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Viconia's got that lovely 19 dex and the magic resistance is pretty much amazing. Anomen's a much better frontliner but if you're looking for a full time stand-in-the-back divine spellcaster I think Viconia edges him out. Subjectivity enters the picture here because until I met Neera Anomen was the only NPC in BG2 that I found insufferable. That's kind of the theme of vanilla BG2 characters, really; the Good and Neutral folks are much better at filling multiple roles while the Evil guys are optimized and focused on doing a single role super duper well.
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I prefer Anomen over Viconia, who cares about 2 extra spells and some magic resistance when you can have Anomen wreck poo poo in the frontlines with his improved THAC0 and attacks/round? Also, the evil version of turn undead is kinda meh, most of the time I just want to destroy the buggers instead of control them. Viconia's magic resistance is too much hit/miss for me to be a dependable asset. Also, in BG2EE Viconia cannot cast Holy Smite anymore, but only the evil version (Unholy Blight), which is kinda useless in this game unfortunately. Too bad Anomen is the most annoying NPC in the game.
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If you're save scumming a Wild Mage to get the results you want, why are you using a Wild Mage?
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I decided I want to play BG2 with the best characters personality / banter / story whatever wise. So of course I am taking Jan. I am not sure where to go after that. I have never used Haer'Dalis so I am thinking of taking him along. I have used Korgan/Edwin/Minsc countless times so would like to not take them. I am using the tweak so npc's never fight with each other so the field is wide open. Anyone have some suggestions? Combat ability is not a major concern.
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Always bet on Jaheira. PS Jan is the worst character in the game not named Neera
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Dec 29, 2013 00:56
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I love Jan though. Guess you don't like his vegetable peddling ways.
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Jan and Grobnar are two of the most unfunny garbage characters in CRPGs. Kill all gnomes.
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Exotic Item Pack is probably the culprit.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Jan and Grobnar are two of the most unfunny garbage characters in CRPGs.
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rope kid posted:RIP Maralie Fiddlebender. Don't be silly Ropekid, Maralie is a disembodied voice not a gnome.
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Wow i am getting destroyed at the start of baldurs gate 1. I picked up Khalid and Jaheria as well as Xzar/Moration(SP?). Only to watch most of my party die to a single wolf. What am i doing wrong? I don't remember this being anywhere near this hard before.
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UberJumper posted:Wow i am getting destroyed at the start of baldurs gate 1. I picked up Khalid and Jaheria as well as Xzar/Moration(SP?). Only to watch most of my party die to a single wolf. I seem to recall there being a Vampiric Wolf in a certain otherwise unremarkable area. You didn't stumble across him did you? Because a normal wolf should be a chump.
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Minsc is a rather limited one-trick pony, but Jan plays off the other characters better.quote:Jan- So Viconia, I suppose you must be a drow, eh?
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Captain Oblivious posted:I seem to recall there being a Vampiric Wolf in a certain otherwise unremarkable area. You didn't stumble across him did you? Because a normal wolf should be a chump. It was a "Dire Wolf", he just ran up and one shotted my PC.
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UberJumper posted:It was a "Dire Wolf", he just ran up and one shotted my PC. That would be why yeah. A dire wolf is a bit out of the pay grade of a bunch of level 1 chump asses with poo poo gear.
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Corvinus posted:Minsc is a rather limited one-trick pony, but Jan plays off the other characters better. You cannot convince me the canon BG2 party doesn't have Jan in it. Seriously, I don't care what some stupid book said, the canon party has Jan in it. e: If you want some "good rarely used characters" might I suggest Mazzy? She's literally unkillable in ToB if you grab Hardiness, is voiced by fan favorite VA Hale, and has some great dialogue with all other party members. ee: Honestly, the "best" party I've ever run was Jan/Mazzy/Keldorn/Valygar/Anomen with a Wild Mage PC. Jan has lines trolling every single party member, so he's a given. Mazzy works well off both the PC, Valygar, Keldorn, and Anomen, and has a few bits with Jan. Keldorn/Anomen/Mazzy have the whole paladins/clerics/fuckups arc going on, which is more important then most banters end up being. And Valygar ends up trying to get some pointers from Keldorn. It works -fairly- well for a party with a good amount of banter in it. For a sillier party, take Viconia and go remove the reputation issue with EEKeeper so she won't leave at max rep, and remove the Keldorn/Viconia fight. Then do Viconia, Keldorn, Jan, Mazzy, and one other. Rookersh fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Dec 29, 2013 |
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Captain Oblivious posted:It is kind of comical the extent to which BG2 does not accommodate an evil PC in the least. Even the rare quest with an alternate evil path like Trademeet pretty much goes "gently caress you you did it wrong have a reduced reward. Do it right next time". Eh, evil PCs can build the best parties and get a lot of bonus experience from killing people you don't normally kill if you're good. If you don't take advantage of the latter, then... I don't really know what to tell you.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Don't be silly Ropekid, Maralie is a disembodied voice not a gnome. http://youtu.be/CCNmq6dJZeg?t=8m6s
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rope kid posted:She is real, strong, and my friend. ...how did I not notice Oswald and Jan have the same voice actor before now? 
