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Varinn posted:Replying to someones list of reasonable complaints with "Ugh, its just a beta, dude!!!" is beyond useless. The whole point of the beta is to discuss what works and what doesn't, even if those things are core mechanics. We're super lucky that Tiy and co. seem to be pulling a reverse notch and are actually willing to completely overhaul big systems, so instead of saying "dont complain, itll be fixed later!! beta!!" instead discuss the reasons why stuff works or doesn't! Except most of the complaints are quality of life things that can be added when the games major systems are fixed and set in stone first.
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Famous TV Dad posted:Is there any good way to get gold? I can barely find any. Dig deep on higher level moons (moons rarely get as hard to dig as other planets) or snow planets. Gold is only in small pockets and doesn't have giant veins like other ores.
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JerseyMonkey posted:Src: http://playstarbound.com/other-bits-and-pieces-coming-with-the-balance-update/ XP bug? I wasn't aware this game even had XP.
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For instance, I totally agree with the lack of biome diversity. Once you get past the aesthetics, of which there are a ton of rad ones, MECHANICALLY they all function pretty much the same. There needs to be more biome specific, or even planet-type specific, environmental features, even maybe wildly different styles of terrain generation.Verranicus posted:Except most of the complaints are quality of life things that can be added when the games major systems are fixed and set in stone first. Stuff like biome differentiation and monster mechanical diversity are pretty core issues!
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I don't know if this is common knowledge or not but if you're spelunking and you want to dig in a pool of water you can dig to the bottom, right-click and knock a hole in the background and the water will all drain out that hole. e: I guess it only does this up to a certain depth. Reiley fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Dec 8, 2013 |
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Above Our Own posted:Anyone have a TL40 planet with Gun Sellers? Same question here but for TL20. And do enemies ever drop guns or is it just certain races? maketakunai posted:Shields absolutely block melee attacks just fine, I run around planets with a shield out and just hit block right before I walk through enemies There must be hidden stats for them then. I tried a shield from a TL20 planet and it blocked stuff in the Alpha sector but on a TL20 planet enemies hit me right through it. Maybe for reduced damage but I still died in one hit because yeah, the armor progression is rough when you have snow infantry gear and can't find/make anything better. 
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Ess posted:XP bug? I wasn't aware this game even had XP. I think they mean Windows XP.
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Ess posted:XP bug? I wasn't aware this game even had XP. Talking about Windows XP. Some users have had trouble with it apparently. Edit: drat it.
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Varinn posted:Stuff like biome differentiation and monster mechanical diversity are pretty core issues! More diversity is not a core mechanic.
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Varinn posted:Replying to someones list of reasonable complaints with "Ugh, its just a beta, dude!!!" is beyond useless. The whole point of the beta is to discuss what works and what doesn't, even if those things are core mechanics. We're super lucky that Tiy and co. seem to be pulling a reverse notch and are actually willing to completely overhaul big systems, so instead of saying "dont complain, itll be fixed later!! beta!!" instead discuss the reasons why stuff works or doesn't! Throwing vitriol and claiming everything is 'masturbatory' this or 'lovely' that based on personal opinion backed up by paragraphs of shitpost doesn't count as 'reasonable complaint'
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Mr Sulu, set phazers to EPIC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYud6j4e1-0 
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Evil Fluffy posted:There must be hidden stats for them then. I tried a shield from a TL20 planet and it blocked stuff in the Alpha sector but on a TL20 planet enemies hit me right through it. Maybe for reduced damage but I still died in one hit because yeah, the armor progression is rough when you have snow infantry gear and can't find/make anything better. Shields can drop as low as 15 armor class below planet level, so enjoy your shield lottery.
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Control Volume posted:More diversity is not a core mechanic. It is when the core mechanic is "theres infinite worlds!" and all the worlds function exactly the same.
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Maximum Tomfoolery posted:Talking about Windows XP. Some users have had trouble with it apparently. Verranicus posted:I think they mean Windows XP. Oh, duh. It's been such a long time since I've used Windows XP I forgot it was a thing.
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Evil Fluffy posted:And do enemies ever drop guns or is it just certain races? The only good way to determine how good a shield is right now is remembering where you got it and note where it stops being useful. Also the only enemy so far that drops guns are miniboss mobs and I think some NPCs. Varinn posted:For instance, I totally agree with the lack of biome diversity. Once you get past the aesthetics, of which there are a ton of rad ones, MECHANICALLY they all function pretty much the same. There needs to be more biome specific, or even planet-type specific, environmental features, even maybe wildly different styles of terrain generation. Also nice title.
