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Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

The Shortest Path posted:

In regards to Curse being douchebags and all that, what's the big deal with them? The only influence I've seen them have on sites they've bought up have been positive ones, although I don't know anything about their big WoW-related addon/site thing and all the drama about that.

It's mostly the WoW thing. They were involved in a lot of shady dealings to kill competition (like trying to hold copyright claims on any mods hosted by them.)

They've also been accused of rigging sponsored tournaments in LOL and the like through purposely throwing matches and splitting the winnings.

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omeg
Sep 3, 2012

Yeah, anyone who hates spelunking hates fun. You can find huge fuckoff caverns several screens in size, large mineral veins and +4 level monsters leaping out of the darkness to eat your face off.

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


MoonwalkInvincible posted:

I guess people just don't like cave-diving? It does use up resources in the form of torches and a pick and your generic block type of choice, but it's got about as much biome diversity as exploring surface levels. Maybe even moreso, considering that one of the layers I had to dig through on a desert planet was made entirely of ice and snow.

"Flesh" is my favorite underground biome.

Stalkerr
Jun 10, 2012

I am getting in on this right now, because I love sandboxes. Is there a good way to play multiplayer with other goons?

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

Stalkerr posted:

I am getting in on this right now, because I love sandboxes. Is there a good way to play multiplayer with other goons?

PGS has goon servers. There's also a goon starbound channel on synirc.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

DrManiac posted:

Not if it's as bad as the randomly generated weapons :v:




Anyway I'm hopeful for this game. As cool as many of the features were in terraria remember that the bunch of them weren't even in on release. As far as features go beta Starbound is way further along than terraria's original release was (wasn't the jungle added after?). The most unfun thing is the difficulty curve which is being fixed.

The randomly generated weapons that drop from guards and USCM prisoners on TL20 planets were pretty fantastic. Lot of 24-25 penetration stuff. Getting a weapon with 25/1.05/40 for its stats meant one-shotting everything other than the occasional guard on a TL20 planet, while doing 150-200 damage per hit to the Tier2 boss.

I'd take armor of a similar 'badness' in a heartbeat. Right now you get snow infantry gear and then hope you can find a fuckton of gold, and later platinum/titanium to make the knight armor (or w/e else non-glitch get). I killed some avians on a TL30 planet and got a 34 penetration weapon a bit ago, it murders things wonderfully. Maybe when things like even gold aren't rare as hell on TL20 planets then ok. If i could get a good 2handed sword every tier I'd be a happy murderbot. Nothing as fun as a giant, long-reaching overhand swing that does shitloads of damage even if it's a 0.45 attack speed.


Either way, bring on the random armor drops/sales in towns.

Pakled posted:

Not to presume things about how other people play the game, but I think maybe some people who are saying that spelunking is unsatisfying haven't tried digging deeper. Starbound does have fuckhuge cave systems with neat treasure and ores and stuff inside of them, but unlike Terraria, they rarely seem to be linked to the holes in the surface. I think the game would be better if you didn't *always* have to dig to reach the interesting underground parts. So people check caves linked to the surface, find nothing of interest, and assume the underground is barren. Fortunately, the system Tiy was talking about earlier of making harder monsters and better loot spawn deeper underground will incentiveise digging more.

Last night a cave my group found went about 80% of the way to the core of the planet, and digging slightly at the bottom connected to another cave system that did hit the bottom. We spent probably 2 hours slowly crawling through it and the only thing in terraria that comes close to the complexity is a large world dungeon or maybe a lucky jungle setup. The cave system in this game is amazing. One section even switched to cobble stone and some semi-damaged pillars. Sadly it wasn't some ancient ruined keep but it looked sorta like it.

Rocketlex
Oct 21, 2008

The Manliest Knight
in Caketown

omeg posted:

Yeah, anyone who hates spelunking hates fun. You can find huge fuckoff caverns several screens in size, large mineral veins and +4 level monsters leaping out of the darkness to eat your face off.

I don't like the amount of luck involved in finding a good-sized cave, though. I wish there was something to give me a hint on the direction I should be digging, at least. Some sort of chest-detector would be nice.

Reacean
Nov 29, 2004

My big problem with digging far underground is that there is usually no music, so it can get quite dull to just be spelunking in silence. I'm guessing there's either a missing trigger for the music, or the intended track isn't yet implemented.

