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sportsgenius86 posted:making a single art film that is 5.5 hours long may be the pinnacle of pretentiousness It really depends on the film. Like maybe it'll be 5.5 hours to tell a story that could be told in 1.5, but maybe every frame is going to be necessary.
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I'd rather watch five hours of Von Trier than the 2.5 hours of garbage most summer blockbusters have been subjecting us to as of the last few years.
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Dec 9, 2013 16:01
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:I like ostentation. Especially since people throw dumb temper tantrums whenever someone says "pretentious" in some form. That's a good one too. I also disagree with the semantic argument that only people can be pretentious.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:I'd rather watch five hours of Von Trier than the 2.5 hours of garbage most summer blockbusters have been subjecting us to as of the last few years. Which is fine. Different strokes for different folks. Nobody is forcing anyone to watch either.
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boom boom boom posted:I can't think of a movie I've seen in the past year that couldn't be helped by losing at least ten minutes. Except Escape Plan, that was pretty tightly done. And Oldboy, which could not be made better except by not existing at all. Man of Steel, at least in some of the beginning.
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Dec 9, 2013 16:52
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When I watched Gravity in the theatre, there was a couple in front of me who clearly thought it was too long. They got up when Sandra Bullock's character gives up in the escape pod, just before Clooney shows up again. They ended up returning to their seats two minutes later. I guess they originally intended to beat the rush of people leaving, which didn't exist because it was an early afternoon showing?
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Dec 9, 2013 18:28
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Mierenneuker posted:When I watched Gravity in the theatre, there was a couple in front of me who clearly thought it was too long. They got up when Sandra Bullock's character gives up in the escape pod, just before Clooney shows up again. They were probably almost out of the door when that spoilered event happened and went back to their seats to see it through.
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Dec 9, 2013 19:02
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Robert Denby posted:Walking through the lobby of a theater near me, I did a huge double take: Angelika? Are you in Dallas? I saw the same thing looking at their website last night and was smitten.
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Dec 9, 2013 20:18
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It's the presumption that an audience will want to watch 5 hours of something you've made that is pretentious. It's twice as bad when it comes from a socially-handicapped pornographer that abuses his cast and once tried to tell the world he had all the rules to "fix" film. e: I'm not calling him a pornographer because of Nymphomaniac, I'm calling him one because he founded a pornography production studio and makes pornography. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zentropa Slim Killington fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Dec 9, 2013 |
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Dec 9, 2013 20:21
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Slim Killington posted:it comes from a socially-handicapped pornographer "Dirty Lars Von's Five-Hour Fuckfest" would probably sell better in the flyover states.
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boom boom boom fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Slim Killington posted:It's the presumption that an audience will want to watch 5 hours of something you've made that is pretentious. But isn't the a presumption every filmmaker has, just to a lesser degree? I mean, yes, he presumes that people will sit through his movie? And? Like how is this a point that has any meaning? Your other point that it's worse because apparently he should realize that he's an awful person is even less sensible.
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I think there's a big difference between artists that are thankful when someone views their work, and those who are presumptuous and expect it. And no, I don't think all artists eventually become the latter. To stay on-topic, it got another new poster (UK) today:  http://www.impawards.com/2013/nymphomaniac_ver20.html
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Dec 9, 2013 20:38
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boom boom boom posted:I think at this point anyone aware of Lars Von Trier is gonna know whether or not they want to watch 5 hours of Lars Von Trier. I would have no problem if it had an half-way break so I could grab more popcorn
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Slim Killington posted:I think there's a big difference between artists that are thankful when someone views their work, and those who are presumptuous and expect it. And no, I don't think all artists eventually become the latter. These posters are amazing.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:These posters are amazing. It's cool that Stellan Skarsgard, unlike everyone else, is clearly actually naked.
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boom boom boom posted:I think at this point anyone aware of Lars Von Trier is gonna know whether or not they want to watch 5 hours of Lars Von Trier. I think it's possible to like Lars Von Trier and still suspect that a five and a half hour movie is a huge warning sign of the extreme self-indulgence that a lot of autuer filmmakers eventually fall into. Not that it won't be a good movie (or movies), of course. I'm amused by this 1898 movie poster that emphasizes the fact that it's copyrighted.  Of course pirates back then were easier to catch since they had to set up a hand cranked camera in the back of the theater and were very noisy. Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Dec 9, 2013 |
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Dec 9, 2013 21:22
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Mierenneuker posted:When I watched Gravity in the theatre, there was a couple in front of me who clearly thought it was too long. They got up when Sandra Bullock's character gives up in the escape pod, just before Clooney shows up again.  Wompa164 posted:Angelika? Are you in Dallas? I saw the same thing looking at their website last night and was smitten. Random Stranger posted:I'm amused by this 1898 movie poster that emphasizes the fact that it's copyrighted.