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Excelzior posted:...how did I not notice Oswald and Jan have the same voice actor before now? Not only that, one of the IWD2 voice packs uses the same voice actor too. "My cunning is so strong, my savvy great. While I laugh and jest, you'll meet your fate!"
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Jan is a pretty hilarious foil to the super serious stuckup characters, and he's a strong NPC to boot. His stats aren't amazing but illusionist/thief is an excellent utility combo. For smaller parties I like to take Jan and either Edwin or Neera (if you can stand her god awful voice acting). That covers both thief skills and arcane casting very nicely! Add a divine caster and a warrior and that's typically the core of my 4-5 man parties.
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What stats and proficiency points should I aim for with a Cleric/Ranger multi? Also, I take it that Dragons or Demons are the best racial enemies? This is in BGII:EE.cheesetriangles posted:I am using the tweak so npc's never fight with each other so the field is wide open. Could you please link it? Mystic Stylez fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Dec 29, 2013 |
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VisAbsoluta posted:What stats and proficiency points should I aim for with a Cleric/Ranger multi? Also, I take it that Dragons or Demons are the best racial enemies? This is in BGII:EE. Str/dex/wis as high as you can get them, 16 or 18 con*, 11+ int. 2 or 3 points in two-weapon style, points in flail and warhammer. Demon, vampire, and beholder are all enemy types that are difficult enough to merit the bonus without being super few in number like dragons. *I don't remember if rangers benefit from having 18 con like fighters do, but they might.
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I hate this, i restarted since apparently i doled out my stat points all wrong for a fighter/mage. So i am walking to the friendly arm inn, and of course i get this:   I don't recall this ever being this frustrating.
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UberJumper posted:I hate this, i restarted since apparently i doled out my stat points all wrong for a fighter/mage. Nah, that's pretty par for course, the first chapter or three of BG1 is about avoiding getting your poo poo pushed in by random enemies, wildlife, a stiff breeze, and the game developers. Once you learn the tricks it's not so bad, but the initial run can be pretty rough. The easiest things to remember, have someone cast sleep as necessary, it's way overpowered, and give everyone a ranged weapon, distance is key.
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Yeah I've had that happen a few times. It's even worse if you have SCS because some of them will be the Black Talon mercs. Pretty much just immediately jam the reload button.
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Captain Oblivious posted:It is kind of comical the extent to which BG2 does not accommodate an evil PC in the least. Even the rare quest with an alternate evil path like Trademeet pretty much goes "gently caress you you did it wrong have a reduced reward. Do it right next time". Unbiased quest rewards Several quests in BG2 have branches where one choice can generally be considered good and the other evil. A recurring theme is that rewards for the evil branch are consistently lower than the reward for the good branch. This component rectifies this mistreatment of the mistreating by increasing the rewards for the evil quest branches to be comparable to those obtained on the good branch. Table 5 summarises which quests are affected and how the evil rewards are altered. Note that, for the sake of brevity, only those rewards that are changed are listed. Table 5: Table of old and new rewards for evil quest paths juxtaposed with rewards for good quest paths. pre:
Quest Evil (old) Evil (new) Good
Advance to chapter 3 Side with Bodhi Side with the Shadow Thieves
36,750 quest xp 45,000 quest xp 45,000 quest xp
Recover the Silver Use the eggs as currency Tell the demon to shove off
Dragon's eggs and return the eggs
25,000 quest xp 99,500 quest xp 103,500 quest xp
Animal trouble in Poison the grove Challenge and defeat Faldorn
Trademeet 0 xp 37,500 quest xp 18,000 quest xp
2,000 gold 3,000 gold 2,000 gold
Shield of Harmony +2 Jade Hound figurine Potential to become the
5 Blessed Bolts Heroes of Trademeet
Journey to the Steal Garren's deed Rescue Garren's child
Windspear Hills 40,500 quest xp 44,500 quest xp 44,500 quest xp
Free Hendak Kill Hendak Free Hendak
and the slaves 0 xp 25,750 quest xp 48,750 xp
Reward for clearing out
the slaver stockade
Find the kidnappers Ransom Elgea Release Elgea
who buried Tirdir 0 xp 15,000 xp 16,750 xp
Betrayal at the Kill Errard Kill Kiser
gates 5,000 (quest) xp 7,000 (quest) xp 7,000 (quest) xp
In the interactions with the Lesser Demon Lord, telling him to bug off or bartering the eggs always result in experience rewards. Previously it was possible to not receive any experience on certain dialogue branches. It becomes possible to to obtain the fake dragon eggs even if you kill Solaufein. It becomes possible to ask the Lesser Demon Lord for wealth without getting fiery death as your reward. A small experience reward is introduced for being the law-abiding sort and turning in mrs. Cragmoon. Killing Viekang in Saradush becomes a slightly more rewarding alternative than it used to be.
