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DStecks posted:In my Ironman Estonia game, England wound up getting all three possible invasion victories in the same game: first, William the Conqueror succeeded in his invasion, then, Harald Hardrade successfully invaded Norman-controlled England, then, I'm not sure how, the son of Harold Godwinson managed to take the English throne from Harald Hardrade. Having played as Harold Godwinson myself, it's not as ridiculous as it sounds. Even if he loses the initial invasion, he doesn't die or lose his other titles, so he's still one of 1066 England's several strong dukes, all of whom will make life hell for whoever wins. It's a matter of currying favor and waiting for the right moment.
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Arumba is doing a Q&A and he's triggered the demon spawn event... with a dead daughter. 
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Dec 3, 2013 19:56
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So how is project balance these days? I plan on getting back into the game and thought I'd try the VIET/PB combo mod since the consensus seems to be turning away from ck2+
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Dec 3, 2013 20:42
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Is there any ETA on the next patch yet beyond "sometime this month"?
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Dec 3, 2013 21:28
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PureRok posted:Yea, I knew about this. But I wanted something that was basically the character, but at a time that I usually play (the old gods start is where I always start). Sure, I could have just forced the event to happen, but this way I'll always have them there if I decide I want them to be (that, and I don't usually play Frankish characters, so it wouldn't have been her anyway.). I dunno. Besides, it was fun making all of that stuff, and since I made the mod for custom characters it's good practice for adding more characters. At least the confusion is cleared up. She appears lowborn, like the real Jeanne. You can eventually choose to knight her and she then gets what I assume is a random coa/dynasty name. I suppose that you could play around with the files to make sure the Jeanme that appears is always named as such and her dynasty name/coa is the one of your choosing.
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Dec 3, 2013 22:14
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Veryslightlymad posted:The little things about this game are sometimes the best. I got the Totally Not Ripping Off The JFK Assassination event twice within 24 hours of the 50th anniversary. 
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Dec 4, 2013 00:05
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is there any way to convince the pope to call a crusade or is it just waiting and luck?
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Dec 4, 2013 00:18
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Arctiidae posted:is there any way to convince the pope to call a crusade or is it just waiting and luck? I believe Popes are limited to one Crusade in their lifetime - so if he already called one... 
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Dec 4, 2013 00:21
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Excelzior posted:I believe Popes are limited to one Crusade in their lifetime - so if he already called one... I guess it's time to cycle popes then. Also, I find it kind of funny that I can rinse/repeat getting my own guys elected pope by spending lots on a campaign then asking for money.
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Dec 4, 2013 00:25
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DStecks posted:In my Ironman Estonia game, England wound up getting all three possible invasion victories in the same game: first, William the Conqueror succeeded in his invasion, then, Harald Hardrade successfully invaded Norman-controlled England, then, I'm not sure how, the son of Harold Godwinson managed to take the English throne from Harald Hardrade. You didn't see the fourth, though: the Danish king has a claim on the throne of England as well. There's even an achievement for doing so in Ironman now.
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Dec 4, 2013 02:23
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So how do you survive an Old God's start as a Scottish Earl?
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Dec 4, 2013 02:26
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Ok, so I figured i'd go take Jerusalem, I made a game on tutorial island (ireland as its my "trying poo poo out" island), got it stable as hell and actually managed to win the kingdom of Jerusalem with 7k men by just sitting them on the city itself and fighting off whatever came near (thanks jesus). Now that i've got it, I don't know what to do with it. Is it even going to be possible to keep? Should I just hand it over to the pope or the knights? I'm leaving it until tomorrow to sort out but it seems like its going to be a pain.
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Dec 4, 2013 02:43
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The Sharmat posted:So how do you survive an Old God's start as a Scottish Earl? If you get deposed in Ivar's invasion you are hosed. But if you are vassallised or swear fealty you can bring down Norse Scotland from the inside. A Norse ruler will have a tough time converting you or revoking your titles. Start a faction to put a Catholic ruler on the throne. Murder Ivar and any capable heirs he has. As a Catholic ruler in a Norse kingdom, all the deposed Scottish dukes will come to your court and you can press their claims and slowly turn most of Scotland Catholic again (this is the difficult part since many of the Norse Yarls will be related and allied). Soon the Norse king's position will be untenable. And if Holy Orders become active early (as happened in my game, I think due to all of Scotland and England being ruled by Norsemen) then it becomes very easy. I was able to quickly crush the Norse Yarls and replace them with Catholics. A few Catholic uprisings drained the king's manpower and they accepted my faction demand to install a Catholic ruler.
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dogstile posted:Ok, so I figured i'd go take Jerusalem, I made a game on tutorial island (ireland as its my "trying poo poo out" island), got it stable as hell and actually managed to win the kingdom of Jerusalem with 7k men by just sitting them on the city itself and fighting off whatever came near (thanks jesus). Now that i've got it, I don't know what to do with it. Is it even going to be possible to keep? Should I just hand it over to the pope or the knights? I'm leaving it until tomorrow to sort out but it seems like its going to be a pain. I held it pretty easily but I also got lucky with timing, since most of the muslim powers were getting destroyed in my game. Once I made Brittania I just gave the kingdom to a relative and kept them as my vassal.
