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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Eponymouse posted:

:lol:

So to my understanding, radical centrists are the kind of milquetoast libertarians who nod thoughtfully at TED talks.

And then vomit grammatically correct word salads out in essay form.

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Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Eponymouse posted:

I've never heard of Thomas Friedman, so I looked him up and according to his Wikipedia he is a supporter of "radical centrism". Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

The thing you have to know about Freidman is that his "radical centrism" makes him highly respected in BosWash policy circles. He's had multiple private meetings to discuss strategy with the last three Presidents. This is because he's perfected the art of parroting the policy consensus using writing that's so bad that nobody can tell he's got no idea what he's talking about.

Here's the classic Taibbi takedown.

quote:

Remember Friedman’s take on Bush’s Iraq policy? “It’s OK to throw out your steering wheel,” he wrote, “as long as you remember you’re driving without one.” Picture that for a minute. Or how about Friedman’s analysis of America’s foreign policy outlook last May:

The first rule of holes is when you’re in one, stop digging.When you’re in three, bring a lot of shovels.”

First of all, how can any single person be in three holes at once? Secondly, what the gently caress is he talking about? If you’re supposed to stop digging when you’re in one hole, why should you dig more in three? How does that even begin to make sense? It’s stuff like this that makes me wonder if the editors over at the New York Times editorial page spend their afternoons dropping acid or drinking rubbing alcohol. Sending a line like that into print is the journalism equivalent of a security guard at a nuke plant waving a pair of mullahs in explosive vests through the front gate. It should never, ever happen.

But yeah, your summary of him as a Libertarian who nods at TED talks is spot on.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Taibbi really should be the only person allowed to take down Friedman and it should be an annual ritual like the Raspberry Awards or whatever. Sadly, marriage has softened him up quite a bit.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Eponymouse posted:

:lol:

So to my understanding, radical centrists are the kind of milquetoast libertarians who nod thoughtfully at TED talks.

I love this imagery. You could replace TED talk with the Joe Rogan podcast and it works just as well!

Occupy Japan
Feb 4, 2005

I've spent so much time clopping to fillies that my joints have locked up!

I don't know about you guys but I personally can't wait until, on the first day of the next president's term, Donald Trump reveals that his experts have discovered that Obama was a citizen all along. He will then peel off his Donald Trump mask to reveal Donald Trump underneath it and then slowly fade from existence, his mission accomplished; content in the knowledge that he successfully trolled everyone on earth as his consciousness slips back into the void from whence it came.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

HJE-Cobra posted:

Here's some hard-hitting journalism from well-known news source Kotaku. Seems a Florida Tea Party facebook page posted on their wall an image from the game Bioshock Infinite!

http://kotaku.com/tea-party-facebook-group-posts-bioshock-image-satirizin-1483821325

It says "It is our holy duty to guard against the foreign hordes" on it, and is a liiiitle crazy and racist. I mean, that was the point of the image in Bioshock Infinite, but that some Florida Tea Party group posts it on their Facebook wall unironically?

(One of the "foreign hordes" in the image is a Native American, hah)
Is satire just impossible these days?

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

Eponymouse posted:

:lol:

So to my understanding, radical centrists are the kind of milquetoast libertarians who nod thoughtfully at TED talks.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
CBS decided that while everyone was distracted beating them up over their spectacularly bad NSA piece, they'd announce that Lara Logan's suspension was over.

Acquilae
May 15, 2013

Lycus posted:

Is satire just impossible these days?
I think it's dependent on your political beliefs; there was a little college survey done a few years ago where conservatives were less likely to believe that Stephen Colbert was actually making fun of them:

quote:

Additionally, there was no significant difference between the groups in thinking Colbert was funny, but conservatives were more likely to report that Colbert only pretends to be joking and genuinely meant what he said while liberals were more likely to report that Colbert used satire and was not serious when offering political statements. Conservatism also significantly predicted perceptions that Colbert disliked liberalism.
source: http://hij.sagepub.com/content/14/2/212.abstract

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
It's like right-wingers know that it's a joke, and it's funny, and that pisses them off to no end that they are being made fun of, so rather than conceding they are wrong (this cannot happen) the only thing remaining in their power is to literally stake out the satirical position with a kind of gleeful, malevolent one-upmanship.

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Is he supposed to be making fun of them for laughing at his joke at the expense of conservatives because those jokes clearly make no sense since conservatives are clearly right? That is really loving confusing.

qwertyman
May 2, 2003

Congress gave me $3.1 trillion, which I already spent on extremely dangerous drugs. We had acid, cocaine, and a whole galaxy of uppers, downers, screamers, laughers, and amyls.

