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the bsd boys: Aug 8, 2011; Can't post for 349 days!

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# ? Dec 13, 2013 23:49

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 16:02

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

while i normally don't care for c++, writing "robust"ish C code does my head in because it invariably boils down to

code:

int whatever(...)
{
    int err;

    if (err = thing1(...)) {
        goto thing1_fail;
    }

    if (err = thing2(...)) {
        goto thing2_fail;
    }

    if (err = thing3(...)) {
        goto thing3_fail;
    }

    if (err = thing4(...)) {
        goto thing4_fail;
    }

    return 0;

thing4_fail:
    unwind_thing3(...);

thing3_fail:
    unwind_thing2(...);

thing2_fail:
    unwind_thing1(...);

thing1_fail:
    return err;
}

ad infinitum as opposed to just

code:

thing1(...);
thing2(...);
thing3(...);

it gets particularly fun when there's any sort of actual non-error-related flow control involved

on the other hand wrapping everything in transactional raii wrappers is its own special flavour of merry hell and probably actually comes out to more LoC on balance so idk

this is why i try to write my poo poo in a managed language where possible

Sapozhnik fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Dec 14, 2013

# ? Dec 14, 2013 15:01

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

Mr Dog posted:

on the other hand wrapping everything in transactional raii wrappers is its own special flavour of merry hell and probably actually comes out to more LoC on balance so idk

You can do something like

C++ code:

auto handle1 = std::unique_ptr<int, unwind_thing1_if_err>(thing1(...));

which is reasonably concise.

# ? Dec 14, 2013 18:00

SavageMessiah: Jan 28, 2009; Emotionally drained and spookified; Toilet Rascal

Zombywuf posted:

You can do something like
C++ code:
auto handle1 = std::unique_ptr<int, unwind_thing1_if_err>(thing1(...));
which is reasonably concise.

I had to use a c api from c++11 recently and used that
it was pretty sweet

# ? Dec 14, 2013 18:07

Max Facetime: Apr 18, 2009

SavageMessiah posted:

I had to use a c api from c++11 recently and used that
it was pretty sweet

i'm not instantly familiar with the syntax, but doesn't that leave an unused handle1 variable in scope? which then gets removed as part of whitespace and code formatting and other automatic clean ups while going into your source control if you've set it up right?

# ? Dec 14, 2013 19:45

Vanadium: Jan 8, 2005

Max Facetime posted:

i'm not instantly familiar with the syntax, but doesn't that leave an unused handle1 variable in scope? which then gets removed as part of whitespace and code formatting and other automatic clean ups while going into your source control if you've set it up right?

handle1 is usually not unused since you probably want to cancel the unwinding on the non-error return path manually, but in this case you should probably just fix your "clean ups" if they break idiomatic C++ code.

# ? Dec 14, 2013 19:50

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

yosproject: complete the c++ grandmaster challenge but do it entirely with bash/coreutils/sed

# ? Dec 14, 2013 20:25

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

should the thread title be updated? i'm pretty sure ruby and javascript are both more hipstery than python these days

# ? Dec 15, 2013 04:06

double sulk: Jul 2, 2010

ruby isn't hipster any more

# ? Dec 15, 2013 04:27

Brave GNU World: Nov 1, 2013; by Cyrano4747

it should be node.js

# ? Dec 15, 2013 08:29

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

if microsoft supports it is it really hipster enough though?

# ? Dec 17, 2013 01:24

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Dessert Rose posted:

if microsoft supports it is it really hipster enough though?

when microsoft starts supporting it, it is dying

see: php

# ? Dec 17, 2013 01:28

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

when microsoft starts supporting it, it is dying

see: php

so it's on the way to becoming hipster, got it

# ? Dec 17, 2013 01:33

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

I taught a kid some javascript doing a substitution cipher and I guess she really liked it. today she showed me like this 200 lines code to make the ultimate cipher made of other ciphers and you type "lol" and it becomes a buncha tamil characters or some poo poo.

# ? Dec 17, 2013 03:23

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Dessert Rose posted:

so it's on the way to becoming hipster, got it

only if its on windows

# ? Dec 17, 2013 03:45

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

On 12/16/2013 07:30 PM, Rowan Collins wrote:

> The core functions which follow neither rule include C-style
> abbreviations like "strptime" which couldn't be automatically swapped to
> either format, and complete anomalies like "nl2br". If you named those
> functions as part of a consistent style, you would probably also follow
> stronger naming conventions than Rasmus did when he named
> "htmlspecialchars".

Well, there were other factors in play there. htmlspecialchars was a
very early function. Back when PHP had less than 100 functions and the
function hashing mechanism was strlen(). In order to get a nice hash
distribution of function names across the various function name lengths
names were picked specifically to make them fit into a specific length
bucket. This was circa late 1994 when PHP was a tool just for my own
personal use and I wasn't too worried about not being able to remember
the few function names.