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Dec 4, 2013 03:51
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dogstile posted:Now that i've got it, I don't know what to do with it. Is it even going to be possible to keep? Should I just hand it over to the pope or the knights? I'm leaving it until tomorrow to sort out but it seems like its going to be a pain. (Note: This is all for 1.111 and it may have been nerfed in 2.0) It's possible to keep it if you are either extremely lucky, have a stupid high Intrigue (enough to make your chance of discovery 0%) or savescum. Stab the ruler and before unpausing bribe the new ruler. He'll now like you just enough to leave you alone. In short order he'll have his hands full of succession/independence wars for a decade or two. Whenever he's been at peace for a while and his forces have recovered then repeat the whole process again, carving out the lands of rebels bit by bit. I've expanded out to owning Mesopotamia, Syria and nearly all of Arabia after taking Jerusalem in an early crusade. The Shia (and now Ilkhanate) could have crushed me whenever they wanted but their rulers kept mysteriously falling over every time they looked at my lands. Even if this still works post-2.0, I can't think of a way in which it would be beneficial to hold on to both. England-owned Jerusalem/Syria/Mesopotamia have rebels pop every time a war starts and having virtually no local troops would be a nightmare.
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Dec 4, 2013 04:11
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Haha I have no idea how long this event has been around, might be 1.0 for all I know, but I've never seen it before and it amused me a lot.   e; Ahahahaha I guess Paradox are just trying to save the Elder Kings team some work 
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Dec 4, 2013 06:04
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I'm currently trying to mend the Schism with the Byzantine Empire and I have four of the five holy sites that I need (867 start). I have my chancellor sitting on Rome but it's taking a long time. Normally I'm a pretty patient dude but my emperor is 60 years old and has 3000 some odd piety. In order to mend the Schism it requires 2000 piety and my heir has jack poo poo. Is their anyway I can get a claim on Rome quicker than waiting for my chancellor to get a claim for me (I've checked his gold and he hasn't been bribed) or am I poo poo out of luck?
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Dec 4, 2013 06:09
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Mister Adequate posted:Haha I have no idea how long this event has been around, might be 1.0 for all I know, but I've never seen it before and it amused me a lot. Are you playing with VIET?
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Dec 4, 2013 06:10
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catlord posted:Are you playing with VIET? I just now realized it was because of VIET rather than the base game, I had forgotten I had even grabbed it  Welp, good job VIET team!
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Dec 4, 2013 06:20
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Is it ever possible to make a character who is both Mirza and Sayyid, and parenthetically, to have someone hold the title of both head of the Shia and Sunni faiths?
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Dec 4, 2013 06:20
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Being a Sayyid disqualifies you from being a Mirza. If both your parents are Sayyid, you are born just Sayyid. I don't know about the second one. Obviously it shouldn't be possible, but I can't rule it out happening through some weird faction fuckery or anything.
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Dec 4, 2013 06:36
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littleorv posted:I'm currently trying to mend the Schism with the Byzantine Empire and I have four of the five holy sites that I need (867 start). I have my chancellor sitting on Rome but it's taking a long time. Normally I'm a pretty patient dude but my emperor is 60 years old and has 3000 some odd piety. In order to mend the Schism it requires 2000 piety and my heir has jack poo poo. Is their anyway I can get a claim on Rome quicker than waiting for my chancellor to get a claim for me (I've checked his gold and he hasn't been bribed) or am I poo poo out of luck? I dont believe you can fabricate a claim on Rome. I certainly wasn't when I last played as a Catholic ruler, this may extend to Orthodox as well.
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Dec 4, 2013 06:46
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littleorv posted:I'm currently trying to mend the Schism with the Byzantine Empire and I have four of the five holy sites that I need (867 start). I have my chancellor sitting on Rome but it's taking a long time. Normally I'm a pretty patient dude but my emperor is 60 years old and has 3000 some odd piety. In order to mend the Schism it requires 2000 piety and my heir has jack poo poo. Is their anyway I can get a claim on Rome quicker than waiting for my chancellor to get a claim for me (I've checked his gold and he hasn't been bribed) or am I poo poo out of luck? Rome is part of the Duchy of Latium, so form that if you haven't already and press a de jure claim.
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YouTuber posted:I dont believe you can fabricate a claim on Rome. I certainly wasn't when I last played as a Catholic ruler, this may extend to Orthodox as well. Yes you can, with whatever religion you have, catholic, orthodox, it doesn't matter. littleorv posted:I'm currently trying to mend the Schism with the Byzantine Empire and I have four of the five holy sites that I need (867 start). I have my chancellor sitting on Rome but it's taking a long time. Normally I'm a pretty patient dude but my emperor is 60 years old and has 3000 some odd piety. In order to mend the Schism it requires 2000 piety and my heir has jack poo poo. Is their anyway I can get a claim on Rome quicker than waiting for my chancellor to get a claim for me (I've checked his gold and he hasn't been bribed) or am I poo poo out of luck? Try to shuffle your chancelors. Have each one for a year then shuffle to another one.