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Varinn posted:It is when the core mechanic is "theres infinite worlds!" and all the worlds function exactly the same. These are the sorts of things that can be worked on after the game itself is working and most of the content is in. What they have now is more than good enough for the stage they're at.
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Varinn posted:It is when the core mechanic is "theres infinite worlds!" and all the worlds function exactly the same. You hear that everyone, better scrap fixing teir balance and gameplay, this guy wants more colored animals stat.
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One very obvious issue with the randomized planets and monsters is the depths of it all. Right now everything looks random but doesn't feel random at all. There need to be planets without life, or with only a certain kind of life and so forth. Hell, a few planets should have anomalies like low gravity, abundant mineral deposits or even really weird stuff like upside-down lightning storms, blood rain or a crust made of steel. Those things aren't very hard to implement, so I'm certain they'll come up with interesting things. I'm sure other people already mentioned this but it bears repeating.
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I love how simply plain humans are, particularly with their origin story. Hylotl: On a mission to spread peace and technology. Glitch: Gained self awareness. Avian: Trying to disprove the dominant religion. Floran: In search of a more honorable hunt. Apex: Resisting their authoritarian government. Human: Space tentacle killed everyone else. Oh well.
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qnqnx posted:There are actually biomes that are mechanically different, like toxic flower biomes having a lot of poison water ponds. Apparently there's magma planets too, in the higher tiers? It just feels like for how diverse some of the planets ive been to are, when I look back at how I handled them, its way too similar. If there IS that kind of mechanical diversity, it needs to be spread through all the tiers more evenly. And yeah, I was a MENACE for those three pages, I guess.
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Varinn posted:Apparently there's magma planets too, in the higher tiers? It just feels like for how diverse some of the planets ive been to are, when I look back at how I handled them, its way too similar. If there IS that kind of mechanical diversity, it needs to be spread through all the tiers more evenly. Will we have the pleasure of your tunnel visionedm incoherent and rapidfire shitposting for another three pages today? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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soapydishwater posted:I love how simply plain humans are, particularly with their origin story. Hylotl: The Superior (Fish)People. Though I will say this; the Impervium tier of Hylotl racial armor is... well. I don't want to say ugly, but man. What the hell is it supposed to be?
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Varinn posted:It is when the core mechanic is "theres infinite worlds!" and all the worlds function exactly the same. Yeah infinite area was Minecraft's gimmick too, and while they're still adding new biomes and monsters and blocks, the game has stagnated without mods because more diversity is not a core mechanic.
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Is there a thread for four-packs? Reading these posts makes me want to play, and I'd be willing to go in on one (unless someone already has, then I'll just get a copy off them)
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Please tell us more about how different colored dirt is insufficient amusement for one of such grand ambition.
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Control Volume posted:Yeah infinite area was Minecraft's gimmick too, and while they're still adding new biomes and monsters and blocks, the game has stagnated without mods because more diversity is not a core mechanic. Actually, minecraft's biomes in the most recent patch are almost all mostly cosmetic! They introduce pretty new colors, new types of dirt, sand and trees that function mechanically the same but aesthetically different! And people still prefer the mods that forgo that in lieu of adding more actual mechanical content. So yeah!
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Clever Spambot posted:I feel like the core of the combat (the movement, the deliberateness of the attacks, how telegraphed enemy attacks are, the hitbox shape and timing, etc.) is sound and they just need to tweak the numbers to make more sense/scale better, add more enemy types and fix how tanky the bosses are. I really don't agree with this, I feel like the enemy attacks are barely telegraphed at all, which is my biggest beef with the combat right now. The enemies that leap at you, sure it's easy to tell, but there are actual attack animations on the charge ones that I feel like are basically impossible to see and block. Varinn posted:And yeah, I was a MENACE for those three pages, I guess. Sick custom title dude, wear that with pride.
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Motherfucker posted:Please tell us more about how different colored dirt is insufficient amusement for one of such grand ambition. I actually preferred the idea of keeping all items of the same type (fine sand, dry dirt, dirt, sand, stone) in a separate single category for each one, and as you find colors it unlocks them to be used, while keeping the overall count a shared number.
