a manner that also didn't make a lot of sense. Maybe she slipped on a time banana and her regenerations fell into Romana, so she could waste them all trying on a bunch of faces.
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Nov 26, 2013 22:57
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Erk, I hope those spoilers from last night are just a bunch of wild guesses based on a sneaky glance at the synopsis because that sounds like a hell of a lame way to end Matt's run...7thBatallion posted:You're saying Ron Moore, that no-talent hack, the man that nearly ruined Star Trek, is doing a better job than Moffat? Man, you crazy Oh wow, an actual crazy person.
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Nov 26, 2013 22:57
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ProfessorLoomis posted:I think alot of people in this thread are beginning to bitterly protest the basic tenants of storytelling and science fiction altogether. It's so stupid that the main character doesn't die when pitted against impossible odds. It's not like he's the title character or something. Rhymenoserous posted:It was explicitly stated in the episode that he'd forget everything that had happened that day. So he'd go on thinking Gallifrey was destroyed until his next regeneration when he saves it. It's basically so they can keep all the crap that happened prior "Cannon". quote:I don't get why everyone hates on Tennant so much, I thought he did a great job, though I do think several of his storylines were gawdawful. I could have used considerably less Mary Sue Piper though. I was drat sick of Rose by the time she left, and I was annoyed any time she'd show back up. That said, I love Tennant, and the special is part of why. It's him being the Doctor. Not some goofy love-struck idiot, not Time Lord Victorious borderline evil, not a moping sadsack because Rose is gone. He's doing what he does best and playing off the other Doctors so beautifully. We only see him in prime problem solving/adventuring mode.
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Nov 26, 2013 22:59
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Classtoise posted:Only 1 n in that type of canon. Also, this is how multi-Doctor stories ALWAYS go. "Only the latest one remembers". Except Time Crash, where the information to save the day came from nowhere.
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Nov 26, 2013 23:12
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I don't really see how using regeneration energy to heal the doctor doesn't make sense? If anything involving regenerations is confusing it's all the stuff involving the metacrisis, but it was established at least there that regeneration energy heals. Also the "last regeneration" thing shows why river was so pissed when the doctor spent some of his healing her hand.
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Nov 26, 2013 23:34
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7thBatallion posted:You're saying Ron Moore, that no-talent hack, the man that nearly ruined Star Trek, is doing a better job than Moffat? Man, you crazy I guess he wasn't a writer on the good seasons of DS9 and TNG. That must have been another Ron Moore.
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Nov 26, 2013 23:50
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jivjov posted:Except Time Crash, where the information to save the day came from nowhere. That, again, happens in multi-Doctor storylines.
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Nov 26, 2013 23:53
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7thBatallion posted:You're saying Ron Moore, that no-talent hack, the man that nearly ruined Star Trek, is doing a better job than Moffat? Man, you crazy  DS9 Hater on sensors 
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Nov 27, 2013 00:18
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7thBatallion posted:You're saying Ron Moore, that no-talent hack, the man that nearly ruined Star Trek, is doing a better job than Moffat? Man, you crazy Battlestar Galactica. 
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Nov 27, 2013 00:19
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jivjov posted:Even as someone who's been okay with a lot of Moffat's work, I think he works better when he's more restrained. His work under RTD is some of my favorite stuff from the revived series; its when he's given free rein to indulge himself that things get out of hand. I think RTD suffered from similar. The 9th Doctor series was pretty tightly done (despite the farting aliens) even in the RTD episodes. Tennant's first run was also REALLY good, including the RTD bits. It seems during Tennant's second run that RTD was given a lot more free reign and that caused a lot of his episodes to devolve into garbage (Last of the Time Lords, for instance.) Let's not even get into the season of specials that capped off Tennant's run.
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Nov 27, 2013 00:27
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Mokinokaro posted:I think RTD suffered from similar. The 9th Doctor series was pretty tightly done (despite the farting aliens) even in the RTD episodes. Tennant's first run was also REALLY good, including the RTD bits. It seems during Tennant's second run that RTD was given a lot more free reign and that caused a lot of his episodes to devolve into garbage (Last of the Time Lords, for instance.) Let's not even get into the season of specials that capped off Tennant's run. I think the big problem is that Rusty is just not that great at plotting. I mean he's got his whole thing about focusing on hitting the right emotional notes and sequence rather than the right narrative ones, but I don't think that really works. He just splashes around the emotion-porn and big, striking images without anything to connect them. I think that kind of approach is much better suited for film than semi-serialized television because TV is much more about plot.
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Nov 27, 2013 01:35
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That's right! 11 used some of his regeneration energy to heal River! How could he do that if he doesn't have any?
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Nov 27, 2013 01:44
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Burkion posted:That's right! 11 used some of his regeneration energy to heal River! Maybe the pseudo-regeneration that created the Metacrisis Doctor only used part of the energy he'd need for a full regeneration, but regardless of whether he healed River or not, the Doctor wouldn't have enough energy to regenerate again? I dunno.
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Nov 27, 2013 01:49
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CumFart Gurantee posted:Battlestar Galactica. He made The Chase. BSG barely makes up for it,
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Nov 27, 2013 01:51
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7thBatallion posted:He made The Chase. BSG barely makes up for it, There are so many terrible Star Trek episodes, and you have some issue with The Chase? It's not even a bad episode.