-Rasmus

# ? Dec 17, 2013 07:31

Tiny Bug Child: Sep 11, 2004; Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

nordic dreamboat and god-tier sperg-riler

# ? Dec 17, 2013 07:47

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

eevee 4 hours ago | link
Conversely, I wonder how much time/money has been spent porting away from PHP, or working on stuff like hiphop?

I don't have an estimate, but it's an interesting question if you're going to argue in terms of economic impact.

# ? Dec 17, 2013 10:03

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

hip-hop programming language

# ? Dec 17, 2013 10:03

SavageMessiah: Jan 28, 2009; Emotionally drained and spookified; Toilet Rascal

Luigi Thirty posted:

Back when PHP had less than 100 functions and the
function hashing mechanism was strlen(). In order to get a nice hash
distribution of function names across the various function name lengths
names were picked specifically to make them fit into a specific length
bucket.

rasssssmmuuuuusssss

# ? Dec 17, 2013 17:17

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

"composition vs. inheritance" is basically preferring higher normal forms but in oo languages instead of sql

# ? Dec 17, 2013 18:45

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

composition vs inheritance is wishy-woshy informal bullshit that stems from the fact that oo is arbitrary garbage

just give me function overloading (i.e. not methods) with dynamic dispatch idgaf about all the other poo poo

# ? Dec 17, 2013 18:49

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Symbolic Butt posted:

I taught a kid some javascript doing a substitution cipher and I guess she really liked it. today she showed me like this 200 lines code to make the ultimate cipher made of other ciphers and you type "lol" and it becomes a buncha tamil characters or some poo poo.

nice!

kids are great

# ? Dec 17, 2013 19:04

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

Yeah, you know what I was saying about the NSA just throwing money at companies?

/smug

# ? Dec 20, 2013 23:30

Deacon of Delicious: Aug 20, 2007; I bet the twist ending is Dracula's dick-babies

Zombywuf posted:

Yeah, you know what I was saying about the NSA just throwing money at companies?

/smug

# ? Dec 21, 2013 00:32

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

rip this thread

# ? Dec 31, 2013 21:08

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

rip im sorry

# ? Dec 31, 2013 21:21

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

tef i liked your tweets about pg but it felt like pissing into the wind. are you mad a lot irl?

# ? Dec 31, 2013 21:24

power botton: Nov 2, 2011

Posting Principle posted:

tef i liked your tweets about pg but it felt like pissing into the wind. are you mad a lot irl?

no and fishmech isnt autistic irl either

# ? Dec 31, 2013 21:25

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

fishmech is still alive?

# ? Dec 31, 2013 21:44

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Otto Skorzeny posted:

fishmech is still alive?

he's Install Windows

# ? Dec 31, 2013 22:04

skeevy achievements: Feb 25, 2008; by merry exmarx

I was just about to say the same thing about tef but he's git clone trooper now?

I miss the simple times when tef had shaggar's av and shaggar had tbc's av and tbc had tef's av

# ? Dec 31, 2013 22:12

power botton: Nov 2, 2011

lol ur all dumb

# ? Dec 31, 2013 22:21

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Internaut! posted:

I was just about to say the same thing about tef but he's git clone trooper now?

I miss the simple times when tef had shaggar's av and shaggar had tbc's av and tbc had tef's av

the good old days

# ? Dec 31, 2013 22:39

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

git clone trooper posted:

no and fishmech isnt autistic irl either

i don't believe this for one second

# ? Dec 31, 2013 22:40

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

I thought "oh nice the thread is alive" but welp. Happy new year, PL thread.

# ? Dec 31, 2013 22:55

Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

emacs may have a package for anything but half the time the package just completely sucks and if it's less than like 300LOC rather than customizing it to do just what you want you're probably better off writing one from scratch

i am given to understand that lisp in general is like that

# ? Dec 31, 2013 23:11

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Opinion Haver posted:

emacs may have a package for anything but half the time the package just completely sucks and if it's less than like 300LOC rather than customizing it to do just what you want you're probably better off writing one from scratch

i am given to understand that lisp in general is like that

common lisp has this syndrome much worse than emacs does

# ? Dec 31, 2013 23:17

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

MononcQc posted:

I thought "oh nice the thread is alive" but welp. Happy new year, PL thread.

hello mr erlang man is chicago boss any good

# ? Jan 1, 2014 03:04

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 16:02

JewKiller 3000: Nov 28, 2006; by Lowtax

Mr Dog posted:

composition vs inheritance is wishy-woshy informal bullshit that stems from the fact that oo is arbitrary garbage

just give me function overloading (i.e. not methods) with dynamic dispatch idgaf about all the other poo poo

if a function that can be overloaded and supports dynamic dispatch is not a method, what is a method?

you can't claim in the same post that oop is arbitrary garbage and then insist on the core feature of oop

# ? Jan 1, 2014 03:51

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