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Dec 4, 2013 07:02
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Veryslightlymad posted:Your computer sucks. I alt-tab out of CK2 constantly. Nah, it only started happening with the most recent patch. Prior to that, I'd alt-tab out while the game was loading so I don't have to stare at the screen waiting for it to finish loading.
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Dec 4, 2013 07:09
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Picked this up recently, and after a trial run in Ireland where I somehow got the heir of the Byzantine Empire to marry matrilineal oh into a 3-province minor, I decided to roll with the Abbadids. It's gone pretty well, I managed to form Andalusia, and have generally held my own. Then I wind up with a (decent) Sultan who lasts for ages and manages to have roughly a billion children who I completely lose track of somewhere along the line; my court largely runs itself because I'm busy fending off Holy Wars. Eventually, he finally dies as a result of complications from Ramadan, and it's his grandson who inherits, the primary son being long dead. Well, my entire nation suddenly turns brown, and I'm in two wars I've never heard of. Turns out he somehow became Sultan of Turkestan, so I now have just about the ugliest borders ever, with provinces both as far west and as Far East as the map goes.
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It sure is annoying when I can't assault my enemy's capital with the 80K-strong army I am personally leading because some random merchant prince from another continent who isn't even in the war decided to park his 500-man retinue there 400 years ago.
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Dec 4, 2013 10:40
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Disco Infiva posted:Yes you can, with whatever religion you have, catholic, orthodox, it doesn't matter. As a catholic ruler you can't fabricate claims on any of your religious head's titles. No such restrictions for any other religions, though.
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Dec 4, 2013 11:49
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Nightblade posted:As a catholic ruler you can't fabricate claims on any of your religious head's titles. No such restrictions for any other religions, though. Is that something new in SoA? I am pretty sure that whenever I was a Catholic playing in Italy, I never had problems with fabricating claims on Rome.
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Dec 4, 2013 11:56
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Last time I followed this thread there was news about owners of the GG version of the game being given Steam versions. Has that happened yet?
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Dec 4, 2013 12:13
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Disco Infiva posted:Is that something new in SoA? I am pretty sure that whenever I was a Catholic playing in Italy, I never had problems with fabricating claims on Rome. It's from a patch quite a while ago, 1. 06, I think. It's definitely older than SoA.
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Dec 4, 2013 12:20
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Nightblade posted:It's from a patch quite a while ago, 1. 06, I think. It's definitely older than SoA. OK then, thanks. It seems I haven't been playing an Italian Catholic Power in a long rear end time (drat patches, everything changes grumble grumble 
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Happy Fun Bollocks posted:It sure is annoying when I can't assault my enemy's capital with the 80K-strong army I am personally leading because some random merchant prince from another continent who isn't even in the war decided to park his 500-man retinue there 400 years ago. In this case I just load up as that merchant prince and disband the offending army. It is not cheating, you are just correcting programming mistake.
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Since you can vassalize holy orders, can you exploit this same mechanic for other mercenary troops? Like giving the heir to the varangian guard some land, pressing his claim and then having them as your vassal? Replace varangian guard with your choice in mercenaries if you aren't Byzantium. Vassalizing the holy sepulchre drove their costs down a lot, if this is possible for all mercenary bands you can have your empire be host to a bunch of mercenaries. Just hope they don't rebel against you ever.
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Hambilderberglar posted:Since you can vassalize holy orders, can you exploit this same mechanic for other mercenary troops? Like giving the heir to the varangian guard some land, pressing his claim and then having them as your vassal? Replace varangian guard with your choice in mercenaries if you aren't Byzantium. Vassalizing the holy sepulchre drove their costs down a lot, if this is possible for all mercenary bands you can have your empire be host to a bunch of mercenaries. Just hope they don't rebel against you ever. What's the exploit? You still have to pay them.
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Dec 4, 2013 13:18
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Knuc If U Buck posted:What's the exploit? You still have to pay them.
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Hambilderberglar posted:The piety cost for recruiting the order of the holy sepulchre dropped after I vassalized them. I'm assuming the same will hold true for the price of any given mercenary order if you can vassalize them, making for cheaper mercenaries and denying their use to the enemy when you go to war? Are you sure it didn't drop because your were in a holy war?
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Dec 4, 2013 14:23
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With Sons of Abraham, which of the new features are restricted to the DLC, and which stuff is integrated into the base game?
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Dec 4, 2013 14:33
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Knuc If U Buck posted:Are you sure it didn't drop because your were in a holy war? The piety cost of vassalized holy orders does drop significantly. The gold cost for the Varangians is also negligible. Can anybody check how much the Mamluks cost an Egyptian ruler? I think it would prove that vassalized orders/mercenaries have a lower hiring cost.
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Torrannor posted:The piety cost of vassalized holy orders does drop significantly. The gold cost for the Varangians is also negligible. Can anybody check how much the Mamluks cost an Egyptian ruler? I think it would prove that vassalized orders/mercenaries have a lower hiring cost. Actually yeah, I think I remember the Holy Sepulchre dropping in cost after vassalising, but I never put the 2 together.
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