MrTheDevious
May 7, 2006

Ahh nostalgia, you cruel bitch
Terraria's one of my favorite games and I avoided reading anything about this beyond "Terraria in Space". Just started playing and it's everything I hoped for and more :allears:

Captain Spoon
Oct 26, 2007

Not actually silverware.

kloa posted:

How does the wiring tool work? I can't seem to drag the colored icons anywhere. Do the eye/hand scanners not work currently?

Not sure if anyone answered you yet, but I believe you just have to be right next to whatever it is you are wiring. Doing it from the normal manipulator distance doesn't work.

e. My home planet was just randomly reset to its default state.

RIP, sugar empire.

Captain Spoon fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Dec 8, 2013

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Mokinokaro posted:

It's mostly the WoW thing. They were involved in a lot of shady dealings to kill competition (like trying to hold copyright claims on any mods hosted by them.)

They've also been accused of rigging sponsored tournaments in LOL and the like through purposely throwing matches and splitting the winnings.

Not just that, they're also responsible for a lot of the shittiness in the Minecraft modding community because of their (not at all based in legality) requirement that people license their mods and whatnot. And, well, there's them harassing Tiy for not making their wiki the official one; them being dicks like that is also common.

Basically they're assholes who encourage their users to be assholes and have done a lot of dubiously legal (at best) things. They're awful. Also most of what they provide is terrible anyway.

Musluk
May 23, 2011



Pakled posted:

It is random. The "coordinates" of every planet acts as the random seed that generates the planet. So everyone will find the same planet if they go to the same coordinates.

It seems it's actually set by the seed number per sector (alpha, beta, gamma, x) in the assets\celestials.config.

In other news, I'm now trying to get the gas giants to have random colors.

Bob NewSCART
Feb 1, 2012

Outstanding afternoon. "I've often said there's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse."

You shouldn't have to just dig down doing absolutely nothing for whatever amount of time to find cool caves and poo poo. That isn't really fun. Also how do I find prisons and towns and stuff like you guys are talking about? Just have to explore for long enough either left or right on a planet?

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


Bob NewSCART posted:

You shouldn't have to just dig down doing absolutely nothing for whatever amount of time to find cool caves and poo poo. That isn't really fun. Also how do I find prisons and towns and stuff like you guys are talking about? Just have to explore for long enough either left or right on a planet?

The caves are pretty densely-packed, there's not a lot of areas that don't have caves in them, and a strong percentage of planets have some kind of civilization on them. The theme from what I've seen seems to be "seek and ye shall find".

DrManiac
Feb 29, 2012

Bob NewSCART posted:

You shouldn't have to just dig down doing absolutely nothing for whatever amount of time to find cool caves and poo poo. That isn't really fun. Also how do I find prisons and towns and stuff like you guys are talking about? Just have to explore for long enough either left or right on a planet?




Pretty much. Every planet seems to have at least a few structures, so just go left or right.



Not now, but I'm pretty sure Tiy said something about having ship to ship combat later on.
VVVV

DrManiac fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Dec 8, 2013

Bloodborne
Sep 24, 2008

Can you do anything with your ship in this game? Upgrades, get new ones, etc? That would be neat.

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

Goonicus posted:

Can you do anything with your ship in this game? Upgrades, get new ones, etc? That would be neat.

Not at the moment. The current beta is the first three tiers which make up the "caveman" tier. There's fragments of higher level content crammed into the fourth sector, but it's just some racial equipment and a couple of different biomes. More sci-fi stuff will be in the later tiers.

Rookersh
Aug 19, 2010
Just found a massive Floran village. The Greenguard eventually just killed me for being "of different cocoon-kin". :allears:

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


Goonicus posted:

Can you do anything with your ship in this game? Upgrades, get new ones, etc? That would be neat.

Right now the most you can do is decorate/remodel the interior, but at the moment everyone's is the same size and shape.

