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spongeh posted:that dashed line is the keyboard focus indicator, not some sort of stitching effect on the button, right? yep
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the core problem is that change is intrinsically bad. removing any feature, ever, even if it doesn't fit your ux ~*~ vision ~*~ or is a pain in the rear end to re-implement on your spanking new rewrite, is bad. this argument would have any merit if systemd actually broke things. systemd has a large backwards compatibility layer for sysvinit. your existing scripts that use 'service httpd start' should keep working. your sysvinit scripts to start your custom daemon? yeah, those still work, barring some obscure extensions that i can count on one hand the number of times we've seen it in the wild. you can still run rsyslogd, if you want to, and we fully support that so you can have /var/log/messages work too. so, just like i asked "how did pulseaudio crash" (which you still haven't answered, and i'm still curious about), i'm going to ask "how did systemd break backcompat for you". because we can solve your problem by adding a backcompat layer, like we've done for lots of other things so far.
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Suspicious Dish posted:this argument would have any merit if systemd actually broke things. systemd has a large backwards compatibility layer for sysvinit. your existing scripts that use 'service httpd start' should keep working. your sysvinit scripts to start your custom daemon? yeah, those still work, barring some obscure extensions that i can count on one hand the number of times we've seen it in the wild. /etc/init.d/iptables is broken 1 star would not configure services again
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the "backwards compatibility layer" would need to be... sysvinit
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how is it broken? sysvinit scripts should work fine, and the compat layer has been there ever since release.
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Suspicious Dish posted:so, just like i asked "how did pulseaudio crash" (which you still haven't answered, and i'm still curious about) i honestly do not know what crashed pulseaudio and i have core dumps turned off on my home desktop you have gotten about 50% of the way to convincing me to turn them back on tho since it can't be that complicated, and pulseaudio actually does make my life better enough for me to care whether it works
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Suspicious Dish posted:how is it broken? sysvinit scripts should work fine, and the compat layer has been there ever since release. i mean you removed the existing sysvinit scripts for system services. they're gone.
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oh, you mean that you can't type /etc/init.d/iptables start anymore? that was never a standard. other distros use /etc/rc.d/iptables start. solaris has smf and its own fancy way to start iptables. the cross-platform way was always 'service iptables start', and that still works today.
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PleasingFungus posted:the cutest turtle tef posted:kids do really neat things http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/14292779/ the code is :O the source does look like how kids build with legos 
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i would be happier with your argument if we broke a standard that was documented. /etc/init.d/ was never a standard, it was always a distro-specific configuration directory.
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Suspicious Dish posted:this argument would have any merit if systemd actually broke things. systemd has a large backwards compatibility layer for sysvinit. your existing scripts that use 'service httpd start' should keep working. maybe now, but pretty sure i remember when network manager didn't work which was such awful piss that my benefit of the doubt was used up for it for all time especially because of the response, which was 'it is not our fault, they were doing it wrong' which as a user makes me insane with bloodlust
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networkmanager is such awful poo poo i hate it
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is wpa-supplicant still piss garbage btw? i remember it being trash but i havent touched it in forever
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brain candy, if anybody closes an upstream networkmanager/gnome bug with "sorry, it's a kernel bug", please pm me about it, or email me ( jasper@redhat.com ). our internal policy is never to do that except in extreme cases, and to always forward bugs ourselves to places with known bug-trackers. networkmanager has gotten a lot better in the past two years. it used to leak a lot of memory and just do everything horribly and we mostly kicked it into shape. it's still not great (the api is one of the worst i've ever used, but it turns out networking is dumber than anybody ever thought), but we're constantly working on it. because enterprise networking and consumer networking are so completely different, our current plan is to split the low-level parts into a new network daemon, and have connman/nm simply use that internally and provide a consumer networking api over it.
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Otto Skorzeny posted:is wpa-supplicant still piss garbage btw? i remember it being trash but i havent touched it in forever yes. it's mostly obsolete now, as a lot of it is in the kernel now.
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Suspicious Dish posted:brain candy, if anybody closes an upstream networkmanager/gnome bug with "sorry, it's a kernel bug", please pm me about it, or email me ( jasper@redhat.com ). our internal policy is never to do that except in extreme cases, and to always forward bugs ourselves to places with known bug-trackers.  i'm really really glad that you peeps are doing this. it's been p. obvious that wireless was the assumed environment for network stuff of course, practically the first thing i did when i used gnome3 was toggle my network connection
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so how about them programming languages
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horrible crap that is terrible, we've established this
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qwerasdf posted:so how about them programming languages 
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Otto Skorzeny posted:is wpa-supplicant still piss garbage btw? i remember it being trash but i havent touched it in forever wpa_supplicant is the only working wpa/802.1x supplicant for linux networkmanager is a very confusing set of conventions and daemons that, after six? eight? years of loving around mostly works on most linux distributions. i don't like it but i don't hate it
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qwerasdf posted:so how about them programming languages im getting confused between column major and row major matrices in a variety of languages i hope this helps
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Suspicious Dish posted:email me ( jasper@redhat.com ) you have a cat name
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my sister's dog is named jasper
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jasper redd is a pretty good comedian you have a black comedians name
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was there a character in one of the rats of nimh books named jasper? 
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i know a gay chinese fashion nerd named jasper
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gay chinese fashion nerd, black comedian, fictional rat, or IRL cat
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just trying to sum up what we've discussed thus far
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that's a paddlin' lol funny
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Symbolic Butt posted:you have a cat name thanks
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how'd you sneak a picture of the node devops guy
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This is adorable http://tratt.net/laurie/blog/entries/how_can_c_programs_be_so_reliable
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Zombywuf posted:This is adorable http://tratt.net/laurie/blog/entries/how_can_c_programs_be_so_reliable "boy you sure have to be careful when writing c programs" this is news?
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prefect posted:"boy you sure have to be careful when writing c programs" It is news to many people that you have to be careful when writing not-C programs.
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Zombywuf posted:This is adorable http://tratt.net/laurie/blog/entries/how_can_c_programs_be_so_reliable goddamint, i'm reading this http://tratt.net/laurie/blog/entries/another_non_argument_in_type_systems static vs dynamic typing, hey they're totally two sides of the same coin guys... and it's like it's written using non-Euclidean words, all of them a little bit off oh and yes, static and dynamic typing are two sides of the same coin, it's just that dynamic typing is always the B-side
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psoc creator has locked up on me every time i've tried to ctrl+f something today. if whoever wrote this piece of poo poo is johnny ringo i want to be doc holliday.
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Zombywuf posted:It is news to many people that you have to be careful when writing not-C programs. not-c programs should be outlawed as hate speech.
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c and java is a good combo imo unless you're writing vidya games or smt
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Max Facetime posted:goddamint, i'm reading this http://tratt.net/laurie/blog/entries/another_non_argument_in_type_systems static vs dynamic typing, hey they're totally two sides of the same coin guys... quote:My firm belief is that statically and dynamically typed languages overlap in some ways, but differ in others /gasp
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