Radish posted:

I wonder when they'll post this one.



Paul F. Tompkins no!

A Neurotic Jew
Feb 17, 2012

by exmarx
I am at a loss after reading David Brooks' enigmatic op-ed piece detailing the existential dimension of todays Thought Leaders:

quote:

Little boys and girls in ancient Athens grew up wanting to be philosophers. In Renaissance Florence they dreamed of becoming Humanists. But now a new phrase and a new intellectual paragon has emerged to command our admiration: The Thought Leader.

The Thought Leader is sort of a highflying, good-doing yacht-to-yacht concept peddler. Each year, he gets to speak at the Clinton Global Initiative, where successful people gather to express compassion for those not invited. Month after month, he gets to be a discussion facilitator at think tank dinners where guests talk about what it’s like to live in poverty while the wait staff glides through the room thinking bitter thoughts.

...

In the end, though, a lifetime of bullet points are replaced by foreboding. Toward the end of his life the Thought Leader is regularly engaging in a phenomenon known as the powerless lunch. He and another formerly prominent person gather to have a portentous conversation of no importance whatsoever. In the fading of the light, he is gravely concerned about the way everything is going to hell.

Still, one rarely finds an octogenarian with status anxiety. He is beyond the battle for attention. Death approaches. Cruelly, it smells like reverence.

Who would be an example of a "thought leader"? Is this meant to be a critique of a specific person, a specific type of person, a general critique of modernity? And are Brooks' pieces usually this peppered with ennui or is that only a post-ACA rollout thing?

the NYT op-ed gallery of rogues are just insufferable.

A Neurotic Jew fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Dec 17, 2013

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Sounds like David Brooks didn't get invited to the Clinton Global Initiative this year and he's mad.

There's definitely a type of person that article is talking about but loving David Brooks (who recently finished teaching a course at Yale titled Humility) is the last person who should be complaining about it. If you want a good parody of the CGI / Davos / Aspen Ideas / TED set, check out Prof. Jeff Jarvis. He's a thinkfluencer.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

A Neurotic Jew posted:

the NYT op-ed gallery of rogues are just insufferable.

Gail Collins is a national treasure. :catbert:

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

Joementum posted:

Sounds like David Brooks didn't get invited to the Clinton Global Initiative this year and he's mad.

There's definitely a type of person that article is talking about but loving David Brooks (who recently finished teaching a course at Yale titled Humility) is the last person who should be complaining about it. If you want a good parody of the CGI / Davos / Aspen Ideas / TED set, check out Prof. Jeff Jarvis. He's a thinkfluencer.
And Fake Jeff Jarvis 2.0. Brooks complaining about that is pretty rich, yeah.

I didn't get to be a thought leader this year :frownyface: NO FAIR.

ufarn
May 30, 2009
Sadly, many thinkfluencers have gone on to become trollfluencers, like Douthat and Dowd.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Sword of Chomsky posted:

I love this imagery. You could replace TED talk with the Joe Rogan podcast and it works just as well!

I'm not sure Thomas Friedman smokes enough weed for Joe Rogan honestly. Maybe he talks to enough Jamaican cab drivers to make up for it.

Swan Oat
Oct 9, 2012

I was selected for my skill.
Thomas Friedman was also the guy who went on Charlie Rose and declared the existence of a terrorism bubble that needed to be popped, by America, and that once we used our stick to pop the bubble we are going to tell the terrorists to "suck on this", in order to justify the Iraq war.

A fine moment in American journalism, to be sure.

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.
I have to bring this wonderful response to a deferment extension up to my wonderful state legislature. How exactly is removing aid to secondary education cutting spending if the people you provide loans to cannot pay them back anyway because the job market is terrible and you literally collect nothing from the loan? Maybe I should try to get a call into rush over this and see what sort of moronic mental gymnastics he has to go through to justify it.

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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Joementum posted:

CBS decided that while everyone was distracted beating them up over their spectacularly bad NSA piece, they'd announce that Lara Logan's suspension was over.
Of course they did. It really drives me nuts how in such a short amount of time they've destroyed the show's reputation.

pangstrom
Jan 25, 2003

Wedge Regret
I agree with Alex Pareene and think that Brooks column is a result of his being around smart undergrads. It's part him looking at young-uns and part him feeling old and yeah other than "you strive for relevance and as it fades it's replaced by indifference" it doesn't have a discernable thesis.