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Slim Killington posted:It's the presumption that an audience will want to watch 5 hours of something you've made that is pretentious. Presumption and pretension don't mean nearly the same thing you dingus.
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Mr. Squishy posted:Warhol made art films that ran for 8 hours so it's not really the pinnacle either. Seriously: Empire is an 8 hours long single take (save for reel changes), static-camera, slow-motion shot of a building - and owns.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:17
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Robert Denby posted:That movie is 83 minutes long without credits. On what planet is that 'too long' Which is what I found confusing as well. It also means that they would settle for the ending being (again, spoilers for Gravity)someone just giving up and turning off the oxygen, which is pretty drat bleak. Ah well, years ago I was watching One Hour Photo in the theater and a young couple left about 45 minutes in. They ended up returning a half hour later and stayed until the end. Some toilet break that must have been! Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Dec 9, 2013 |
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Dec 9, 2013 22:20
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Slim Killington posted:It's the presumption that an audience will want to watch 5 hours of something you've made that is pretentious. Even without going to the avant-garde, most television shows are more than 5 hours of something someone's made.
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Mierenneuker posted:Which is what I found confusing as well. It also means that they would settle for the ending being (again, spoilers for Gravity)someone just giving up and turning off the oxygen, which is pretty drat bleak. Someone got turned on by watching Robin Williams act like a socially inept creep.
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Dec 9, 2013 22:36
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computer parts posted:Man of Steel, at least in some of the beginning. The entire last hour, if not more, was fighting. Entire scenes could easily have been dropped from that portion, such as the redundant battle with two minions who were basically just weaker and more forgettable clones of the main villain. Or the weird little Daily Planet side story that served no purpose other than to awkwardly evoke 9/11.
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Is it me, or does this look as a giant Paul Walker? There is something about the perspectives that makes my brain think of that.
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He's not near-frame enough to match the field. He's a very confused looking giant, too.
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 Nothing says laughter like Jim Belushi standing perfectly still with his hands in his pockets.
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Young Freud posted:Is this the same like Wentworth Miller from "Prison Break" writing Stoker? I found out recently that Rupert Holmes, of "Escape: The Pina Colada Song" fame, wrote the Colin Firth/Kevin Bacon threesome historical movie Where the Truth Lies. That took me by surprise.
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Ez posted:
The poster is hokey, even for its time, but Mr. Destiny is a fantastic movie.
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Slim Killington posted:He's not near-frame enough to match the field. He's a very confused looking giant, too. Like a man who woke up one morning and he's either suddenly he's a giant, or everything's shrunk.
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That sounds like a very entertaining movie.
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This December, Paul Walker is...Alice in Wonderland.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Seriously: Empire is an 8 hours long single take (save for reel changes), static-camera, slow-motion shot of a building - and owns. Eh. Slim Killington posted:e: I'm not calling him a pornographer because of Nymphomaniac, I'm calling him one because he founded a pornography production studio and makes pornography. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zentropa You don't like porn?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:You don't like porn? I don't like the idea of a cut-rate pornographer saying that pornography is artistic and belongs in legitimate mainstream cinema, and that everybody needs to ascribe to his rules for how to make "pure" film. His particular level of egotism, coupled with how he treats the people that work for him, is what I don't like.
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Slim Killington posted:I don't like the idea of a cut-rate pornographer saying that pornography is artistic and belongs in legitimate mainstream cinema, and that everybody needs to ascribe to his rules for how to make "pure" film. His particular level of egotism, coupled with how he treats the people that work for him, is what I don't like. Next you're going to say how you don't respect the work of Terry Richardson. Pfffft.
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Slim Killington posted:I don't like the idea of a cut-rate pornographer saying that pornography is artistic and belongs in legitimate mainstream cinema. It is and does, though. If you disagree then don't go watch them?
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Did I miss another memo? When did 'pretentious' become another nerdy call to arms? I understood exactly what he meant and I assume 95% of you did too.
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Slim Killington posted:I don't like the idea of a cut-rate pornographer saying that pornography is artistic and belongs in legitimate mainstream cinema, and that everybody needs to ascribe to his rules for how to make "pure" film. His particular level of egotism, coupled with how he treats the people that work for him, is what I don't like. One, don't use the word pretentious and two, LVT isn't a pornographer, let alone a "cut-rate pornographer". It took only 2 minutes of Wikipedia searching to learn that Zentropa was not in fact a production company created wholly to produce porn, it was an off-shoot of Zentropa started and run by a different person entirely. The porn offshoot was run mainly by women, "with the goal of producing hardcore pornographic films for women", which is actually pretty loving cool in my opinion. Unlike you. In total, that company and another offshoot of Zentropa have created a grand total of 5 pornographic films from what I can tell, none of which were directed by Lars Von Trier. In closing, you're terrible.
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So...is this the Nymphomaniac thread or the movie posters thread? Might be a bit http://i.imgur.com/gFgQied.jpg 
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