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!

sicarius posted:

I really haven't "followed" the game or anything. I liked Terraria so I chipped in here, I don't really pay attention to reddit/devblogs/etc. It doesn't bother me at all, I actually think it's nifty.
It's merely a good, but not absolute, indicator that someone is getting into this with unrealistic expectations about getting a full game early, when this really is just participating in testing. I mean, I don't see you screaming about missing content and getting angry about poop and sci-fi immersion while the devs have been pretty forthcoming about the tone of the game and their vision for the finished product. Which is what the people I'm talking about do.

I suppose there is some granularity in reactions from "huh, that's actually kinda cool, that means I can share locations of resources and loot without multiplayer" and "they are obviously making all these planets by hand because this is random but not random and space magic" (I am only barely exaggerating on this one).

Pakled posted:

Not to presume things about how other people play the game, but I think maybe some people who are saying that spelunking is unsatisfying haven't tried digging deeper.
Three words: Gravel Cave Surfing.

Goonicus posted:

Can you do anything with your ship in this game? Upgrades, get new ones, etc? That would be neat.
Not much yet, but you CAN be an absurd hoarder.

No alterations to ship, and I've since crammed in four more lockers in the teleporter room. More is possible if I ripped out the door and lights, along with getting more compact crafting stations.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Banking coming in next update. You basically craft big blocks of pixels at a slight loss (but less than dying twice). Kinda neat.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starbound/comments/1sdh0j/hey_guys_i_made_a_mod_to_store_pixels_with_style/

Unhappy Meal
Jul 27, 2010

Some smiles show mirth
Others merely show teeth

Fish Noise posted:

Three words: Gravel Cave Surfing.

It's all fun and games until you hit one of the big caverns and end up falling for several seconds to your doom.

Mice Everywhere
Sep 7, 2007

I love animal porn! So F* you if you don't accept that!

Elendil004 posted:

Banking coming in next update. You basically craft big blocks of pixels at a slight loss (but less than dying twice). Kinda neat.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starbound/comments/1sdh0j/hey_guys_i_made_a_mod_to_store_pixels_with_style/

I hope we can place the blocks so I can make a money bin.

I also hope that the bank machine is moveable since having it right in the middle of the ship ruins my decorating <:mad:>

Miijhal
Jul 10, 2011

I am so tired... I am so tired all the time...

Goonicus posted:

Can you do anything with your ship in this game? Upgrades, get new ones, etc? That would be neat.
You can add NPCs to it, including merchants and the like, but either they aren't permanent or I accidentally stabbed my spacebar's chef somewhere along the way.

Smoremaster
Aug 5, 2009

Don't forget to source your quotes!
Tiy also stated on twitter a few minutes ago that "creature capture" will be in the next patch. I guess this is like taming? Man, I'm really impressed with the speed of development so far. It's pretty nuts.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Mice Everywhere posted:

I hope we can place the blocks so I can make a money bin.

I also hope that the bank machine is moveable since having it right in the middle of the ship ruins my decorating <:mad:>

I want small denominations that act like sand, so I can have a big pit I can jump in like Scroodge McDuck.

chaosapiant
Oct 10, 2012

White Line Fever

Smoremaster posted:

Tiy also stated on twitter a few minutes ago that "creature capture" will be in the next patch. I guess this is like taming? Man, I'm really impressed with the speed of development so far. It's pretty nuts.

I hope in the future there will be a way to catalog/identify creatures, and maybe add them to a log book. I'd also like multiplayer quest sharing, and an option to create your own notes in your journal, or at least a way to record the coordinates of planets you like in game. I want lots of things.

soapydishwater
Feb 11, 2013

definitely not cleansing
I managed to mod the torches to cast shadows. Spelunking feels a lot more atmospheric now.

Imaginary Friend
Jan 27, 2010

Your Best Friend

Aurain posted:

I've passed it on to Molly for you, so they should know about it now.

Oh, cool. Here's a screen of how the blocks should be placed. The first "stair" can go either up or down. I'm not sure if it bugs out on every two block high wall though.


Also, while I'm rambling up bugs. There was one where you lost items if you transfered them with shift+click to a full inventory but I haven't dared to try it out after the last patch.

LibbyM
Dec 7, 2011

Man this Avian tomb is way too big fora game without a map. (as far as I can tell)

Rhjamiz
Oct 28, 2007

LibbyM posted:

Man this Avian tomb is way too big fora game without a map. (as far as I can tell)

Wait till you find the Avian science facility... or whatever the hell it was I found. loving massive techno-pyramid with an expansive underground labyrinth.