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Hit boxes, at least with regards to the bow (and I presume guns) are pretty bad. The upper third or half of monsters that walk upright doesn't seem to be covered.
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I agree, mechanical differences between biomes are important. The difference being I'm not going to poo poo up five to six pages explaining why we should do that right now instead of fixing the things that are currently getting fixed. I mean honestly do you really need to burn to death on a desert planet when the tech tree is so hosed up you likely will need to go to that same planet to get the materials needed to make sun protection equipment? Would you like to choke to death on moon class planets when there is absolutely no ground work in place for preventing choking to death because they focused more on the texture of the dirt at the side of the road than on making the actual road?
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Motherfucker posted:I agree, mechanical differences between biomes are important. What. I'm not saying anything like that? I'm super hyped for the combat overhaul, and the new weapons should be interesting. I have no idea where you're getting any of that from, aside from this lunatic fuckin' title I got I guess Motherfucker posted:I mean honestly do you really need to burn to death on a desert planet when the tech tree is so hosed up you likely will need to go to that same planet to get the materials needed to make sun protection equipment? Would you like to choke to death on moon class planets when there is absolutely no ground work in place for preventing choking to death because they focused more on the texture of the dirt at the side of the road than on making the actual road? Who said mechanical features of biomes have to be instantly deadly, at all?
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:Hit boxes, at least with regards to the bow (and I presume guns) are pretty bad. The upper third or half of monsters that walk upright doesn't seem to be covered. This is pretty annoying and I hope that it gets fixed soon. I think it's just that some bipedal monsters have heads that are extremely huge, they seem to have a lot more size variety than the quadrupeds. Motherfucker posted:The difference being I'm not going to poo poo up five to six pages explaining why we should do that right now instead of fixing the things that are currently getting fixed. Good poo poo dude, forums poster Motherfucker. Keep me updated on what you want us to talk about in this thread. It's important to me and the way I live my life.
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:Hit boxes, at least with regards to the bow (and I presume guns) are pretty bad. The upper third or half of monsters that walk upright doesn't seem to be covered. It's also irritating because they fit in deceptivly small gaps! 
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Different monsters per biome on a planet would be a nice, fairly simple, addition. Have a few common to the whole planet and some that only appear in certain environments. Also some planets having a small "ice cap" for variety.
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Varinn posted:I actually preferred the idea of keeping all items of the same type (fine sand, dry dirt, dirt, sand, stone) in a separate single category for each one, and as you find colors it unlocks them to be used, while keeping the overall count a shared number.
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Varinn posted:Actually, minecraft's biomes in the most recent patch are almost all mostly cosmetic! They introduce pretty new colors, new types of dirt, sand and trees that function mechanically the same but aesthetically different! And people still prefer the mods that forgo that in lieu of adding more actual mechanical content. They also added a variety of different bosses that are all mechanically diverse but are still lovely because combat itself (a core mechanic) is lovely. The Nether is a mechanically different biome that no one uses because there's nothing in there that changes core gameplay. They added stairs, the only thing that changed is that you don't have to jump sometimes. They added redstone lamps, they're torches that turn on and off. They added horses, you move faster. None of these things are actually interesting by themselves because at the end of the day, all you have are small variations of things you could do before. This is because more diversity is not a core gameplay mechanic.
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Mokinokaro posted:Different monsters per biome on a planet would be a nice, fairly simple, addition. Have a few common to the whole planet and some that only appear in certain environments. Making certain monster "parts" unique to certain biomes would be interesting, too, and might help biomes AND monsters feel more unique.
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What am I supposed to do to get past Tier 2? The armor is worthless and I don't know what I'm looking for to advance.
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Mystery Prize posted:What am I supposed to do to get past Tier 2? The armor is worthless and I don't know what I'm looking for to advance. All armor but snow infantry is worthless at the mo. Next patch hopefully will fix it.  Fish Fry Andy posted:Good poo poo dude, forums poster Motherfucker. Keep me updated on what you want us to talk about in this thread. It's important to me and the way I live my life. Will do.
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Mystery Prize posted:What am I supposed to do to get past Tier 2? The armor is worthless and I don't know what I'm looking for to advance. You have to build a bot, iirc. Check the metalworking station as I think it sets you on the right path (I know a brain extractor tool is involved.)
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