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Black Widow and Hawkeye are doing around the same level of stuff they do in the books. A big problem of Avengers is that a lot of character in the movie hinges entirely on knowing the (comic) characters already. If it was drawing entirely from the movies, it would be fine as a sequel, but instead it's like "here's the part where Captain America starts leading people because you know he's supposed to be a leader from the comics," or "here's where Thor fights Hulk because this has happened in the comics a lot" as opposed to something that should organically occur from the plot of the movie(s).
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Darko posted:Black Widow and Hawkeye are doing around the same level of stuff they do in the books. Yeah. From the movies only, there's nothing to identify Cap as a tactical genius. But from the comics, sure. Same thing goes for Batman. There's nothing shown in the movies that would tell us why Batman is "The world's greatest detective". But the comics provide a wealth of references.
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Dec 31, 2013 16:18
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Darko posted:Black Widow and Hawkeye are doing around the same level of stuff they do in the books. Thor going to handle the Hulk makes sense in the movie because power wise Thor is the only one who can hang with him.
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Dec 31, 2013 16:20
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Dexo posted:Thor going to handle the Hulk makes sense in the movie because power wise Thor is the only one who can hang with him. TOP TRUMPS!
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Dec 31, 2013 16:32
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Dexo posted:Thor going to handle the Hulk makes sense in the movie because power wise Thor is the only one who can hang with him. How is that demonstrated and how does the movie explain that? We know from Thor that he's strong as gently caress. We know the Hulk is strong as gently caress. But Iron Man fought Thor well enough, why couldn't he?
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Dec 31, 2013 16:39
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redshirt posted:Where does Cap gain his tactical genius? From the super solider serum? In The First Avenger, you can see a diagram/sketch he did of some kind of strategy or military movement in his journal. It's during the scene where he's sketching a monkey, when he meets Peggy after being deployed overseas. I think that was basically a hint that he had studied warfare and whatnot before even getting juiced.
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Dec 31, 2013 16:44
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Gatts posted:How is that demonstrated and how does the movie explain that? We know from Thor that he's strong as gently caress. We know the Hulk is strong as gently caress. But Iron Man fought Thor well enough, why couldn't he? Iron Man is busy using his technological prowess to save the Helicarrier, something only he could do. So at that point, occupying the Hulk is something only Thor can do.
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Dec 31, 2013 18:14
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Travis343 posted:Iron Man is busy using his technological prowess to save the Helicarrier, something only he could do. So at that point, occupying the Hulk is something only Thor can do. Captain America is an ever better version of Blonsky, who handled himself against the Hulk pretty well. TOP TRUMPS!
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Dec 31, 2013 18:19
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Dexo posted:Thor going to handle the Hulk makes sense in the movie because power wise Thor is the only one who can hang with him. That's not what I meant. I'm referring to, like, something earlier in the movie demonstrating a kind of dialogue between the two, so they organically would go after each other. I don't even think Banner said a line to Thor in the entire movie. ie. Organically, given the movie itself, Tony constantly poking at Banner would bring out a "oh you got what you wished for" scene, but, instead, Thor ends up taking him because he's "supposed" to because "two strongest and they fight in the comics and it's what everyone wants to see."
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Dec 31, 2013 18:20
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PriorMarcus posted:Captain America is an ever better version of Blonsky, who handled himself against the Hulk pretty well. I like how the Hulk kicked him into a tree and broke every bone in his body.
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Dec 31, 2013 18:20
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PriorMarcus posted:Captain America is an ever better version of Blonsky, who handled himself against the Hulk pretty well. As someone else said, that Blonsky thing made me look forward to Captain America...and is still a much better look at Cap type powers than anything in any movie thusfar with Cap. Hopefully, Winter Soldier will have similar displays.
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Dec 31, 2013 18:21
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Travis343 posted:I like how the Hulk kicked him into a tree and broke every bone in his body. POWER LEVEL 10 vs. POWER LEVEL 50. TOP TRUMPS!
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Dec 31, 2013 18:22
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Darko posted:That's not what I meant. I'm referring to, like, something earlier in the movie demonstrating a kind of dialogue between the two, so they organically would go after each other. I don't even think Banner said a line to Thor in the entire movie. ie. Organically, given the movie itself, Tony constantly poking at Banner would bring out a "oh you got what you wished for" scene, but, instead, Thor ends up taking him because he's "supposed" to because "two strongest and they fight in the comics and it's what everyone wants to see." Does Thor even know who the Hulk is when they're fighting on the helicarrier? Like, is he told at some point that the giant green monster is that scientist guy Tony was working with?
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Dec 31, 2013 18:23
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Sir Kodiak posted:Does Thor even know who the Hulk is when they're fighting on the helicarrier? Like, is he told at some point that the giant green monster is that scientist guy Tony was working with? Thor calls him Banner as they're fighting, I'm pretty sure.
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Dec 31, 2013 18:24
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soapgish posted:Thor calls him Banner as they're fighting, I'm pretty sure. This is correct, the exact line is; "You do not wish to fight me Banner, my special move is more powerful than yours and only three more critical hits will allow me to use it!"
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Dec 31, 2013 18:26
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soapgish posted:Thor calls him Banner as they're fighting, I'm pretty sure. Hes probably been briefed on him, but he wouldn't know more than "hes really strong."
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Dec 31, 2013 18:45
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This discussion about Cap reminded of one of my biggest problems with the Chitauri invasion. What the gently caress were they doing inside a building, preparing to kill a random bunch of unarmed civilians? What was the plan for the invasion apart from blow poo poo up, look vaguely menacing and get beaten up by the Avengers?
