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Is "natural born citizen" actually an unsettled bit of constitutional law? I always took it to mean you had to be born in a US territory.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 06:32 |
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I think the traditional definition is that a person shall be considered a natural born citizen if they are a White Anglo Saxon Protestant.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 06:36 |
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Autumncomet posted:I don't think there's anything saying dual citizens can't be president either. The US, as a matter of policy, generally doesn't recognize dual citizenship beyond that it exists. There are no laws specifically mentioning it, and only US citizenship is considered when dealing with people who have dual nationality with another country.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 06:43 |
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Atlas Hugged posted:Is "natural born citizen" actually an unsettled bit of constitutional law? I always took it to mean you had to be born in a US territory. The "natural born" part just isn't really specifically defined in the constitution itself and it's only used like that one time, so some people like argue about what it means. Those people aren't generally lawyers because it's pretty well established that "natural born citizen" just means that you were a citizen the the time of birth.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 06:51 |
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In other words it's another example of my high school history teachers having no loving clue what they were talking about.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 06:56 |
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Atlas Hugged posted:In other words it's another example of my high school history teachers having no loving clue what they were talking about.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 06:58 |
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Maybe it means one cannot be president if one was a cesarean section baby as opposed to a natural vaginal birth.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 07:05 |
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Atlas Hugged posted:In other words it's another example of my high school history teachers having no loving clue what they were talking about. Not really, because usually the most common way you have citizenship by birth is by being born in the US.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 07:06 |
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computer parts posted:Not really, because usually the most common way you have citizenship by birth is by being born in the US. Except that's not how it's framed or taught. I was literally taught by multiple people, "You must be born on US soil to be president."
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 07:34 |
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Atlas Hugged posted:Except that's not how it's framed or taught. I was literally taught by multiple people, "You must be born on US soil to be president." More than one GOP politician claimed this and I'm not willing to believe that all of them were self-serving liars. Not even the majority.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 07:40 |
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It's amazing he is literally the only man in history to lose money while owning not one but two casinos.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 07:42 |
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can someone explain the birth certificate to me. If I recall correctly Hawaii has two types of BC and they are not considered public record. Just like how people question whether tupac is dead because you cant get death certificates in Nevada
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 08:08 |
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LP97S posted:It's amazing he is literally the only man in history to lose money while owning not one but two casinos. Seriously, I can't get over this. "The house always wins" is the first rule of casinos. If you go bankrupt running a casino, you are literally the worst businessperson in the world. There are illiterate bookies running out of the shittiest bars or strip clubs imaginable making six figures every year. Sheldon Adelson made his billions from casinos. Donald Trump literally took the most iron-clad money-making machine in recorded human history (short of prostiution) and managed to run it into bankruptcy. Nobody ever calls him out on this. How can you own several casinos and still lose money?
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 09:00 |
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skaboomizzy posted:short of prostiution Nope, neither legal nor illegal prostitution are anywhere near as stable as a casino. Trump is the patron saint of terrible businessmen.
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skaboomizzy posted:Seriously, I can't get over this. "The house always wins" is the first rule of casinos. If you go bankrupt running a casino, you are literally the worst businessperson in the world. There are illiterate bookies running out of the shittiest bars or strip clubs imaginable making six figures every year. Sheldon Adelson made his billions from casinos. In their defense, the casinos probably made money, but Trump funneled all of their income into his failed real estate plans.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 09:41 |
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pentyne posted:In their defense, the casinos probably made money, but Trump funneled all of their income into his failed real estate plans. That still doesn't make Trump a savvy businessman. But then again I'm reminded of that rich kids documentary in which his daughter is interviewed and she talks about back when he was deeply in debt and they walked past a homeless beggar while exiting their million-dollar apartment or whatever and Trump told her something to the effect of how that guy is lucky because while he has nothing, Trump was deeply in debt, aka, has even less than that beggar. His daughter is so proud of dear daddy for getting through that horrible period. Also I think it was her, could be some other spoiled brat, that thought giving money to poor people was just the most hilariously jokey thing to suggest she'd do with the money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xhuSxyHWRw Seriously, all the kids in this video are terrible human beings and should be parted from their wealth post haste. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Dec 14, 2013 |
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Atlas Hugged posted:In other words it's another example of my high school history teachers having no loving clue what they were talking about. Yeah the version I got in high school was that you had to be born on U.S. soil to be eligible for presidency.
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Orange Devil posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xhuSxyHWRw If ever you needed confirmation of Fitzgerald's point about the vacuousness of the rich...