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR
Unarmed black teens isn't the only thing Georgie Z is murdering.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/george-zimmerman-paints-230758692.html


Him and Bush can open up a studio together.

kik2dagroin
Mar 23, 2007

Use the anger. Use it.

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Unarmed black teens isn't the only thing Georgie Z is murdering.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/george-zimmerman-paints-230758692.html


Him and Bush can open up a studio together.
Limbaugh is coincidentally going on a rant about how Bush the Lesser is becoming trendy with hipsters because everyone is forgetting how terrible a President he was due to BuzzFeed and his cat paintings. Limbaugh obviously doesn't understand how reviled hipsters are, among a vast many other things.

Zero_Grade
Mar 18, 2004

Darktider 🖤🌊

~Neck Angels~

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Unarmed black teens isn't the only thing Georgie Z is murdering.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/george-zimmerman-paints-230758692.html


Him and Bush can open up a studio together.
Merchandising, merchandising!

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

kik2dagroin posted:

Limbaugh is coincidentally going on a rant about how Bush the Lesser is becoming trendy with hipsters because everyone is forgetting how terrible a President he was due to BuzzFeed and his cat paintings. Limbaugh obviously doesn't understand how reviled hipsters are, among a vast many other things.

Hipsters are to white twentysomethings as welfare queens are to minorities with children.

Bunleigh
Jun 6, 2005

by exmarx
That Brooks piece makes me think he's really starting to think he's wasted his life. I don't know how else to read it.

edit: one of Charlie Pierce's commenters suggests it could be a suicide note, which also seems plausible.

Bunleigh fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Dec 17, 2013

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
Did you see his latest work?

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Unarmed black teens isn't the only thing Georgie Z is murdering.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/george-zimmerman-paints-230758692.html


Him and Bush can open up a studio together.

I like how "One Nation" is placed vertically below the word "God" because if you think about it, it's really saying one nation under god.

Makes u think...

quiggy
Aug 7, 2010

[in Russian] Oof.


Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Unarmed black teens isn't the only thing Georgie Z is murdering.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/george-zimmerman-paints-230758692.html

Him and Bush can open up a studio together.

The best part of this is:



:allears:

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
HAND PAINTED (in an alternate universe or in his mind).

E: hand painted as in... He used his hands to apply photoshop filters? I'm confused.

Mitchicon
Nov 3, 2006

Phone posted:

HAND PAINTED (in an alternate universe or in his mind).

E: hand painted as in... He used his hands to apply photoshop filters? I'm confused.

Don't you have to use your hands in MSpaint? It's not like it's voice command.

quiggy
Aug 7, 2010

[in Russian] Oof.


Phone posted:

HAND PAINTED (in an alternate universe or in his mind).

E: hand painted as in... He used his hands to apply photoshop filters? I'm confused.

I'm fairly certain he did actually paint it, the ripples in the flag are just a little bit off from one another. It's pretty blatantly copied off of the stock photo, however.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


I'm hoping the hundred grand is just jokesters since seriously it's enough that you can make a living saying loathsome things to appeal to racist shitbags with persecution complexes, but upping the ante to murdering kids and making large sums of cash off it is just beyond the pale.

The Rokstar
Aug 19, 2002

by FactsAreUseless
It's okay though, once whoever owns that stock photo sues the pants off him he won't make anything from this anyway.

BJA
Apr 11, 2006

It has to start somewhere
It has to start sometime
What better place than here
What better time than now
Starting to think the conservatives still believe in santa

curried lamb of God
Aug 31, 2001

we are all Marwinners
Do professional trolls count as right-wing media? Because here's Camille Paglia:

quote:

If men are obsolete, then women will soon be extinct — unless we rush down that ominous Brave New World path where women clone themselves by parthenogenesis, as famously do Komodo dragons, hammerhead sharks and pit vipers.

A peevish, grudging rancor against men has been one of the most unpalatable and unjust features of second- and third-wave feminism. Men’s faults, failings and foibles have been seized on and magnified into gruesome bills of indictment. Ideologue professors at our leading universities indoctrinate impressionable undergraduates with carelessly fact-free theories alleging that gender is an arbitrary, oppressive fiction with no basis in biology.

Is it any wonder that so many high-achieving young women, despite all the happy talk about their academic success, find themselves in the early stages of their careers in chronic uncertainty or anxiety about their prospects for an emotionally fulfilled private life? When an educated culture routinely denigrates masculinity and manhood, then women will be perpetually stuck with boys, who have no incentive to mature or to honor their commitments. And without strong men as models to either embrace or (for dissident lesbians) to resist, women will never attain a centered and profound sense of themselves as women.