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Is aTweaks the name of the mod, or is this somewhere in the BG2 Tweak Pack? Regardless, unbiased quest rewards sounds like what I want. Edit: Huh, I don't see this component at all in the aTweaks read me. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Dec 29, 2013 |
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The Spellhold Studios server version of the readme is for a very old version. You can get to the newest version from the mod forum. The mod itself is up-to-date, too, so you can download it and read the readme that way.
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John McCain posted:The Spellhold Studios server version of the readme is for a very old version. You can get to the newest version from the mod forum. The mod itself is up-to-date, too, so you can download it and read the readme that way. Oh, well then. 
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VisAbsoluta posted:Could you please link it? It's mixed in with all the other mods in the Tweak Pack. I used the lvl 1 NPC mod this time so I could take the characters I wanted for dialogue and make them into whatever I wanted. PC/Jan/Mazzy/Viconia/Korgan/Neera at first, then dumped Neera out because she apparently doesn't interact with anyone except the PC at any time ever. Replaced her with Minsc and I can't imagine a more fun party. Jan trolls everyone constantly and they pretty much interact with each other in awesome ways
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Is there any word on a patch for BG2EE to fix some of the major issues it has? Such as not being able to save or rest if you have any source of damage that might effect you such as Berserker Rage or Spirit Armor. Or the fact that Slayer is completely broken and you can only use it once?
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Corvinus posted:Minsc is a rather limited one-trick pony, but Jan plays off the other characters better. quote:Jan: Hmm. You know, this all reminds me of my dear old mother. Did I ever tell you of my mother, Valygar?
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cheesetriangles posted:Is there any word on a patch for BG2EE to fix some of the major issues it has? Such as not being able to save or rest if you have any source of damage that might effect you such as Berserker Rage or Spirit Armor. Or the fact that Slayer is completely broken and you can only use it once? There's a fix for that rest bug. I don't remember what it is, but I remember that infuriating me in my first game and I somehow fixed it because it doesn't happen to me anymore. This doesn't really help all that much, but at least now you know if you Google enough you can find the answer  ^^^ Jan and Mazzy are awesome too when she just starts screaming SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UPPPPP at him. I can't believe people don't like him
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Sleep of Bronze posted:aTweaks for all your needs. Like, all of them. Install this mod now. Iggles fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Dec 29, 2013 |
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Iggles posted:I agree with the aims of the mod but these two feel excessive. Why would Evil Trademeet be so much more beneficial than Good now? Also, I think it's fair that Bodhi gives you less experience as you get better items doing her path - and of course she's winning so you're picking the easier path. Well, you don't get the XP from killing Faldorn, so that might even it up some.
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I thought you stil fought Faldorn after poisoning the grove after she loses her superpowers? It might not be for the same xp as the challenge though? I'm playing a solo evil jester now so I'll report back 
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The good path for Trademeet has the Heroes of Trademeet note for a reason. There's gold, XP and rep gains in the followup quests for you too, which the evil route locks you out of completely. And statues of yourself are cool, yo.
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Sleep of Bronze posted:The good path for Trademeet has the Heroes of Trademeet note for a reason. There's gold, XP and rep gains in the followup quests for you too, which the evil route locks you out of completely. And statues of yourself are cool, yo. even evil guys should think the statues are cool
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I'm wondering, is there any way to decide who talks to Hiepherus when you arrive in Kuldahar in IWD2? I was wondering why I couldn't do the old bluff on him until I realized it's probably because it requires the actual Bluff skill (which the first walkthrough I checked agrees on), but the game insists on making my 3 Cha Cleric with probably negative Bluff skills talk to him. Re-arranging the party seems to have no effect on this. Surely there must be SOME way?
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