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Dec 31, 2013 19:01
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Away all Goats posted:The Chitauri with the bomb was next to the balcony railing looking down at the civilians. The next scene shows him pull out the bomb and activate it when Cap jumps in through the window and throws his shield. If the bomb was intended for the Avengers he probably would have been at the window, and seen Cap coming in. I thought it was pretty obvious they intended to drop the bomb down into the huddled mass of civilians. It's obvious right up until you think about what his possible motivation could be to throw a bomb at a bunch of cowering people who he is there to subjugate and realize that there is none. For all we know he got caught in the middle of doing the Joker's trick from The Dark Knight and setting up grenades to keep the hostages from acting up.
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Dec 31, 2013 19:06
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It was basically a terrorist attack mixed with an actual invasion. Dude was gonna toss a bomb into a huge crowd of civilians, just like all the other Chitauri blowing random things up and killing random people.
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Dec 31, 2013 19:08
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I don't remember the movie all that great, apparently. Do we actually see the Chitauri shoot and kill someone who isn't an armed combatant?
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Dec 31, 2013 19:09
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Sir Kodiak posted:I don't remember the movie all that great, apparently. Do we actually see the Chitauri shoot and kill someone who isn't an armed combatant? I believe it's implied but not shown. Anyway, a bunch of giant buildings fall over this would have killed large amounts of people.
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Dec 31, 2013 19:50
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Sir Kodiak posted:It's obvious right up until you think about what his possible motivation could be to throw a bomb at a bunch of cowering people who he is there to subjugate and realize that there is none. For all we know he got caught in the middle of doing the Joker's trick from The Dark Knight and setting up grenades to keep the hostages from acting up. I don't see how they need a possible motivation other than they are literally comic book (movie) villians and therefore do evil things for the sake of being evil. There was even a deleted scene where one of the Chitauri kicks a puppy
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Dec 31, 2013 21:00
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Away all Goats posted:I don't see how they need a possible motivation other than they are literally comic book (movie) villians and therefore do evil things for the sake of being evil. There was even a deleted scene where one of the Chitauri kicks a puppy Because a good movie gives their villains motivation because if someone wanted to make a lovely comic book, ideally they'd make a lovely comic book.
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Dec 31, 2013 21:05
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Away all Goats posted:I don't see how they need a possible motivation other than they are literally comic book (movie) villians and therefore do evil things for the sake of being evil. There was even a deleted scene where one of the Chitauri kicks a puppy That would be fine – well, lousy, but at least an explanation – if it were established anywhere within the movie.
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Dec 31, 2013 21:05
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Yoshifan823 posted:Because a good movie gives their villains motivation because if someone wanted to make a lovely comic book, ideally they'd make a lovely comic book. They have motivation though: They want to kill all the humans and take over the planet. So they're you know...killing all the humans.
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Dec 31, 2013 21:57
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TheJoker138 posted:They have motivation though: They want to kill all the humans and take over the planet. So they're you know...killing all the humans. Well, no. Loki is clear that humanity is going to be ruled by him, not exterminated. Where are you getting this from?
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Sir Kodiak posted:Well, no. Loki is clear that humanity is going to be ruled by him, not exterminated. Where are you getting this from? From the fact that the alien leader clearly doesn't give a gently caress what Loki wants from their scene together and then the Chitauri pour out of space shooting everyone and everything they see, including a ton of buildings full of civilians. At the very least they're trying to show superiority via killing a ton of people.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Because a good movie gives their villains motivation because if someone wanted to make a lovely comic book, ideally they'd make a lovely comic book. The Chitauri aren't villains, they are tools of the villains. Loki says he wants to rule, but it seems more like he is trying to unite the Avengers and weasel out of his deal with Thanos, whose motivation has not yet been revealed.
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First Picture from Guardians of the Galaxy. http://i.imgur.com/QPghEs2.jpg lomzus fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Dec 31, 2013 |
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Dec 31, 2013 23:34
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lomzus posted:First Picture from Guardians of the Galaxy. I didn't think Zoe could get as big as she is in that photo. 
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Jan 1, 2014 00:27
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Here's how the new Cap helmet look from the side.
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Jan 1, 2014 00:37
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Yikes. Yeah I can't really understand why he even needs a helmet. His identity is totally public. I guess it's to satisfy comic book sperg lords, whom no movie should ever cater to.
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Bung Harmer posted:Yikes. Yeah I can't really understand why he even needs a helmet. His identity is totally public. I guess it's to satisfy comic book sperg lords, whom no movie should ever cater to. Probably to protect his head, like actual soldiers? Sure, he's super, but getting shot in the head would still kill him.
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Jan 1, 2014 01:56
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We live in a world where Batman's cowl exist and no one bats an eye.
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Jan 1, 2014 02:01
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On second thought, if they wanted to cater to comic nerds, that costume shouldn't have the helmet since the outfit it's based on does not have one.
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Jan 1, 2014 02:04
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Cap's a man out of time. I think it's good to have pieces of the costume that evoke his original era.
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Jan 1, 2014 02:04
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Can you smell what The Rock is cooking with Warner Bros and DC Comics? https://twitter.com/TheRock/status/418130830171852800
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Jan 1, 2014 02:09
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Oh god if he's in MOS 2 that will be the best thing to happen to comic movies ever.
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Jan 1, 2014 02:11
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Bung Harmer posted:Oh god if he's in MOS 2 that will be the best thing to happen to comic movies ever. They'll just go ahead and add another character to the mix for him. He's totally going to be Jimmy Olsen.
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The MSJ posted:Here's how the new Cap helmet look from the side. I think the helmet, and the costume as a whole, looks pretty good. For you helmet haters it looks like Cap won't always be in this outfit as evidenced by the trailers. Also loving that GotG pic.
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