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 14:26 |
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My understanding is that most of Trump's failed businesses only lose other investor's money.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 16:12 |
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max4me posted:Just like how people question whether tupac is dead because you cant get death certificates in Nevada There is a whole wonderful world of stuff behind the Tupac Lives conspiracy, of which the death certificate is only one tiny part. It's a really interesting read if you are interested in a conspiracy theory that isn't actively detrimental to the republic.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 16:38 |
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"Yes, speak more of me. Feed me! Literally anoint me with life energy."
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 17:03 |
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BlackAndRight is a conservative so we can say whatever the gently caress we want you guys Kevin D. Williamson has got you guys number http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/336481/risk-relativism-and-resources-kevin-d-williamson quote:Risk, Relativism, and Resources
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Race Realists posted:BlackAndRight is a conservative so we can say whatever the gently caress we want you guys Yes, rich people certainly do have more financial tools available and a better ability to recover from putting themselves out on a financial limb than the poor and middle-class do.
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# ? Dec 14, 2013 17:29 |
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nm posted:Well, you wouldn't want to actually give up your access to truly universal health care and a good safety net, would you? His wife works at Goldman Sachs, so his healthcare is roughly on par with Golden Age Mount Olympus. ShorStack posted:Maybe it means one cannot be president if one was a cesarean section baby as opposed to a natural vaginal birth.
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Race Realists posted:BlackAndRight is a conservative so we can say whatever the gently caress we want you guys e: They must still be figuring out why we voted Obama on a 3:1 basis while being the ethnic class with the most conservative principles. Acquilae fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Dec 14, 2013 |
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We must kill all the white people. Then we'll be free.
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The Constitution posted:Fear not, America, no man not born of woman shall e'er have power upon thee.
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Orange Devil posted:But then again I'm reminded of that rich kids documentary in which his daughter is interviewed and she talks about back when he was deeply in debt and they walked past a homeless beggar while exiting their million-dollar apartment or whatever and Trump told her something to the effect of how that guy is lucky because while he has nothing, Trump was deeply in debt, aka, has even less than that beggar. His daughter is so proud of dear daddy for getting through that horrible period. Also I think it was her, could be some other spoiled brat, that thought giving money to poor people was just the most hilariously jokey thing to suggest she'd do with the money. Not that I needed multiple aneurysms, but I decided to watch this thing anyway, and a) the Trump quote was even more harebrained: "That [homeless] guy has eight billion dollars more than me;" and b) the woman laughing hysterically at the mere idea of giving a million dollars to the homeless, A&P Supermarket heiress Juliet Hartford, then added after some contemplation, "I just have so few houses, like in the Bahamas and London." To be fair, a few of those kids do seem self-aware and conflicted, even sympathetic. But holy poo poo that Cody Franchetti dude. Every stereotype compacted into one shining quintessence. Quoting Schopenhauer, bitching about proper lapel height. He is smarm incarnate.
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# ? Dec 15, 2013 01:51 |
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On Twitter a bunch of Pro-Lifers have been doing a #PrayToEndAbortion hashtag. Patton Oswalt jokingly tweeted that people should get an #AbortToEndPrayer hashtag going. Anyone with any comprehension at all would have realized that this was not in fact "let's kill religion and have ALL THE ABORTIONS for real in real life because we just love abortions!", but rather "they made a thing, let's make the opposite thing wouldn't that be funny." Erick Son of Erick is apparently a bit slow on the uptake: Erick Erickson posted:Libs on twitter rally around abortion as a means to exterminate the religious. Fitting, given King Herod, etc. fb.me/6xOdkZYIY
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Guilty Spork posted:On Twitter a bunch of Pro-Lifers have been doing a #PrayToEndAbortion hashtag. Patton Oswalt jokingly tweeted that people should get an #AbortToEndPrayer hashtag going. Anyone with any comprehension at all would have realized that this was not in fact "let's kill religion and have ALL THE ABORTIONS for real in real life because we just love abortions!", but rather "they made a thing, let's make the opposite thing wouldn't that be funny." Contrast & compare with Megyn Kelly now claiming her "Santa/Jesus is white" comment was "tongue in cheek". She was joking! OMG can't liberals take a joke?
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# ? Dec 15, 2013 02:27 |
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beatlegs posted:Contrast & compare with Megyn Kelly now claiming her "Santa/Jesus is white" comment was "tongue in cheek". She was joking! OMG can't liberals take a joke?