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
I read the OP and the last couple pages but this thread moves very very quickly so I apologize if this comes up a lot.

I'm not really interested in using the google doc to jump straight to a specific world, but I'm just dying to find a gun. Just a regular old bang bang gun. Right now I'm wearing iron armor and using a 2 handed sword that lets me feel pretty comfortable out to about TL 5 or 6 (I'm probably very bad at this game.)

So my question is: can anyone give me some low spoiler advice or hints on where I might find a solid projective gun with high damage and low rate of fire (like a shotgun or bolt action rifle) without saying "go to these coordinates"? Are there certain kinds of worlds I should be looking for? I killed a few APEX guards and though they all HAD guns before I killed them, they dropped junk melee weapons.

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


Jack B Nimble posted:

I read the OP and the last couple pages but this thread moves very very quickly so I apologize if this comes up a lot.

I'm not really interested in using the google doc to jump straight to a specific world, but I'm just dying to find a gun. Just a regular old bang bang gun. Right now I'm wearing iron armor and using a 2 handed sword that lets me feel pretty comfortable out to about TL 5 or 6 (I'm probably very bad at this game.)

So my question is: can anyone give me some low spoiler advice or hints on where I might find a solid projective gun with high damage and low rate of fire (like a shotgun or bolt action rifle) without saying "go to these coordinates"? Are there certain kinds of worlds I should be looking for? I killed a few APEX guards and though they all HAD guns before I killed them, they dropped junk melee weapons.

If you ever find an anchor on the ground with a chain going waaaay up, you're underneath an Avian airship. The quartermaster sells guns, that's the most reliable way to get them. Guns are typically much weaker than melee weapons though so they won't do a whole heck of a lot of damage in the way you probably want. They're rebalancing all of the weapons and armor and basically gutting the whole system and replacing it because it's broken and they're doing that this week though so who knows how it'll look in the next couple days.

Zenzirouj
Jun 10, 2004

What about you, thread?
You got any tricks?
There's no better armor that I can make in tier 2 than the steel armor, right? I went to the level 20 planet posted a few pages ago to get myself some guns (I think I should be dual wielding pistols now that I've experimented with my sniper rifle, though) and everything two-shots me. The first hit takes me down to near-zero.

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat

Reiley posted:

If you ever find an anchor on the ground with a chain going waaaay up, you're underneath an Avian airship. The quartermaster sells guns, that's the most reliable way to get them. Guns are typically much weaker than melee weapons though so they won't do a whole heck of a lot of damage in the way you probably want. They're rebalancing all of the weapons and armor and basically gutting the whole system and replacing it because it's broken and they're doing that this week though so who knows how it'll look in the next couple days.

Thats exactly the kind of thing I wanted to know, thanks! Right now I'm just roving the planets that are as high a threat as I feel I can handle, hoping to find either cool dungeons to explore to friendly npcs to barter with. Digging deep and greedily for minerals isn't really my thing.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Zenzirouj posted:

There's no better armor that I can make in tier 2 than the steel armor, right? I went to the level 20 planet posted a few pages ago to get myself some guns (I think I should be dual wielding pistols now that I've experimented with my sniper rifle, though) and everything two-shots me. The first hit takes me down to near-zero.

Nope, steel is it. Armor progression is completely whack right now.

Zenzirouj
Jun 10, 2004

What about you, thread?
You got any tricks?

Oneiros posted:

Nope, steel is it. Armor progression is completely whack right now.

Thought so. I'll just get my pistols akimbo and find a sentient being to try and tear their brain out, then cheese the boss and bid adieu to beta sector.

kloa
Feb 14, 2007


Does anyone have coords for USMC/Apex? I need decorations.

Zenzirouj
Jun 10, 2004

What about you, thread?
You got any tricks?
Ok, well, double pistols was a bad idea. They have no knockback and the higher DPS doesn't come even close to making up for the decreased damage. I was hoping that the 20 armor penetration was gonna be all I need, but nope.

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Scoops
Nov 22, 2005

I was streaming starbound for a friend last night to convince him to buy it and he told me I needed to immediately make a highlight reel of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYud6j4e1-0

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