From my long observation, which predates the sexual revolution, this remains a serious problem afflicting Anglo-American society, with its Puritan residue. In France, Italy, Spain, Latin America and Brazil, in contrast, many ambitious professional women seem to have found a formula for asserting power and authority in the workplace while still projecting sexual allure and even glamour. This is the true feminine mystique, which cannot be taught but flows from an instinctive recognition of sexual differences. In today’s punitive atmosphere of sentimental propaganda about gender, the sexual imagination has understandably fled into the alternate world of online pornography, where the rude but exhilarating forces of primitive nature rollick unconstrained by religious or feminist moralism.

(MORE: Women in Federal Workforce Face More Obstacles Than Men)

It was always the proper mission of feminism to attack and reconstruct the ossified social practices that had led to wide-ranging discrimination against women. But surely it was and is possible for a progressive reform movement to achieve that without stereotyping, belittling or demonizing men. History must be seen clearly and fairly: obstructive traditions arose not from men’s hatred or enslavement of women but from the natural division of labor that had developed over thousands of years during the agrarian period and that once immensely benefited and protected women, permitting them to remain at the hearth to care for helpless infants and children. Over the past century, it was labor-saving appliances, invented by men and spread by capitalism, that liberated women from daily drudgery.

What is troubling in too many books and articles by feminist journalists in the U.S. is, despite their putative leftism, an implicit privileging of bourgeois values and culture. The particular focused, clerical and managerial skills of the upper-middle-class elite are presented as the highest desideratum, the ultimate evolutionary point of humanity. Yes, there has been a gradual transition from an industrial to a service-sector economy in which women, who generally prefer a safe, clean, quiet work environment thrive.

But the triumphalism among some — like Hanna Rosin in her book, The End of Men, about women’s gains — seems startlingly premature. For instance, Rosin says of the sagging fortunes of today’s working-class couples that they and we had “reached the end of a hundred thousand years of human history and the beginning of a new era, and there was no going back.” This sweeping appeal to history somehow overlooks history’s far darker lessons about the cyclic rise and fall of civilizations, which as they become more complex and interconnected also become more vulnerable to collapse. The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.

After the next inevitable apocalypse, men will be desperately needed again! Oh, sure, there will be the odd gun-toting Amazonian survivalist gal, who can rustle game out of the bush and feed her flock, but most women and children will be expecting men to scrounge for food and water and to defend the home turf. Indeed, men are absolutely indispensable right now, invisible as it is to most feminists, who seem blind to the infrastructure that makes their own work lives possible. It is overwhelmingly men who do the dirty, dangerous work of building roads, pouring concrete, laying bricks, tarring roofs, hanging electric wires, excavating natural gas and sewage lines, cutting and clearing trees, and bulldozing the landscape for housing developments. It is men who heft and weld the giant steel beams that frame our office buildings, and it is men who do the hair-raising work of insetting and sealing the finely tempered plate-glass windows of skyscrapers 50 stories tall.

Every day along the Delaware River in Philadelphia, one can watch the passage of vast oil tankers and towering cargo ships arriving from all over the world. These stately colossi are loaded, steered and off-loaded by men. The modern economy, with its vast production and distribution network, is a male epic, in which women have found a productive role — but women were not its author. Surely, modern women are strong enough now to give credit where credit is due!

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

kik2dagroin posted:

Limbaugh is coincidentally going on a rant about how Bush the Lesser is becoming trendy with hipsters because everyone is forgetting how terrible a President he was due to BuzzFeed and his cat paintings.

I happened to catch this load of poo poo too. Apparently, Bush is cool now because before Mandela died none of the people who hated W were aware that he gave a lot of money towards eradicating AIDS in Africa. I'm not sure who Rush is referring to because I knew that.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
I knew that but mostly in the bizzaro world context where Africa is the only place that genuinely loves the guy. I don't blame them, and I don't blame him for wanting to hang out there a lot.

But yeah Rush, those skilled paintings are setting the incredibly earnest and never sarcastic world of hipsterism on fire. Surely the long attention spans and noted loyalty of that subset will carry him on to the gilded pages of histories most beloved presidents.

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mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009

Phone posted:

HAND PAINTED (in an alternate universe or in his mind).

E: hand painted as in... He used his hands to apply photoshop filters? I'm confused.

The Rokstar posted:

It's okay though, once whoever owns that stock photo sues the pants off him he won't make anything from this anyway.

Legitimate, professional painters use source images all the time. This is a super dumb criticism and no one is going to be able to sue him for it.

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