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Serious question, I m gonna be careful cause in my head its sounds like a troll. I know the religious right loves Israel for messed up reason regarding the ending of the world. I know in the early 20th century jews werent regarded very well, and that after the holocaust there was movement to include jews in our "Judeo Christian heritage" Megyn Kelly is playing to her audience, "Jesus was white" does saying "Jesus was Hebrew AKA jewish" really throw off her perception? cause I thought Jews are now white. Since the only groups bitching about them are neo nazi....oh dear did I just answer my own question?
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# ? Dec 15, 2013 02:51 |
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I have said it before and I will say it again. Fox News is literally a station of and for white supremacists. This Isn't hyperbole or me saying some joke about them being nazis or something. They are quite honestly for the dominance of the white race. Why the hell else would Santa or Jesus' race be up for any type of conversations in the slightest. I know there has been a lot more examples too. It just baffles me that the Highest rated news channel is a white supremacy channel. The_Rob fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Dec 15, 2013 |
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max4me posted:Serious question, I m gonna be careful cause in my head its sounds like a troll. I know the religious right loves Israel for messed up reason regarding the ending of the world. Jews ascended to the pantheon of white people after WW2 when they stopped being an urban proletariat in America, blacks and Mexicans became much scarier minorities than Jews and Catholics, and when Israel started being best buds with the USA and enemies of Communism. Cultural memories / historical opinions of Jews in the USA have more to do with Yiddish speaking immigrants from eastern Europe who came to New York than with Israel, because Israel didn't exist as a Jewish country before 1945. So aside from fading cultural memories of them drat Jews and Catholics in the minds of old WASPy people, there isn't much of that traditional antisemitism left in the culture of the right. So to answer your question no, 'Jesus was Jewish' is not controversial at all today among Megyn Kelly's audience. If anything they consider Israelis to be the only civilized white people among the savage A-rab population of the larger Middle East, regardless of their actual ethnic origins and skin color. If you want to troll right wingers say Jesus was basically Syrian or Lebanese and closely related to modern Arabs, or something similar tying him to Arabs. It's true also and will probably make them really mad because Arabs and Muslims are subhuman to them. edit: vvvvvv There was no joke. She said it to appeal to the Fox's white supremacist audience, and then she denied ever having meant it because you can do that in the post reality era icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Dec 15, 2013 |
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beatlegs posted:Contrast & compare with Megyn Kelly now claiming her "Santa/Jesus is white" comment was "tongue in cheek". She was joking! OMG can't liberals take a joke? What, exactly, was her joke? To me it seemed like she said that without a hint of irony.
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Time to read Zinn posted:What, exactly, was her joke? To me it seemed like she said that without a hint of irony.
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The_Rob posted:It just baffles me that the Highest rated news channel is a white supremacy channel. It shouldn't be too baffling, there's an immense market for it.
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Lycus posted:apparently she sincerely thought Jesus was white ...and may I say, America's sexiest journalist
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Von Sloneker posted:Not that I needed multiple aneurysms, but I decided to watch this thing anyway, and a) the Trump quote was even more harebrained: "That [homeless] guy has eight billion dollars more than me;" and b) the woman laughing hysterically at the mere idea of giving a million dollars to the homeless, A&P Supermarket heiress Juliet Hartford, then added after some contemplation, "I just have so few houses, like in the Bahamas and London." The guy who created the documentary, Jamie Johnson, is the only person who in either of his films manages to come across as someone genuinely bothered by his wealth and confused as how to deal with it. He talks about how his 18th birthday was spent with him signing massive amounts of legal documents, drawing up a will, forming trusts and various accounts, etc. He ended up giving up on school and worked on an oil rig for 6 months before going back to resuming his wealthy life. The follow-up, The One Percent, he interviews a lot more and actually landed one of Milton Friedman's last interviews, though Friedman dismissed everything Johnson said and then accused him of advocating socialism and stormed out. Johnson really isn't the most eloquent or intelligent film-maker, but no one else really had the personal connections or prestige to get a hold of most of those billionaire heirs/heiress and get them on camera revealing how they really feel about their wealth.
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Guilty Spork posted:Admittedly I only saw the clips as they were presented on the Daily Show and Colbert Report, but Kelly came off as extremely serious and non-jokey when she said that. If she did in fact mean it as a joke, as far as I can tell she managed a wholly un-joke-like delivery, to a degree that would be hard to manage on purpose. I'm guessing almost every single kid you'd ask would call these two guys "Santa". On the white Jesus part, the first thing that popped into my mind was Huey Freeman: Huey Freeman posted:Excuse me. Everyone, I have a brief announcement to make. Jesus was black, Ronald Reagan was the devil, and the government is lying about 9-11. Thank you for your time and good night.
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