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Nov 27, 2013 02:06
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7thBatallion posted:He made The Chase. BSG barely makes up for it, "Out of literally hundreds Star Trek episodes, of which, at least dozens are pretty bad, I'm going to dismiss this writer's entire body of work. Forever." content: I've not watched hardly any Classic Who, but is the Time War a New Who creation? Did Moffat kinda sorta retcon it all away in the special?
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Nov 27, 2013 02:12
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CumFart Gurantee posted:"Out of literally hundreds Star Trek episodes, of which, at least dozens are pretty bad, I'm going to dismiss this writer's entire body of work. Forever." The Time War as an event is an RTD creation and is meant to happen during the time that Doctor Who was off the air (although I think it technically started with Genesis of the Daleks?).
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Nov 27, 2013 02:14
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River used her regeneration energy to heal the Doctor from the regen poison, she didn't give him regnerations. I don't know why people think that.
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Nov 27, 2013 02:17
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Bicyclops posted:It doesn't really make sense that River ever had regenerations in the first place so I guess I can forgive them for taking those away from her in a manner that also didn't make a lot of sense. Maybe she slipped on a time banana and her regenerations fell into Romana, so she could waste them all trying on a bunch of faces. In a very special Christmas episode of Doctor Who, the real world debate over stem cell research is explored as the Doctor discovers a way to get more generations - have his companions get pregnant in the TARDIS and then eat the babies.
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Nov 27, 2013 02:34
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Regeneration: now a super-power that heals other people too, only you don't need to spend any regeneration points to do it, you just can.
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Nov 27, 2013 02:39
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Burkion posted:That's right! 11 used some of his regeneration energy to heal River! It takes a lot of energy to turn into the regeneration fountain He has a bit left, not enough to fully regenerate, and River wants him to keep it for himself just in case - it's not much but it's all he has.
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Nov 27, 2013 02:54
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bobkatt013 posted:If it was an old one then it was most likely one from The Invasion that the Brig took to use as target practice. Went back and checked it. It's the head of the Chess-playing dormant Cyberman from Nightmare in Silver. How they got that for the Black Archive, I have no idea.  Bicyclops posted:It's probably just supposed to be a derelict Cyberman and using a prop that already looked like that was the easiest way to go. But... but... my immersion! 
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Nov 27, 2013 03:19
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Varance posted:Went back and checked it. It's the head of the Chess-playing dormant Cyberman from Nightmare in Silver. How they got that for the Black Archive, I have no idea. It's probably just supposed to be a derelict Cyberman and using a prop that already looked like that was the easiest way to go.
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Nov 27, 2013 03:33
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7thBatallion posted:He made The Chase. BSG barely makes up for it, He wrote Family and Trials and Tribble-ations. He also wrote Chain of Command. I do not see how he almost destroyed Trek.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:17
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CumFart Gurantee posted:content: I've not watched hardly any Classic Who, but is the Time War a New Who creation? Did Moffat kinda sorta retcon it all away in the special? Time War is entirely New Who, like computer parts said the bulk of it happened while the show was off the air. It was basically a way to make The Doctor the only Time Lord and simplify things. Moffat didn't so much retcon the thing as to make the conclusion more open ended so that the other Time Lords and Gallifray can be brought back in some capacity in the future.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:27
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Regarding  about regeneration:the Christmas Special should be an hour of Matt Smith dying and regenerating into various actors, who promptly die and regenerate. After about 40 of these, Bill Bailey regenerates into Capaldi, Moff walks on to the set, flips a double bird and says, "Now shut the gently caress up about it." This is Doctor Who. Everything/Nothing is canon.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:50
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Because that makes for good writing, doesn't it?
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Nov 27, 2013 04:55
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Royal W posted:Regarding Moffat already wrote the Curse of the Fatal Death.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:56
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Mortanis posted:Moffat already wrote the Curse of the Fatal Death. And has been writing it, over and over again, ever since.
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Nov 27, 2013 04:58
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DoctorWhat posted:And has been writing it, over and over again, ever since. If it meant Jonathan Price as the Master I would never complain again.
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Nov 27, 2013 05:05
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Royal W posted:Regarding Hell, if it canonizes Joanna Lumley's Doctor...
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Nov 27, 2013 05:06
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Mortanis posted:Moffat already wrote the Curse of the Fatal Death. Wow. I didn't even know that was a Thing. Thanks for enlightening me!  Either way the regeneration argument feels pretty much ado about nothing. Moff's going to Moff; the lovers will love it and the haters will hate it, with a few swing votes in between; and the show will go on. Personally, I'll be happy to see the three-season spanning story arcs get tied up.
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So this is kinda interesting:quote:Doctor Who writer Steven Moffat has revealed that Peter Capaldi "leaps around the place" following his regeneration scene. I loving love the phrase "regeneration madness". Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't 4 and 6 both have something of that? 10 just fell unconscious for the better part of 24 hours, and 11 just had his tastebuds go all wonky. edit: Also zooming in on the teaser image for The Time of the Doctor reveals some interesting stuff too. For instance:  2 minutes to 12. Yeah, that's not intentional.  Are...are those Silents wearing turtlenecks?  Bow Ties: Still cool.  "I SEE YOU." Ensign_Ricky fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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